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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by SaturnFX
For me, eating dog/cat is not about it being a pet. It is about them being carnivores. Unless we are dealing with ocean going animals, I just find eating predators repugnant.
I have tried a few predatory type animals before. I don't like them, typically. I also don't like anything from the swamp. So things like muskrat, or any other swamp food, is just out of my range. I have yet to taste a swamp creature that didn't taste like the term "swamp creature". Since I don't eat that stuff, it is a small club.edit on 2-7-2013 by bigfatfurrytexan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dianec
That isn't suffering in my opinion. That's killing to feed their people and doing it both in the most efficiemt way possible. Anything may suffer when it dies! Do you have any idea of the comparison in here. Why don't you do some research on the other end of things in here.
Wild Horse and Burro Quick Facts
Contact: Tom Gorey, BLM Public Affairs (202-912-7420)
Updated as of June 21, 2013
Wild Horse and Burro Population
The Bureau of Land Management estimates that approximately 37,300 wild horses and burros (about 31,500 horses and 5,800 burros) are roaming on BLM-managed rangelands in 10 Western states, based on the latest data available, compiled as of February 29, 2012.
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Originally posted by Montana
Originally posted by Dianec
That isn't suffering in my opinion. That's killing to feed their people and doing it both in the most efficiemt way possible. Anything may suffer when it dies! Do you have any idea of the comparison in here. Why don't you do some research on the other end of things in here.
Driving hundreds of buffalo off a cliff in order to butcher and save at most a couple of dozen is certainly efficient! About as wasteful as it gets, but efficient. But those glorious and honorable "Native Americans" wouldn't do anything like that, would they?
I have done all the research I need, seeing as how I grew up on a family farm. And owned horses. I KNOW what I am talking about because I LIVED it! Go try to blow smoke up someone else's kilt!
Originally posted by Montana
Driving hundreds of buffalo off a cliff in order to butcher and save at most a couple of dozen is certainly efficient! About as wasteful as it gets, but efficient. But those glorious and honorable "Native Americans" wouldn't do anything like that, would they?
I have done all the research I need, seeing as how I grew up on a family farm. And owned horses. I KNOW what I am talking about because I LIVED it! Go try to blow smoke up someone else's kilt!
Originally posted by Grimpachi
You still haven’t realized have you even though it has been said multiple times.
HORSES IN THE US ARE NOT NATIVE. The Americas are not their original natural habitat. However we still have plenty in the US alone we have more than any other nation.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
So in your mind 37.000 wild horses and nearly 9.5 million pet hoses in just the US is endangered.
I am sorry but I think you lack the basic understanding of the term endangered. And you try to make a comment about talking of things you know nothing of.
Care to please show us more of your ignorance pretty please?...
BTW, as an example of what I am talking about you do know that domesticated cats are a selection made by humans right?... So, if all wild the lions, tigers and other similar species were to die off or were driven into extinction eventually all we will have left are "domesticated cats"..
Originally posted by Grimpachi
I will show you yours.
You said you believed horses were endangered species then I proved you wrong in fact you even helped me prove you wrong with your next post.
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
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Anyway, this seems to be Obama's way, and his administration's way to deal with the wild Mustangs that have been deprived of their freedoms for at least almost 2 decades, and are being kept in pens by the government.
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
BTW house cats and tigers are sister species but lions, leopards and jaguars are more closely related to each other.
Lions and Tigers are in a different subfamily, Pantherine, the housecat is in Feline, along with the other species.edit on 3-7-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)
Lions (Panthera leo) are the largest of all African cats. They are the second largest cat species worldwide, smaller than only the tiger. Lions range in color from nearly white to tawny yellow, ash brown, ochre, and deep orange-brown. They have a tuft of dark fur at the tip of their tail.
Lions are unique among cats in that they are the only species that forms social groups. All other cat species are solitary hunters.
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Cats (Felidae) are a diverse group of carnivores that includes domestic cats, lions, tigers, ocelots, jaguars, caracals, leopards, mountain lions, lynx and many other groups of cats. Cats are graceful, agile predators that have acute eyesight, muscular bodies and a sharp set of teeth.
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Felidae, the cat family, which includes lions, tigers and panthers
Felinae, the subfamily of Felidae that includes domestic cats and smaller wild cats
Felidae is the biological family of the cats; a member of this family is called a felid. The most familiar felid is the domestic cat, which first became associated with humans about 10,000 years ago; but the family includes all other wild cats, including the big cats.
Extant felids belong to one of two subfamilies: Pantherinae (which includes the tiger, the lion, the jaguar, and the leopard), and Felinae (which includes the cougar, the cheetah, the lynxes, the ocelot, and the domestic cat).
The first felids emerged during the Oligocene, about 25 million years ago. In prehistoric times, a third subfamily, known as Machairodontinae, included the "saber-toothed cats", such as the well known Smilodon. Other superficially cat-like mammals, such as the marsupial sabertooth Thylacosmilus or the Nimravidae, are not included in Felidae despite superficial similarities.
Felinae is a subfamily of the family Felidae, which includes the genera and species listed below. Most are small to medium-sized cats, although the group does include some larger animals, such as the cougar and cheetah. The earliest records of the Felinae are ascribed to Felis attica from the late Miocene, 9 million years ago (Mya), of western Eurasia.[2]
Originally posted by Raist
You are confusing horses with humans because you keep bringing up "if we allow horses to be eaten we should allow cannibalism according to your logic". You are equating horses to humans in that manner. You are bringing up cannibalism when it has not a thing to do with eating horse meat. You are bringing up parents killing sick children when it has nothing to do with eating horse meat.
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Originally posted by Grimpachi
You see the word CAT and think they are the same.
OMG I do not know if I can lower my thinking to your level long enough to explain this so you can understand.
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Originally posted by Raist
Who said anything about abusing horse either wild or farmed? You are seeing something in my posts that is clearly not there.
Originally posted by Raist
There is no reason horses should not be raised for food. Throughout history horses have been nothing more than a work animal used to keep people alive either in battle or for farming. In the times of the great depression and even in other events it was horse meat that helped some to survive. I see no reason any animal cannot be used for food so long as it is not treated with cruelty.
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Originally posted by Raist
You still have failed to answer my questions, you continue to ignore them.
What makes eating horse immoral? How do you feel about eating beef knowing that cattle have best friends and are stressed when they are not with their best friends? How is eating horse more immoral than eating any other farmed animal?
Thanks
Raist
Originally posted by Grimpachi
You are trying to lecture on context after all the stuff you have been saying. Really?????
Originally posted by Grimpachi
I am off to bed before you drag me down to your level.