Psychosis and Enlightenment (The Truth)

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
reply to post by jheherrin

 

That's my point, it isn't fun and i only have one life, im not going to fill it with a miserable reality.. there is enough beauty in this life to inspire me manyfold..

HAHA so profound my dad once told me its your cavity fill it with what you want .... candy or cement

that hit home big time thank you

reply to post by GRS1234


Awakening brings ultimate sorrow.
Enlightenment is choosing to be happy in spite of it,
because you know depression only disables you.
Like a great man once said:
"The world's not nice."

I think the no.1 reason what makes a pleasant waking up or unpleasant waking up is the people around you and their reactions to the change. It's the world view they also belong to, of how society is and associating everything good with that image while growing up.

But then the conflicting information surfaces and at some point is too much to deny. Then the world becomes bad and must be saved afterall everything good depends on it and if the world can't be saved this good feeling might never return, it contains the loved ones, everything. It's the latter that drives people insane, if one can see it's only about the world view which must change and let go of the bad things while realizing there are still lights out there which might not have been seen and it's pointless to try and save everyone is when the awakening can become more pleasant. The speed of the realization is also what can make it difficult, no doubt thanks partly to modern technology, taking things slower to refute new truths on the inside can make a difference.

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The thing with an awakening of the consciousness is that it lets you glimpse a reality of pure bliss, peace, happiness, love, compassion.. all the good things that make us humans.

When it's gone you miss it.. much like i did, however my search for answers led me to Kundalini and that filled the void.. the only difference is it isn't instant like enlightenment or psychosis it is however a discipline and can lead to the same levels of euphoria if done the right way.

Keep your spirits up and stay positive and be open to everyone and everything.. fear is all you have to overcome.

Originally posted by LAkadian
Absolutely. The ancient egyptians used to believe we had 260 senses, not 5. Now why would they think that? Lots of different pathways get pried open when a person awakens, and those pathways are the only way you can process the unconscious and highest intuition. if you have no basis of understanding what's happening, you're gonna freak out and fight it, and try to explain it with bits and pieces from your old worldview, and it won't work.
You have to understand how big you are for it to make any bit of sense.

Indeed. I believe that many of the ancient mystery schools and their traditions which are openly practiced in secret societies are directly tied to the tree of life and the 260 senses..

I'm sure i read in the past that a school of ancient shriners had 260 degrees to their craft..

It all however leads to the same thing if done with sincerity of heart..

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
I think the no.1 reason what makes a pleasant waking up or unpleasant waking up is the people around you and their reactions to the change. It's the world view they also belong to, of how society is and associating everything good with that image while growing up.

But then the conflicting information surfaces and at some point is too much to deny. Then the world becomes bad and must be saved afterall everything good depends on it and if the world can't be saved this good feeling might never return, it contains the loved ones, everything. It's the latter that drives people insane, if one can see it's only about the world view which must change and let go of the bad things while realizing there are still lights out there which might not have been seen and it's pointless to try and save everyone is when the awakening can become more pleasant. The speed of the realization is also what can make it difficult, no doubt thanks partly to modern technology, taking things slower to refute new truths on the inside can make a difference.

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To some degree i agree with you..

I think we all want to save the world after becoming enlightened or awakening. Its the profundity of the experience which makes it one you need to share. It's only when you come down from the high that depression can set in.. for me it took a while but i elevated myself, mainly because i realized i couldn't in fact save the world.. i could however effect my community with positive change and that's what i do now..

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
reply to post by GRS1234

 

The thing with an awakening of the consciousness is that it lets you glimpse a reality of pure bliss, peace, happiness, love, compassion.. all the good things that make us humans.

When it's gone you miss it..

Before awakening life is rubbish, during awakening life is delicious and when it seems to go away - life is horrendous because you experienced the glory but can't seem to get it back. You know it is there but where?

Why do you call yourself Blavatskychannel? Do you honestly believe you're channeling Blavatsky? Do you even understand her work?

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

Originally posted by MegaSpace
One can loose their minds during enlightment once they leak certain information, say what they are seeing or experiencing to others who may not understand. Certain knowledge isn't meant to be leaked, it weakens you & the universe punishes you for interfering with others life paths. That is why id be very careful with people who claim enlightenment as ive said a few times on other topics. Not only that im concerned for others as not too loose their minds in the process.

If humanity where not supposed to push for en-lighten-ment at this stage of evolution then why dump so many older ones here at this age and have them run up the hill again in a lifetime? You cannot turn on the radio for 30 minutes now days without hearing one of the shining ones/radio active/awoken/on fire singing one tune or another about their situation.

Hidden in plain sight but a overwhelming overload of information for the ones who can understand the lyrics. The new age is already here but the change is gradual.

A mind lost can be a mind found again.

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, 9-12

Who did the OP believe himself to be? The messiah.

 The Greek word anomia basically may mean either "no law" or "against law." but has a much deeper sense of iniquity and gross injustice. Hence, it means "anarchy" or "rebellion". It is simply the refusal of all rule, the throwing off of all divine restraint. Iniquity. Gross injustice. The assertion of man's will in defiance of God's. Sin is this, this was the iniquity found in ....man.

We see mind altering practices being pushed world over - in all religions, attempting to gain ground in our schools, in medicine, in psychiatry, in stress and relaxation....it is the growing public rebellion of man in the last days of this age. It is not only the public acceptance of such practices, but it is the method which is united Catholicism with all other religions - mysticism and it's occult practices. We were warned - be no partakers of such activities and we were warned - guard your mind.

Lawlessness is sin, but it is more - it is man at his core rejecting rule by God for rule by self...declaring oneself god.
It's evident everywhere. Man has a deep darkness and an innate inquity, such an inquity that he'd even be convinced that he is god. Our minds have ingested poison from subliminals, and when you "go within", it's exactly what you'll find - all that subliminally implanted suggestions. There is a reason why mass media coincides with the end of the millennium. A large part of scripture is about the mind and how our perceptions are easily manipulated by man - without us even knowing that others have the ability to change our perceptions of things very easily.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
reply to post by GRS1234

 

The thing with an awakening of the consciousness is that it lets you glimpse a reality of pure bliss, peace, happiness, love, compassion.. all the good things that make us humans.

When it's gone you miss it..

Before awakening life is rubbish, during awakening life is delicious and when it seems to go away - life is horrendous because you experienced the glory but can't seem to get it back. You know it is there but where?

or chasing the dragon?

Originally posted by Initiate
Why do you call yourself Blavatskychannel? Do you honestly believe you're channeling Blavatsky? Do you even understand her work?

It's just a name, nothing in it so please don't read into it
no im not channeling anyone..
yes i know a bit about her work..

Not that it has anything to do with the post but if it alleviates your curiosity im glad to be of assistance

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very interesting point and something i battled with during my psychosis. I have always been heavily into religion and not just biblical. I have studied many religious philosophies, scriptures, systems of beliefs, traditions and values..

There were time i was angry at god and times where i felt deeply connected to him/her/it..

Ultimately through my journey of spiritually questioning my existence i battled myself on many levels but in the end i came out of it quite a positive, loving and uplifting person.. so it can't be all that bad... i mean diving into the occult!

Now im able to separate or detach as i please, keep it all at arms length or delve in when i need some intellectual stimulus..

I think any introspective activity is good as long as it dont consume you. Also if you read the bible astrologically you will realize that it is in many respects a play on the planets and astrology.. and Chirst made many references to himself being involved in the occult during his transformation from boy to man..

It's all a matter of perspective and relativity..

Originally posted by fotsyfots

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
reply to post by GRS1234

 

The thing with an awakening of the consciousness is that it lets you glimpse a reality of pure bliss, peace, happiness, love, compassion.. all the good things that make us humans.

When it's gone you miss it..

Before awakening life is rubbish, during awakening life is delicious and when it seems to go away - life is horrendous because you experienced the glory but can't seem to get it back. You know it is there but where?

or chasing the dragon?

addiction..

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

It's all a matter of perspective and relativity..

which is the double edged sword

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
I think the no.1 reason what makes a pleasant waking up or unpleasant waking up is the people around you and their reactions to the change. It's the world view they also belong to, of how society is and associating everything good with that image while growing up.

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If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters—[yes] and even his own life also—he cannot be My disciple Luke 14:26

you got the power to build a wall in relation to god... im sorry but this is where im at.... screw them all!.... because before i had the power of tflowing with the current. They played a big part in my life and they manipulated the current that i "flowed" with because i was just a salmon in a river heading for a waterfall. now i am a bird in the sky flying aginst the wind.... take that fish fighting the current to that bird fighting the wind... which do you think has more maneuverability? within the mind of course.....the proof is in the puddin

I wonder if this massiah complex thing is the return of Christ prophacey playing out, perhaps it's some sort of programming through bible teaching in school.
Personally, I believe it's more than just in the mind, Something infiltrating the collective conciousness but only manifesting through the few....

I can relate, I miss it too. It was my episode that brought me here though my journeys, but it came out of nowhere.
I thought I was Jesus for only 5 mins or so, but the euphoria lasted for months. much of my "crazy" ideas and realisations are documented on ats.

This one was my favourite. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a interesting read, comical at times, about one mans expeirience....

Imagine having a kundalini awakening and having the gift of literally seeing the connection of all human beings, then being diagnosed as psychotic. That's what happened to this man after his spiritual awakening!

In 1981 I was sitting in meditation when, just for an instant, a bolt of lightning flashed through my mind. I began acting so unlike my normal self that a friend brought me to a hospital, afraid I was going crazy. Though I was let out of that hospital after three days, the experiences that began to unfold were so overwhelming that I was hospitalized a number of other times during that first year. I was diagnosed as having had a severe psychotic break and was told that I had a chemical imbalance and had manic-depressive illness. I was put on lithium, and at times, haldol (an anti-psychotic). I was told I would have to live with my illness for the rest of my life.

Read more here....

www.in5d.com...

a reply to: BlavatskyChannel

Nail on the head, ive been studying all my life trying to figure out what i am and you have described exactly how i have felt my life. The Law Of One (Wanderers) and Quantum Physics (Single Avatar Solution) are the things closest to explaining what "I" am. But i have lots of empathy and i realized couple years ago that i Cant be the only one that feels this way. I guess i was right. But ive always felt this way, its never left me alone. I hate everyone and im a hermit because of it. This world dosent deserve to be saved. Although i am a nobody, im not anyone special that can save them but like i said ive always felt this way. I dont sleep much, i just sit here in my room rambling on about everything there is to think about. My head, the "I" has never left me alone. And i thought well i must have this christ consciousness in me BUT im tired of trying to help guide these sheep. I felt/feel more like their antichrist, ide rather see this world burn. New beggining. But deep inside i just cant help feel like im going to save them all anyways. I have never known what to do with myself. Although i feel only time will tell. I feel that all the crap decisions ive made in my life are just a catalyst for growth to be prepared for a later time in life. But now like i mentioned im just a hermit i just go out to go to work. I dont talk to anyone i just do as im told and come home and continue trying to control my head... Dont know where to go from here now, i was just looking around and figured i should look up my phsycosis or at least thats what ive been diagnosed with after a couple of suicide attempts but as i said before only time will tell what to do i suppose. That and my Thelema (Free Will) will pave the way... i Hope. I just want to end already. This has been exhausting, if im supposed to die for them so be it, just wish i dident have to wait anymore. I want to turn this off already. Since i was in 2nd grade i was ready to end it all. That was the first time they put me into a psychiatric ward for trying to commit suicide. That is actually the only proof i have that im telling the truth, not that i give a # if anyone believes me tho. But being that young with a rambling "I" made me ask too many questions that i wanted answerd and still do. But at the time i was a sponge as all children are and i was in catholic school and believed Yaweh was my creator so i wanted to kill myself just to reach the pearly gates just to pop the question "What Am I?" But i always knew something wasent right, so i just kept searching for answers and they have led me thru all Faiths and Messiahs. But still i have no agenda. I still dont know what to do with myself after finnaly finding the information that i needed... Or felt i needed. Well hope you get to this whoever you are (Extended Self), and at least give me some type of feedback good or bad. 33

a reply to: BlavatskyChannel

I agree with you OP, I had the messiah complex during one of my psychotic episodes too and it's a unique and empowering experience. I think psychosis opens up our mind giving us more access to deeper parts of our minds making us capable of things we could only dream of. There is a strong link between psychosis and shamanism, I wish I could find a shaman to guide me through the psychosis instead of being medicated for it. I feel like I'm not fulfilling my purpose by being medicated, that I need to come out the other side of psychosis into full blown awakening with control over it.

There's so many other things I experienced a lot of them hard to describe but to give you an example things like telepathy, synchronicity, tantra, time dilation, weather control, street light interference... the list just goes on. The most common thing people experience is thought broadcast (they believe others can hear their thoughts) and receiving messages from the TV/radio and also hearing voices. Doctors pretty much just class it all as delusional thinking and I must admit some of it is delusional although will seem real to you at the time, but some of it is just such a unique experience you have one of those 'wow' moments where you are in awe of what you just did. Words just don't do it justice unless you've experienced it yourself then you really don't know what you're talking about.

So Psychosis is a part of the dream..or otherwise Dark Night of the Soul..people learn about themselves..and Other people.in the vicinity of the Universe..and that therefore has them learn about the Universe and how they will apply themselves within..and about it and on top it..But it is a begining of coming to terms with your creative side..and the deeper the Dark Night of the Soul..or otherwise Degree of Chaos from the Psychosis..is directly related to the potential you have..so the Greater and darker..or more scary and anxious the night of the Soul..the more that person honestly has to express and learn about as terms of potential..

I had a the Greatest Dark night of the Soul...even the animals would come up to me..I am in my 88% finished the cycle..and after words I am to become a Great Saint..like Jesus or the Buddha..but it is within your time cycle that it matters..for the full thrush..in and out of the comic time table of God..and the Whole Ark of the covenant that you have learned and be leaning on..this is the Greatness of the thing..that you can predict what you will be..and when it will happen.. So that this is true..in 4 years..when I am 35, and the degree that is within 8 years..all relate to Satan..and thus my mapping of Satan includes all facest of my inititiation..and that is the degree that I Talk to you now..it is ultimately worth it to get psychosis..because you learn to cure it as you go along your path..which is righteous in and of itself..

a reply to: jheherrin

Anyone that is pursuing a shamanic career or initiation in the mysteries jump down that rabbit hole exactly because they are explicitly about recognising ugly truths within themselves and in the World. This is all but a mystical premise, it's that important.
The inscription at the Apollo Temple of Delphi says it all.

Even Jung gets this right and he's more of a dabbler than anything. The general population has zero knowledge of spiritual evolution. They would find it elitist or immoral to even question the ideals of egalitarianism, try telling a liberal oppression is suffering and therefore karma. See they want the World to conform with their cosy beliefs and would probably attack such ideas. Their very raison d'être narrative of injustice would largely be dispelled. Yet reincarnation which is the doctrine taught by Avatars is largely the accepted esoteric model of occult belief systems, which in contrast to exoteric religion is more of a scientific tradition. And spiritual evolution just happens to be a direct consequence of this, you have to admit there's something more going on with a guy that manages to make people deify them, that performs miracles and have such a force of character that they actually create religions. Maybe we should acknowledge that something is going on here, I mean the World's religions are a direct consequence of this happening over and over again. Why aren't we correlating the content of our knowledge correctly? This is such an obvious one. Why aren't we looking at religion from a comparative perspective when Krishna and Jesus and Buddha and Laozi and all these guys teach the same teachings? We need a broader framework than Christianity if we're gonna deal with the available evidence.

So if a person is doing this to "feel good about life" they're doing it for all of the wrong reasons. That person would never make any progress. The vital talent to have is an intrinsic ability to put oneself out of one's context and the whole wider context of the consensus reality. That's someone that is presented with life and goes: "I'll see if I can figure this thing out".. and then he sort of does it, successfully by becoming one with god. And this evolution is more of a spectrum than "ordinary guy" + meditation = enlightenment. This takes a very long time. Someone may experience oneness but it doesn't make them a Buddha. You have to perform some incredibly complicated alchemical operations to make real progress. Read the stories and books about Padmasambhava and Yeshe Tsogyal by the latter, they describe the practices they perform. It takes most of her life to do this through rigorous practice and as far as I know they already were Buddhas.

Well, there's also a difference in being involved in shamanic type operations or other stuff and strictly pursuing spiritual evolution. The difference between a monk and a magician, although the two intersect to a considerable degree.

These traits that you describe though are probably very common, there must be myriad reasons for this but I have no patience to try and get into that.