Man Linked to Boston Bombing Suspect Was Unarmed When Shot in Violent Encounter With FBI, Officials

Originally posted by Tribunal
Is your lack of confidence of the Washington Post's honesty and competence that big?

My lack of confidence in ALL media outlets is that big, yes.

Edit - as proven by what has been seen in this thread.
1.We had an anonymous source saying that he was "unarmed".
2.We had an anonymous source saying that he had a sword.
Both cant be right. At least one news outlet must be wrong.

You only believe a statement when you can witness the official speak the words with your own eyes?

You didnt ask about belief.
You asked about when a statement is official.
My answer was that a statement is official when it is made by an official as a statement.

This is my opinion as a LEO.

If this was a legal, justified shooting and not an execution this is how I believe it may have went down.

The agents began questioning the guy. The process drags on and he gets angry. He flips the table over and makes a sudden movement towards a knife or a samurai sword or any weapon. The agent tells the guy not to pick it up. The guy refuses his lawful command and shoots the guy. The shots to the back of the head may be from the guy turning to grab the weapon. This may explain the claims of him not being armed.

You have to remember you don't have to be "armed" for a LEO to be justified in using deadly force. If I am performing an investigation and you get aggitated and try to grab a knife and don't stop when I tell you to I can shoot. LEO's do not have to wait for someone to shoot or stab them to use deadly force.

I wasn't there so I don't know what happened. Just a plausible scenario that has happened many times before. Thoughts?

reply to post by TorqueyThePig


and in your experience, is this not what a 'death by cop' type situation may be also. I just think he knew he was screwed, knew he was going away for life and why not..nothing to lose and anyone else involved is now protected since he cannot testify.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig


Yeah, except CAIR's executive director is stating that "senior" FBI sources have confirmed to them that the guy was shot all seven times in the head.

Does anyone else know where the injuries were located? Do they differ from this?

reply to post by alfa1

My lack of confidence in ALL media outlets is that big, yes.

Really? I'll remember that.

So you expect the Washington Post to simply make up a story about such a statement?

You didnt ask about belief. You asked about when a statement is official. My answer was that a statement is official when it is made by an official as a statement.

According to the article a statement was made by an official, so according to your latest definition it was an official statement.

So why were you having a problem with it?

reply to post by esdad71


Absolutely sounds like death by cop. Like I said if this was not an execution.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig


Totally plausible, and if this is what happened they really should release a statement to such.

Wonder why he just didn't ask the agents to leave. They must have really been pushing his buttons.

reply to post by Deetermined


FBI agents are usually better shooters than the average LEO. LOL I know. They train more and have higher standards. Not to mention this was in an apartment correct? It's a little easier to accurately shoot in closer distances.

Also the agent was not being shot at. It's a little easier to stay on target and hit accurately when someone is not shooting back at you.

Regardless of what people say about LEO's missing or hitting innocents it's not very easy to hit what your aiming at when your being shot back at. Most people that criticize have never been in a dynamic situation and are armchair quarterbacks.

Ibragim Todashev, who was killed by the FBI during a questioning, was shot six times, once in the crown of his head, photos shown at a press conference in Moscow reveal.

His father suspects it could have been a kill shot. “I can show you the photos taken after the killing of my son. I have 16 photographs. I just would like to say that looking at these photos is like being in a movie. I only saw things like that in movies: shooting a person, and then the kill shot.

Six shots in the body, one of them in the head,” Abdulbaki Todashev said at the press conference at RIA Novosti news agency in the Russian capital.

rt.com...

Well, it looks like CAIR was eager to make this look like an absolute execution of a poor Muslim and were wrong.

reply to post by roadgravel


That is a good point. Maybe it's like a poster said before. He knew he was going to be tied to something serious so he said screw it and exited this world.

reply to post by KyrieEleison


Yeah I agree. However I have been involved in press releases and sometimes it takes a while. It takes time for the reports to be completed. It takes time for the public information person to get all the facts. Not to mention waiting for autopsy reports.

Originally posted by KyrieEleison
reply to post by 23432

 

There may be a chance, but expecting the same system that created the problem to correct itself might make it an astronomical one.

Phoenix like destiny for USA .

I expect USA to survive this current onslaught of history .
Its only a matter of time before people wake up to the fact that they are being lied to .
When The Capital leaves USA and settles in the East , people will wake up for sure .
USA system has the capability to Self-Reform but whether people can force it or not is the question imho.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig


That's very true. Always a good call to withhold comment until all the facts are in.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig

Also the agent was not being shot at. It's a little easier to stay on target and hit accurately when someone is not shooting back at you.

What was he doing then that warranted the shooting, and if his actions weren't life threatening why was he shot? It seems that the agent had to make a split second decision as if he was being shot at or attacked in another way.

Your argument makes no sense.

Originally posted by Tribunal
So you expect the Washington Post to simply make up a story about such a statement?

"make up"? No.

Make mistakes? Yes.
All media outlets do.
Especially if "officials" mislead them.
You think those two scenarios have never happened?

And just as a side note, when did ATS users start getting all defensive about the MSM, supporting every single word they say and getting angry if anyone questions them? Did I not get the memo about the change of heart?

reply to post by Tribunal


Perhaps if you would have read my first post you would have understood my arguement. Lunging for a knife or sword and not stopping when an agent tells you to is considered acting in a threatening manner.

reply to post by Tribunal


As a former LEO, I assert he is right.

I would not give a criminal a chance to arm themselves especially when they are given a lawful order to leave it be.

If, mind you, this is indeed what happened.

reply to post by alfa1

Edit - as proven by what has been seen in this thread. 1.We had an anonymous source saying that he was "unarmed". 2.We had an anonymous source saying that he had a sword. Both cant be right. At least one news outlet must be wrong.

Or you might be wrong.

One source said he was unarmed when he was shot. One source said that he owned a sword. They didn't say he was armed with a sword when he was shot. Just that he owned one.

The one has nothing to do with the other. And you know it. They can both be perfectly accurate.

Again, quit your BS.

Originally posted by KyrieEleison
reply to post by Tribunal

 

As a former LEO, I assert he is right.

I would not give a criminal a chance to arm themselves especially when they are given a lawful order to leave it be.

If, mind you, this is indeed what happened.

edit on 30-5-2013 by KyrieEleison because: clarity

You would shoot an unarmed person?