No food stamps for people convicted of violent crimes

Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by blivey

 

I would rather see mandatory drug testing for recipients.

They did this in Florida last year. It cost the state twice as much to do the testing than they saved by pulling welfare benefits to the 2.6% of people that failed the test.

Florida did it for the wrong reasons. Rick Scott did it because he had financial interests in the company that did the majority of the drug testing. Essentially it was a way from him to funnel taxpayer money(tax payers paid for the tests, because those who took drug test got reimbursed with tax payer money) into his pockets.

Violent criminals and drug dealers now are both not eligible for food stamps, what do you think they will do to feed themselves? (most of us on ATS understand the flaws in this bill)

reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee


Then they need to grow their own food instead of having other people giving it to them.
There are many places to grow a garden.

In addition, Kimish,

That was in reply to the my bringing up Race, in regards to the Indian genocide, etc and the earth being our Ultimate provider where food, water, etc come from..

Now in regard to the Other,

Classism which Yes WHITES are victim of, and for the Record, I don't support Other supremacists either, including what is termed reverse racism, I will jump in that Just as much as the white privelege...the whole we better than you mentality and therefore are Justified in removing you from the planet type of crap just boils my blood...

And yes I'm quite militant about it. I didn't like OPPRESSION Period, of ANYONE,

And I Will not EVER apologize for that. I don't care if it's deemed as Weak, I'll be weak, then.

DO NOT THINK, that I am asserting some well whites did this now the tables are turned and revenge is ok, I didn't support that Either, because it wreaks of the SAME spirit that drives ANY supremacy or genocide. But my bringing up the foundation of yes Genocide in this nation WAS in response to many a supremacist and yes racist attitude that is Glaringly obvious to any first grader reading here.

I also Loathe that yes there are POOR WHITES who are DISCRIMINATED AGAINST for the VERY same types of reasons that people of color are...and You are right

It ISN'T FAIR that Working class POOR WHITES get Hung with the bill for the Hoarding ELITES, I Totally agree with you there and YES

They will USE racism as a GUILT type of thing to Justify making Whites more Poor, while They get Rich of course, and NO

It isn't right. And it Does feed into nationalist supremacist Groups, Understandable, but Two evils don't make a Right.

I DO believe in Work, as for my Character, if you had of read my alternative solutions to the homeless on another thread, you would see that I didn't support just a hand out system, of ANY kind,

Why? Because it deprives humans of human dignity, That's why. Why I support COOPS, Autonomy and Independent communities that can Create COOP businesses that Benefit EVERYONE. Even a disabled person can Contribute, Something,

INTERDEPENDENCE.

Not Dependence and Not Slavery

I applaud you for your efforts in raising your kids and NO it's not easy for a man or a woman, and Yes you should have Help Because Kids are our future, strong Healthy communities CARE about ALL in that community, and the welfare of the kids, elderly, Mothers, Fathers, etc.

Yes I believe in the Native American Tribal ways, because they Worked...living in HARMONY with both Earth, Each other and animals. All this other euro centric/Mesopotamian lord it over does NOT Work, it's a Death Cult,

Nothing more.

Not to say Indians didn't have conflict, that's a part of life, even animals have conflict, but there was a Balance that was RESPECTED, because they KNEW where their LIFE ESSENSE CAME FROM, and it was NOT

Mans Pride.

Bottom line the whole issue can be summed up to PRIDE,

And PRIDE KILLS. It doesn't bring about Anything good, in the long term of things, it only brings desolation. The Ancients who DIDN'T betray our Earth knew this fact...

And if WE don't return TO this wisdom, we will ALL perish.

reply to post by AllGloryIsGods

Of course, once again someone parroting the same old (&^&%^#%$#@ as so many do.......

If there were no employers here to hire them without documentation, do you really think they would even be here?.

Going after the corporations and businesses would be bad for business, business being what it is and all.

Nevermind Texas used to belong to Mexico anyway......

And Since I'm on a roll here, before I have to part because Yes I have Work to do...

To the comments such as,

Well they can Grow their own food? Another one of those Cain "am I my Brothers Keeper Lord" mentality...and That's EXACTLY what it IS folks,

Ok Where do these felons grow these gardens? What they just walk up to Private land (oh do we open That can of worms, also going back to what the Native Indians WARNED about) and start Growing a garden? Do you really think the law and city enforcers will Allow that???

NO, of Course they won't. Shoot they are Jailing people for Gowing gardens in their OWN yards and even own Houses,

What makes you Think a felon can just start digging somewhere and planting seeds?

Oh Sure they may be able to sneak a small garden in a Greenbelt somewhere but as Soon as some uppity hater sees a garden and some oh my gosh not desirable citizen Growing that garden why here comes the cops!

See its Only the right of Property owners and now Rich ones at That who have That legal right anymore...and we all KNOW it,

But hey nice way to avoid the whole Caring about brother here, might as well just call these poor and marginalized

Lazurus!

As for get a job,

Same thing, sure you can ask for a job, but the Discrimination not just against felons but against POOR including Whites

Is LEGAL in this nation, therefore one doesn't just GET A JOB...and we all know it here. That's where the whole privelege thing comes in by the way, and in some areas the Racism in hiring is glaring, I grew up in South,

I saw it ALL the time so dont sit there and Tell me it does t exist. It darn sure does. And IN that state, the Prisons are FULL of yes, Blacks. They weren't BORN FELONS, they were Forced many of them I to NO choice BUT to steal, run with gangs, etc. it's a Deliberate stratification to KEEP the Staus quo of PRIVELIGE for a Select few...

THAT is a system of Deliberate culling and GENOCIDE,

Only reason many are now n board screaming Against this system is that NOW this Pyramid is Culling the MIDDLE, oh yea, the White middle class and many are not happy with it,

Well What did you expect??? That our overlords from HELL would just preserve their precious servants and just go after their CAPTIVES???

That's an analogy btw but it's also NOT an analogy, just saying...

Bottom line is that our way of Life as we Know it, ok I can just go by the last forty years, and I'm White btw, from a middle class, so just by that LENS, the quality of life we had yes is being destroyed, BUT it's not by the Captives who were already enslaved by a cruel and pyramid system, oh no that we were ALL DECEIVED BY, ok ALL of us, and that many if us ALL benefitted from, let's not deny it, WE DID,

Our cheap goods, from captives and slave labor, murdered and broken down whole civilizations so that WE could enjoy the fruits if existence Without the Same amount of toil and labor

And Yes Yes if WE or our Ancestors hadn't of done a, b, and c, WE wild of instead probably been the Captives/slaves and shoe in other foot, granted, and maybe worse off for all of us...can't exclude That reality, it is what it is,

BUT, the difference is,

Our ancestors, many of them DID have a CONSCIENCE and why they Fought for things such as Human and Civil Rights...

What I see today, is a Lack of both, and Not from the ancestors who toiled, sacrificed and bled, oh no,

But from a ge elation that has Had it EASIER than ANY OTHER GENERATION in time

NOW taking all this Credit and demanding eugenics and hateful was and Having the gall to think that there won't be some Karma to all of this????

Even the Poorest of the Poor Know this,

Fact is, WE wouldn't even HAVE the jobs today or the tech, etc if not for the OPPRESSED and LABOR, so WHO are WE

To sit in this supremacy me tality because things are tight via resources (Because of HOARDING AND GREED) and Insisting

That "those" people are starved out, that "those" people are sterilized, that "those" people are scammers and cons and lazy

Well WHERE DID THEY LEARN. THAT. FROM???

IF YOU have a JOB then you should be GRATEFUL, NOT PROUD.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't be treated right or earn some fruits from your labor...but it also doesn't Mean you're more entitled OR that you aren't more Special than the UNEMPLOYED.

So to Sit there, in ARROGANCE, and say,

TSS TSS get a job or grow a garden to Anyone regardless, who is being DENIED NOT JUST FOOD,

But possibly water, JOBS, land, a shelter,

isn't righteous, but what it IS

Is a Slap in the Face to every Ancestor who sacrificed for YOU.

Let's NOT FORGET

We had a GENERATION of ANCESTORS who SUFFERED THE DEPRESSION

A d TWO WARS.

THEY fought to have Programs so that No one, in Ideal at least, would be Deliberately Deprived, for a select few.

I think some of you, need to go to a library and Read the letters in archives if many our ANCESTORS who were deliberately Starved and left to rot during the Depression and how Many Got rich from.

This sounds like an excellent idea, and about time as well.

If you do the crime, be prepared to face the consequences.......and as to the "violent people will continue to be violent if you take away their freebies" then SO BE IT. Continue to break the law and may you rot in jail.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
This sounds like an excellent idea, and about time as well.

If you do the crime, be prepared to face the consequences.......and as to the "violent people will continue to be violent if you take away their freebies" then SO BE IT. Continue to break the law and may you rot in jail.

Only VIOLENT people I see here is the Violence by a System that is propping up and supporting an Elite CLASS at the Expense of thousands of Others,

So that the ELITE CLASS can Hoard, Waste and Wallor in their DECADENCE. While they MURDER ...

Like the NEROs they are!

Originally posted by ThreeBears

Originally posted by MidnightTide
This sounds like an excellent idea, and about time as well.

If you do the crime, be prepared to face the consequences.......and as to the "violent people will continue to be violent if you take away their freebies" then SO BE IT. Continue to break the law and may you rot in jail.

Only VIOLENT people I see here is the Violence by a System that is propping up and supporting an Elite CLASS at the Expense of thousands of Others,

So that the ELITE CLASS can Hoard, Waste and Wallor in their DECADENCE. While they MURDER ...

Like the NEROs they are!

Oh I can see the elite as you put it and I can also see the useful idiots who love the idea of free stuff. Who do you think thought up all these socialist ideas. The elite. They are attacking you from both sides and you don't even see it.

reply to post by MidnightTide

Be an average everyday poor person and be forced to plea down to a lesser charge because you can't afford adequate legal representation when you didn't even commit the crime you were initially charged with.

You might just have a different attitude after that happens to you.

The system does not work for you, it works against you, unless you are wealthy or part of it.

Andy says to Red : What are you in here for ?.
Red replies: Don't you know everybody in here is innocent?.

The violent elements of this society are made that way through deprivation and abuse,intentionally.

They are needed to keep the old class struggle going and give the chickens (A lot of you) something to peck at.

The most violent elements are sanctioned by the government and looked upon as honorable by most everyone else who doesn't really have any understanding of how all of this actually works.

It's not supposed to work by design.

I don't think people commit violent crimes because they are hungry. They may steal but not do violence. People commit violent crimes because they are angry. Why are they angry? Perhaps they feel they are being forced to get a job.

I remember i was just a little kid, and we heard about a famine in Africa....
Canada sent wheat.....
But they had a surplus of butter too, and they dumped it rather than give it to the africans to butter their dry crusts...
So much Waste is SO much Evil.....
waste =EVIL
when ya gonna learn folks.?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


In the near future food stamps will no longer be funded by the federal government. They will be privatized to the states and no state will be able to afford millions of people on food stamps, so they will cap it at a low percentage rate. We haven't seen nothing yet. It's going to get a lot worse.

I've been hungry and homeless and guess what....I still had my gun. I didn't want too but guess what? Well use your imagination, lets just say I ate!

My situation is better now and I'm employed in a very good job so I no longer have to do bad things to feed myself.

All of you who think this is good and are tired of welfare...better hope you (or your loved ones) don't run across a person such as myself who are hungry and have nothing to lose.

So you can sit on your computer all "better than you" if you like but there's nothing like the grief if you lose a loved one to a crime because of legislation you support.

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Cabin

 

It's a really bad idea. Felons convicted of violent crimes I have no pity for, but in most cases these people have children who need to eat. Since the children cannot apply for assistance themselves- it must be the parent- it would ultimately sentence the children of these people to the slow and painful death of malnutrition, followed by starvation. It is not the children's fault that mom or dad made a horrible mistake and they should not have to suffer for it.

You have no pity for violent felons but are you ignoring the title "violent felon"? These are people who have been to prison and learned a "dog eat dog" behavior. Many will not hesitate to knock your head off for your purse.

Originally posted by Allenb83

Originally posted by UNIT76
well, food and nutrition, water.. basic human rights.. take these away from someone and how do you expect them to turn out?

i think this is just another example of how the new society is going to squeeze all the 'undesirables' out

..never mind all those psychopaths in washington with the drone programs, etc..

Poor criminals. They just may have to go to work if they want to eat.

yeah, what was i just saying about 'washington'

edit on 25-5-2013 by UNIT76 because: hindsight is 20/20

To say that food, nutrition, and water are basic human RIGHTS... let me tell you, you have it all wrong. These are not rights, these are privileges. You WORK for them, just as our founding fathers intended it to be. As if people in this country think that it is a RIGHT to take money from others. Society won't squeeze the undesirables out, they will just FAIL or they will learn not to.

We can't call ourselves a civilization unless food, water and shelter are indeed RIGHTS. Anything else is survival of the fittest. Is that really what you want?

This world existed before our "Founding Fathers"...

Originally posted by MidnightTide
This sounds like an excellent idea, and about time as well.

If you do the crime, be prepared to face the consequences.......and as to the "violent people will continue to be violent if you take away their freebies" then SO BE IT. Continue to break the law and may you rot in jail.

But what if you or your loved ones are killed or maimed by a hungry felon? How will you feel then? Will you stubbornly hold on to your classism of "freebies"? Or will you see the err in your ways and trade that attitude to have your loved one back?

reply to post by antar


Oh they'll go to work alright,you just won't like what line of work they are doing.When people are desperate they will do anything to eat,sleep and clothe themselves.I can't wait to see how this one goes.Then everyone will be asking,whos dumb idea this was.

WTF?

We feed people or we just kill them. As soon as we make decisions about "is this person worthy" -- we put SOMEONE in the position of making that decision. We should not be empowering people to make these decisions -- it is ultimately corrupting. That was one of the best arguments against capital punishment -- which I was for before someone pointed this out.

If a person has not been given the death sentence, they should be respected as people -- and people need to eat. And these people often have children and they need to eat.

Don't buy into the nonsense that we cannot AFFORD food stamps, as studies have shown that for each dollar spent, the economy gains more than was spent. We also are spending many, many billions on a thing called "Quantitative Easing" -- which is basically paying the banks to buy bonds to deleverage all their inflated ill gotten gains. It's basically a fancy technique for burning cash to make people wealthier while letting the air out on speculation. It's far more than we spend feeding poor people. We can waste money on hot air, but not people?

I don't want to even talk to people who would consider such a thing. This isn't the country I thought I knew where I have to argue FOR due process, AGAINST torture. And with people who question the worth of a person to eat.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by MidnightTide
This sounds like an excellent idea, and about time as well.

If you do the crime, be prepared to face the consequences.......and as to the "violent people will continue to be violent if you take away their freebies" then SO BE IT. Continue to break the law and may you rot in jail.

But what if you or your loved ones are killed or maimed by a hungry felon? How will you feel then? Will you stubbornly hold on to your classism of "freebies"? Or will you see the err in your ways and trade that attitude to have your loved one back?

"What if" scenarios are the tactic of people without an argument. Whatever the crime of the person -- if they've done their time and been through the justice system -- they are clear of their "punishment". WE did not execute them so we do not starve people to death.