Common Core Standards to be Used to Indoctrinate First Graders For the Good of the Collective.

Originally posted by hamburgerler

I fail to see how anyone can the scientific method can be transmitted through indoctrination.

Even the scientific method itself has evolved over the course of history. It wasn't just discovered out of thin air. It evolved through experimentation, observation and new discoveries, just like scientific theories. There have been many approaches to scientific methods throughout the centuries and the history of science.

For example, Descartes and Sir Francis Bacon had different ideas on what scientific method should be used. Descartes believed in a metaphysical approach while Bacon's scientific method, which he wrote in his book Novum Organum, had an empirical approach. Bacon's method was seen at the time as a new scientific method which was to replace the scientific method of Aristotle's Organon.

Althou the "Baconian method" proposed a pure empirical approach to scientific theories, and this method was influential for the development of the scientific method as is still used in modern science, it changed and evolved with Newton's rules of reasoning.

The scientific method is a basic guide which has changed. Who is to say that tomorrow, or in 10 years the scientific method will not change again?

Originally posted by hamburgerler
The scientific method will not change, it is a method, like baking a loaf of bread, or finding out how much currency you have in your wallet.

Really? I am almost 100% sure that's what Al-Biruni, Avicenna, Robert Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, Francis Bacon, Aristotle, Francisco Franches, Descartes, Galileo, and Newton among others also thought.

Who is to say the scientific method will never change?... Can you see the future?

Originally posted by hamburgerler
It is a very bizarre thing to be suspicious of to tell you the truth.

You find it bizarre and suspicious that it is a bad idea to "indoctrinate" instead of "teaching" whether it is the scientific method, scientific theories or anything else?... Now I am the one finding your argument suspicious, not to mention fallacious...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Even YOU in your response here are not only using your own emotions, but you are trying to instill the same response on other members to try to dismiss FACTS by using emotional responses instead of engaging your cognitive thinking and making a rational counter-argument...

So thank you for making my point...

Erm....
seems to me that you are the emotional knee-jerker here.

And also, you don't understand actual 'Progressive' ideology. Do some more research.

The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the U.S. in particular, the term "progressive" tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat, which is scarcely used in American political language.

The reason for this confusion in the U.S. might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." [13]

link
And that's just wiki.

Are you really that callous to the people all over the world who are starving, working as slaves, etc.?
I spent part of this morning looking at "TheBlaze" page and reading the comments. The vilification of ANYONE who is not a "Republican" (Dominionist) is astounding, and the smearing of 'Progressives' is appallingly ignorant and sensational.

Anyhoo...
whatever. You are mistaken.

Originally posted by wildtimes

Erm....
seems to me that you are the emotional knee-jerker here.

Really? Second time that you make a similar remark without providing one shred of evidence. BTW, in case you didn't know Wikipedia has been found to be biased in three topics, politics, Anthropogenic Global Warming, and Climate Change...

Not to mention that your one reference can't refute the several other members and I have provided.

Originally posted by wildtimes
And also, you don't understand actual 'Progressive' ideology. Do some more research.
And that's just wiki.

I did, I corroborated my arguments with several links and excerpts...what do you have?...your claims with no evidence...

Again, who is responding in a "knee-jerk fashion" without really doing any research?... Pretty sure it's not me...

Originally posted by wildtimes
Are you really that callous to the people all over the world who are starving, working as slaves, etc.?
I spent part of this morning looking at "TheBlaze" page and reading the comments. The vilification of ANYONE who is not a "Republican" (Dominionist) is astounding, and the smearing of 'Progressives' is appallingly ignorant and sensational.

Pffft, I was one of those people who alongside my family was at times starving while living under a socialist/communist oppression. Not to mention that there are still family members of mine still living under such leftwing regime...

Am I callous to "the people in need in the world"?... No, but I also am sure that progressive idealism and leftwing ideology is not the answer because they ALWAYS try to take away individual rights "for the good of all" of course...

Heck, the current "progressive President" signed among many other fascist legislation and laws the healthcare act, in which every working American must pay private insurance agencies a fee that funds abortion, whether you agree with it or not...

Under the guise of "helping the poor and the working people" dictators have implemented fascist legislation, and people like you are so blind and brainwashed that you can't see what is being done even this day and age under the guise of "for the good of the working people, the Earth, and us all"...

Originally posted by wildtimes
Anyhoo...
whatever. You are mistaken.

Riiiight... I guess that's what you call "evidence huh?...

reply to post by wildtimes


BTW, shall we see where your "progressivism" and leftwing ideology is taking us?

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

BTW, being compassionate towards others is not a virtue or trait of only progressive, or other leftwing ideaology, or ANY form of ideology whatsoever... Being compassionate, and wanting the goodwill of others are traits found in INDIVIDUALS.

However, progressivism and leftwing ideology do have one thing in common, to lure people in to embrace such ideas "to help your fellow man" meanwhile individual rights are taken away... Heck, the whole point of progressivism and leftwing ideology is to make people forsake their individual rights "for the good of the collective", and those in power LOVE people like you who embrace such ideologies.

One more thing, many if not most people in power in the Republican party these days are just as power hungry and as corrupt as those in power who are Democrats and leftwing in general. Republicans who side with corporations and against the rights of the individual are not really Republicans at all, they are RINO(Republican In Name Only).

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Okay, I haven't had my tea, yet, but this abstract doesn't say anything about Progressivism. It's talking about the difficulty of doing anything 'globally' and mentions democracy and governance.

I don't know what your point is.

The Parties have a rich history of "change", as well. The nuances of the terms "left, right, conservative, liberal, progressive, moderate, socialism, democracy," are many. The ALL have multiple meanings, mean different things in different countries and contexts, and have changed over time. It takes a long time and much study to absorb all of it, and an open mind.

I haven't given you sources because I don't think you really want to learn anything (least of all from me), and you are too angry to absorb any of it anyway. If you are really interested in being more precise, you will look it up yourself. I don't have to prove that Progressives are not "communists." The burden is on you to prove that they are, since that is your allegation.

So, I will bow out. You enjoy your 'alarmism' and 'sensationalism' - this is my second and final effort to have any meaningful dialogue with you. You don't want to make any "progress", however.

I have no idea what platform YOU claim or prefer, but it's pretty clear what you hate - and fear. That's your prerogative. I prefer not to stress out like that, and I'm not going to join you in the "hate and fear" boat.

kthxbai

reply to post by tport17


I would have to disagree with you to an extent. We had a major uprising in my town when our children came home last year from school at the high school and their text books were teaching horribly deplorable things. They stated specifically that evolution was fact and not theory, their health books stated that homosexuality is perfectly acceptable and a safe alternative to teenage pregnancies, there were even pamphlets from planned parenthood showing safe anal sex practices, other books preached about the greatness of the Islamic faith yet never mention any other religion and they go on to discuss how Islam is very peaceful and that fear of them comes from the media. I mention these things to point out that these things are being pushed onto our children in public schools. We had a surge of homeschooling after our town meeting.
I will agree that it's not necessarily the teachers indoctrinating but they are obeying orders quite well.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Even YOU in your response here are not only using your own emotions, but you are trying to instill the same response on other members to try to dismiss FACTS by using emotional responses instead of engaging your cognitive thinking and making a rational counter-argument...

So thank you for making my point...

Erm....
seems to me that you are the emotional knee-jerker here.

And also, you don't understand actual 'Progressive' ideology. Do some more research.

The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the U.S. in particular, the term "progressive" tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat, which is scarcely used in American political language.

The reason for this confusion in the U.S. might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." [13]

link
And that's just wiki.

Are you really that callous to the people all over the world who are starving, working as slaves, etc.?
I spent part of this morning looking at "TheBlaze" page and reading the comments. The vilification of ANYONE who is not a "Republican" (Dominionist) is astounding, and the smearing of 'Progressives' is appallingly ignorant and sensational.

Anyhoo...
whatever. You are mistaken.

And I'll add definitions from Oxford dictionary to clarify the meaning of liberal

• liberal
• Syllabification: (lib·er·al)
• Pronunciation: /ˈlib(ə)rəl/
• Translate liberal | into French | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
• Definition of liberal
• adjective
• 1open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values:they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people


• favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms:liberal citizenship laws


• (in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform:a liberal democratic state


• (Liberal) of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
• (Liberal) (in the UK) of or relating to the Liberal Democrat Party:the Liberal leader


• Theology regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
• 2 [attributive] (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person’s general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
• 3(especially of an interpretation of a law) broadly construed or understood; not strictly literal or exact:they could have given the 1968 Act a more liberal interpretation


• 4given, used, or occurring in generous amounts:liberal amounts of wine had been consumed


• (of a person) giving generously:Sam was too liberal with the wine


• noun
• a person of liberal views.
• (Liberal) a supporter or member of a Liberal Party.


oxforddictionaries.com...

You have yet to make any point, that I can decern.You tend to accuse people of opinions they didn't state - you assume you know what they are thinking (delusional). And then, turn around and accuse others of not understanding what you say (because you are not saying anything consistant).

In both cases you need to listen more and scream less. You might learn something that would improve your argument (if you have one to make).

Originally posted by wildtimes

Okay, I haven't had my tea, yet, but this abstract doesn't say anything about Progressivism. It's talking about the difficulty of doing anything 'globally' and mentions democracy and governance.

I don't know what your point is.

It's part of the goal of the UN on how to globalize "democratization", and how they plan to govern derived from "corporate governance". This is fascism plain and simple. Or did you miss the part where it says how this global form of governance they have in mind is derived from "corporate mandates"?...

Then there is the fact on how they are trying to make people accept this "globalization" through lies such as "the need to combat Climate Change or Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Did you also miss my excerpt and link to Janet Napolitano's "progressive internationalism"?...

Originally posted by wildtimes
The Parties have a rich history of "change", as well. The nuances of the terms "left, right, conservative, liberal, progressive, moderate, socialism, democracy," are many. The ALL have multiple meanings, mean different things in different countries and contexts, and have changed over time. It takes a long time and much study to absorb all of it, and an open mind.

"Change" is not always good, and there are many people who don't seem to understand this, not to mention that it is not as much change as it is a "renaming" of old ideology in the case of progressivism. BTW, I have been studying all this for "a very long time", so nice try to imply that I somehow need more time to understand what is happening.

Originally posted by wildtimes
I haven't given you sources because I don't think you really want to learn anything (least of all from me), and you are too angry to absorb any of it anyway. If you are really interested in being more precise, you will look it up yourself. I don't have to prove that Progressives are not "communists." The burden is on you to prove that they are, since that is your allegation.

Riiight, so you failed your approach at ad hominem attacks, then you try to claim that I need more time to understand it and now I must be angry for posting facts that you don't want to accept?...

As for proof of progressivism being a communist type ideology this can be found in the fact that the "progressive movement", just like some other movements, keep calling for "working as a collective and giving up at least some of our individual rights"...

Originally posted by wildtimes
So, I will bow out. You enjoy your 'alarmism' and 'sensationalism' - this is my second and final effort to have any meaningful dialogue with you. You don't want to make any "progress", however.

I have no idea what platform YOU claim or prefer, but it's pretty clear what you hate - and fear. That's your prerogative. I prefer not to stress out like that, and I'm not going to join you in the "hate and fear" boat.

kthxbai

Riiight, riiight, so I must agree with you in order not to be hateful or fearful and to have a meaningful conversation... That's the sort of "change" we can all believe in right?...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by hamburgerler

Even the scientific method itself has evolved over the course of history. It wasn't just discovered out of thin air. It evolved through experimentation, observation and new discoveries, just like scientific theories. There have been many approaches to scientific methods throughout the centuries and the history of science.

Yes, I gather this is all true, but I am not sure what your point is. One of point is, if the current scientific method proves to be erroneous (which is will not, which I will later explain), the scientific method is exactly what children need in order to disprove things like: ---->THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD

reply to post by hamburgerler


I am not going to keep arguing, if you or anyone else for that matter, still can't understand the difference between indoctrination and teaching, even concerning the scientific method, that's fine.

Thinking that it is impossible for science, even the scientific method, to change will close your mind to the possibility of change even when it is staring you in the face. This is a mistake that has been repeated numerously over the course of history.

Anyway, back to the topic itself.

Here is the post and a video of a teacher who states that teaching is extinct, and has been replaced for indoctrination.

Friday, May 31, 2013

Indoctrination System: Former Teacher Speaks Out, “Everything I loved about teaching is extinct.”

Kimberly Paxton
Activist Post

Real teachers, the ones who care about their students, the ones who teach kids to think critically and not just recite things by rote, are being targeted. Why?

Because our public indoctrination centers, also known as schools, don’t want children to think.

They want children to learn specified "facts” in order to pass standardized tests, thus creating perfect little worker bees. They want to produce adults who will not question authority or the status quo, but merely assimilate what they are told as truth, and act accordingly.

Because of this, the school system is losing those teachers who could make a real difference in the future of our country.

Ellie Rubenstein is such a teacher, and she made a video of her resignation from the school system, saying, “Everything I loved about teaching is extinct”. She exposes the entire system, and continues,

I thought I’d be a teacher the rest of my life. But I no longer feel I’m doing anything meaningful. I have to get out before my sense of self and self-worth is completely obliterated. Unless you are a ‘yes’ man, you will soon find out your only choice is to become one or leave.
...

www.activistpost.com...

Here is her video which explains her reasons better.



I really feel for her, you can see in the video that she really liked being a teacher and was/is concerned about her students. But because new rules and regulations which are meant to turn children into "little worker bees who will not question authority", and because she is not allowed to teach anymore in her own way, she has decided to stop being a teacher and instead become an education activist.

BTW, just so that there are no misunderstandings as to what she is partially referring to when she says education has turned into indoctrination, here are part of her comments from a news website where you can also find the response from another teacher about the resignation video/letter that Ellie Rubenstein made, and how this is really happening not only Chicago, but all over the Constitutional Republic of the United States.

Ellie Rubenstein's resignation goes viral

10:55 PM, May 29, 2013

By Art Holliday

ST. LOUIS COUNTY (KSDK) - It's the latest job resignation to go viral, another "take this job and shove it" moment. An Illinois teacher resigns on YouTube, registering more than 450,000 hits online.

"Everything I loved about teaching is extinct." Ellie Rubenstein was a 15 year veteran fourth grade teacher in Highland Park, Illinois.

When school officials attempted to transfer her to another school, she had enough. She crafted an emotional resignation video titled "In Pursuit of Happiness" and posted it on YouTube. Among her complaints: a national education system that overemphasizes standardized testing.

"Raising students' test scores on standardized tests is now the only goal, and in order to achieve it, the creativity, flexibility, and spontaneity that create authentic learning environments have been eliminated," said Rubenstein.

Gina Luerding-Looten is a 26 year veteran teacher in St. Louis County. She watched Rubenstein's video and understands her frustration.

"She could have been a teacher from anywhere. Anytown USA," said Luerding-Looten. "And I think that should say a whole lot to our nation. Teachers everywhere feel this way. Not all teaching experiences are bad, but it just seems like more and more, what she said is happening in districts all around with people I know. It's not just in our area. It's all over the state. All over the United States."
...

www.ksdk.com...

Anyway, if you are interested in this topic you should really watch her video.

All I can say is this sounds remarkably similar to Common Purpose.

Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
All I can say is this sounds remarkably similar to Common Purpose.

Thank you for adding that link with plenty of information which shows this is happening in other countries, that link specifically mentions a group who is doing this in the UK.

Let me just excerpt the beginning info from that link you gave, and again thank you.

Common Purpose is a political charity using Behavioural Modification

Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ‘Future Leaders’ of society. CP selects individuals and ‘trains’ them to learn how society works, who 'pulls the levers of power' and how CP ‘graduates’ can use this knowledge to lead 'Outside Authority’.

Children, teenagers and adults have their prejudices removed. Graduates are ‘empowered’ to become ‘Leaders’ and work in ‘partnership’ with other CP graduates. CP claims to have trained some 30,000 adult graduates in UK and changed the lives of some 80,000 people, including schoolchildren and young people.

But evidence shows that Common Purpose is rather more than a Charity ‘empowering' people and communities’. In fact, CP is an elitest pro-EU political organisation helping to replace democracy in UK, and worldwide, with CP chosen ‘elite’ leaders. In truth, their hidden networks and political objectives are undermining and destroying our democratic society and are threatening ‘free will’ in adults, teenagers and children. Their work is funded by public money and big business, including international banks.
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www.cpexposed.com...

And last, but not leas, the following quote, also given at the end of the above link but which every member should be familiar with.

...

The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.--C. S. Lewis (Screwtape Letters). And we should remember that...Evil flourishes where good men do nothing.

www.cpexposed.com...

And btw, this group is also in the Constitutional Republic of the United States.

USA Common Purpose Project Washington DC uniting top left-leaning Obama officials


Common Purpose Project- Washington

The Common Purpose Project meets "every Tuesday afternoon at the Capitol Hilton" in Washington, DC, and "brings together the top officials from a range of left-leaning organizations, from labor groups like Change to Win to activists like MoveOn.org, all in support of the White House's agenda. The group has an overlapping membership with a daily 8:45 a.m. call run by the Center for American Progress' and Media Matters' political arms; with the new field-oriented coalition Unity '09; and with the groups that allied to back the budget as the Campaign to Rebuild and Renew America Now. Unlike those other groups, however, the Common Purpose meeting has involved a White House official, communications director Ellen Moran, two sources familiar with the meeting said. It's aimed, said one, at 'providing a way for the White House to manage its relationships with some of these independent groups.' The group's founder, political consultant and former Gephardt aide Erik Smith, described it in general terms after others had confirmed its existence. 'The goal is to convene a group of people that identify the most effective progressive messages and to advance a progressive policy agenda,' said Smith. ... Common Purpose is formed as a 501(c)(4), which leaves it focused on policy, rather than electoral, work. Its political director is another former Obama aide, Miti Sathe. Part of the group's role is to enforce a kind of message discipline." [1]
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www.cpexposed.com...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


A cancer. They are in the UK, the EU, Australia, New Zealand, the US and who knows where else. I think the key to outing these people lies in "outside authority".

The team members are taught how to have authority outside of their organisations.....an area for which they are not accountable to anyone, least of all the taxpayer.

I do not think I am paranoid in suggesting this happens all the time, at all levels of society. Plenty of documentation on CP Exposed, it's a good resource. Needs more attention IMHO because it isn't just relevant to the UK, not anymore.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by hamburgerler

 

I am not going to keep arguing, if you or anyone else for that matter, still can't understand the difference between indoctrination and teaching, even concerning the scientific method, that's fine.

Thinking that it is impossible for science, even the scientific method, to change will close your mind to the possibility of change even when it is staring you in the face. This is a mistake that has been repeated numerously over the course of history.

Well first of all, I want to get your point in order to understand what there is to fear from the method.

Some science will change, some will not, but the scientific method??? When is the last time that has changed?
I suspect electricity was yet to be harnessed.
Anyway, back to the topic itself.

Here is the post and a video of a teacher who states that teaching is extinct, and has been replaced for indoctrination.

Friday, May 31, 2013

Indoctrination System: Former Teacher Speaks Out, “Everything I loved about teaching is extinct.”

Kimberly Paxton
Activist Post

Real teachers, the ones who care about their students, the ones who teach kids to think critically and not just recite things by rote, are being targeted. Why?

Because our public indoctrination centers, also known as schools, don’t want children to think.

They want children to learn specified "facts” in order to pass standardized tests, thus creating perfect little worker bees. They want to produce adults who will not question authority or the status quo, but merely assimilate what they are told as truth, and act accordingly.

Because of this, the school system is losing those teachers who could make a real difference in the future of our country.

Ellie Rubenstein is such a teacher, and she made a video of her resignation from the school system, saying, “Everything I loved about teaching is extinct”. She exposes the entire system, and continues,

I thought I’d be a teacher the rest of my life. But I no longer feel I’m doing anything meaningful. I have to get out before my sense of self and self-worth is completely obliterated. Unless you are a ‘yes’ man, you will soon find out your only choice is to become one or leave.
...

www.activistpost.com...

Here is her video which explains her reasons better.

I really feel for her, you can see in the video that she really liked being a teacher and was/is concerned about her students. But because new rules and regulations which are meant to turn children into "little worker bees who will not question authority", and because she is not allowed to teach anymore in her own way, she has decided to stop being a teacher and instead become an education activist.

Well I hope she is able to effect change.

Originally posted by hamburgerler

Well first of all, I want to get your point in order to understand what there is to fear from the method.

Some science will change, some will not, but the scientific method??? When is the last time that has changed?
I suspect electricity was yet to be harnessed.
Anyway, back to the topic itself.

Wow...are you kidding me?... You must be able to see into the future... Can you tell me the lottery numbers for the next lotto from Florida before they are announced?...

Originally posted by hamburgerler
Well I hope she is able to effect change.

Is that all you really have to say about her video and what she and other teachers are saying?... I guess you really have nothing at all to contribute. Thanks for stopping by anyway.

Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

A cancer. They are in the UK, the EU, Australia, New Zealand, the US and who knows where else. I think the key to outing these people lies in "outside authority".

The team members are taught how to have authority outside of their organisations.....an area for which they are not accountable to anyone, least of all the taxpayer.

I do not think I am paranoid in suggesting this happens all the time, at all levels of society. Plenty of documentation on CP Exposed, it's a good resource. Needs more attention IMHO because it isn't just relevant to the UK, not anymore.

Again you are 100% correct, and the Common Core Standards are obviously part of their goal to indoctrinate future generations all over the globe.

These people have been even announcing what they are doing and will do, yet no one seems to want to try to stop them...

Well, it is also true that they own most news sources, and the ones they don't own are probably so small that most people probably have no idea of what this group of elites are doing.

reply to post by FyreByrd

You have yet to make any point, that I can decern.You tend to accuse people of opinions they didn't state - you assume you know what they are thinking (delusional). And then, turn around and accuse others of not understanding what you say (because you are not saying anything consistant).

Sorry....are you talking to me????
I think I'm pretty consistent, and make valid points.

If you are talking to me: Who's opinion am I 'mis-stating', please?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

As for proof of progressivism being a communist type ideology this can be found in the fact that the "progressive movement", just like some other movements, keep calling for "working as a collective and giving up at least some of our individual rights"...

Dude!
"working as a collective and giving up at least some of our individual rights" does NOT make it "communist"!! It makes it 'social balance'!

It makes it "cooperation" toward a Non-Zero-sum game.
(That's when "everybody wins".)

But, you probably don't understand what that means, either, and don't WANT to know.

So, okay. All right, then.

No 'collective cooperation" from you. Got it. Carry on, then. Be irrational all by your lonesome....or with your friends....I'm done trying to talk to you.

Be as self-centered and greedy and belligerent as you choose -
be an enemy to cooperation -
Go for it!! Just Please, LEAVE ME OUT OF IT!.