Continuity of Government

What are the Continuity of Government plans?

There are top secret, extremely compartmentalized plans that are activated during a catastrophic event that injures or disables important parts of the United States Government. They were developed under the umbrella of the Cold War and dealt directly with everything related to surviving a nuclear holocaust while fighting a World War. It is unknown when its planning started and what exactly are (were) the plans. By 1949 the USSR had tested a nuclear weapon, only the second country to do so. By the 1960s underground bases were being constructed along with the wireless capability to communicate. The pilotless remote-controlled airplanes weren't available by then.

What is a State of Emergency?

A State of Emergency is declared when a country is facing a major emergency, such as a big flood, an earthquake or any other event that gravely affects the social order. Stricter laws are enforced and control remains in the hands of the government. Sometimes the military forces are called. America has been in a continuous declared State of Emergency since September 14th, 2001. Search "state of emergency site:whitehouse.gov" in your favorite search engine.

Why should we care?

Well, I personally don't like this State of Emergency thing. People have little long-range vision when dealing with an emergency. They put out the fire first, then look for the reason why the fire was burning. Also, the Continuity of Government plans stopped being plans, and went into action. There were people underground as late as March 2002 according to the Washington Post. Some of the emergency powers were finally codified into law in May 2007 (en.wikipedia.org...).

What does it mean?

The United States Government has been replaced by another government that operates under a different set of rules. It is no surprise the rest of the government has gone crazy. Drones are killing daily, kidnappings and indefinite detention are the rule. That pressures any human being into agreeing, and if he doesn't, they'll torture you. This is the background upon which America operates. And it doesn't realize it! There's a whole generation that has been living under this State of Emergency and doesn't know it yet.

Why this forum?

This is a military plans forum. These are civilian and military plans, heavily interlocked.

Yes we are still in a state of emergency because Obama continued it but it really hasn't effected anything yet. By declaring this status, a President opens up about 500 new legal options he has such as martial law and censorship but as of yet, none of them have been implemented.

Obama probably continued it to keep his options open but neither he nor Bush have really utilized anything under this status.

All of the things you may not like that are happening are being conducted under legitimately passed legislation such as the Patriot Act or the NDAA...none of it, including things such as drones, are directly related to a "state of emergency."

We've been under a declared state of National emergency since 9/11/2001.
That goes far in explaining why most people think the government isn't very responsive to their needs.

You can actually find out quite a lot about continuity of government plans online, I find it quite interesting the not all of the locations are “super top secret”.

Also where is the OP getting this “the united states government has been replaced by another government…” I don’t see where that information has come from

And as others have pointed out the state of emergency thing isn’t really that significant as no one has actually used it to have any real impact on anything.

Originally posted by Hopechest
Obama probably continued it to keep his options open but neither he nor Bush have really utilized anything under this status.

That's incorrect.

They can utilize all those options covertly. That is how Bush was able to bomb Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia without going to Congress. That is how a "secret court" made the legal decisions that allowed for indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques - and a decade later no Congressman can take a peek at those documents and speak publicly. They were under the maximum national emergency. That legal framework was put in place not to keep as "options", but precisely to be able to exercise them. The US Patriot Act amended this paragraph under "Presidential Authority", 50 USC § 1702:

``(c) Classified Information.--In any judicial review of a determination made under this section, if the determination was based on classified information (as defined in section 1(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act) such information may be submitted to the reviewing court ex parte and in camera. This subsection does not confer or imply any right to judicial review.''.

Donald Rumsfeld said:

www.defense.gov...

Rumsfeld: We have a lot of evidence about a number of countries harboring terrorists that are working across the globe. And if you think about it, the al Qaeda network probably has activities in some 50-60 countries, not just in Europe or the Middle East, but even in Asia, and certainly in the United States of America. So the evidence is very clear that a number of states are doing that.

They declared war on terrorism and on terrorist organizations. This means they went into war not against those 50-60 countries, but against individuals and organizations inside them. They must have had to get some kind of authorization from their leaders. That is why Bush said "If you're not with us... You're with the terrorists". That was a direct threat to any national leader that refused to cooperate with the intrusion of JSOC forces to fight terrorism. The CIA forces probably did it anyway, they don't care. But they were empowered by the State of Emergency... If the country disagreed, it would be placed in the State-Sponsored Terrorism list and subject to all kinds of sanctions (which can seriously cripple the ability of a country to function, especially if it's dependent on US products and capital).

Through the state of emergency and COG, the US was able to declare the broadest war in its history - a totally global war, where the combat field has very few frontiers. It's not an illegal out-reach of Presidential power. This was so cleverly designed it is actually all legal, the powers are scattered around a Executive Orders, acts such as the PATRIOT act, and Presidential Directives. I'm just starting to piece all of this together, but I'm making this public so anyone can look for themselves.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Also where is the OP getting this “the united states government has been replaced by another government…” I don’t see where that information has come from

Do you know who went inside those bunkers and became the maximum authority after 9/11? This is what I mean by "replaced". There was a government which everyone knew, which was elected; after 9/11 a group inside that government went underground with unprecedented power and held it for at least 6 months, without broad, public notice.

Originally posted by SomeoneWatching

Originally posted by Hopechest
Obama probably continued it to keep his options open but neither he nor Bush have really utilized anything under this status.

That's incorrect.

They can utilize all those options covertly. That is how Bush was able to bomb Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia without going to Congress. That is how a "secret court" made the legal decisions that allowed for indefinite detention, extraordinary rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques - and a decade later no Congressman can take a peek at those documents and speak publicly. They were under the maximum national emergency. That legal framework was put in place not to keep as "options", but precisely to be able to exercise them. The US Patriot Act amended this paragraph under "Presidential Authority", 50 USC § 1702:

``(c) Classified Information.--In any judicial review of a determination made under this section, if the determination was based on classified information (as defined in section 1(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act) such information may be submitted to the reviewing court ex parte and in camera. This subsection does not confer or imply any right to judicial review.''.

Donald Rumsfeld said:

www.defense.gov...

Rumsfeld: We have a lot of evidence about a number of countries harboring terrorists that are working across the globe. And if you think about it, the al Qaeda network probably has activities in some 50-60 countries, not just in Europe or the Middle East, but even in Asia, and certainly in the United States of America. So the evidence is very clear that a number of states are doing that.

They declared war on terrorism and on terrorist organizations. This means they went into war not against those 50-60 countries, but against individuals and organizations inside them. They must have had to get some kind of authorization from their leaders. That is why Bush said "If you're not with us... You're with the terrorists". That was a direct threat to any national leader that refused to cooperate with the intrusion of JSOC forces to fight terrorism. The CIA forces probably did it anyway, they don't care. But they were empowered by the State of Emergency... If the country disagreed, it would be placed in the State-Sponsored Terrorism list and subject to all kinds of sanctions (which can seriously cripple the ability of a country to function, especially if it's dependent on US products and capital).

Through the state of emergency and COG, the US was able to declare the broadest war in its history - a totally global war, where the combat field has very few frontiers. It's not an illegal out-reach of Presidential power. This was so cleverly designed it is actually all legal, the powers are scattered around a Executive Orders, acts such as the PATRIOT act, and Presidential Directives. I'm just starting to piece all of this together, but I'm making this public so anyone can look for themselves.

A President does not need a state of emergency to take military action. The War Powers Act gives him 60 days to do whatever he wants before he reports to them. As for keeping documents out of public view the president can do that at any time under the National Security Act.

Nothing Bush or Obama has done is directly related to the State of Emergency.

reply to post by SomeoneWatching

Do you know who went inside those bunkers and became the maximum authority after 9/11? This is what I mean by "replaced". There was a government which everyone knew, which was elected; after 9/11 a group inside that government went underground with unprecedented power and held it for at least 6 months, without broad, public notice.

proof?

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


edition.cnn.com...:US

www.washingtonpost.com...

reply to post by Hopechest


Did they give such notice regarding the other 49-59 countries the US was engaged in along with Afghanistan? No. They're covert wars. Such wars have very seriously affected a number of countries (through the extraordinary rendition program, the sanctions and lawlessness in which covert operators do their business). Just to mention the drone strikes: they were acts of war towards Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, they have been going on for more than 60 days, yet Congress was not notified. Aren't missile strikes coming from US-controlled aircraft in the airspace of another nation acts of war? None of those nations declared war on the US or struck US soil.

reply to post by SomeoneWatching


I forget where I heard about this but I was under the impression that we always had a shadow government on duty. From a President down through a Supreme Court who are there to take over in case our regular government gets wiped out from something.

In the event that happens they would assume control until the country is stabilized enough to hold elections again.

This, of course, assumes that the American people WANT the government to continue. Based on recent polls and surveys, it appears the majority of Americans would prefer it NOT to continue.

reply to post by Hopechest


Also, take a look at this:

abcnews.go.com...

He actually notified the leadership of Congress one day before the attack.

And this:

www.dailypaul.com...

www.thenewamerican.com...

Yes, the President can order troops to battle, and if the troops leave before 60 days, Congress doesn't even need to be notified. He could do that before the State of Emergency. But I don't think it has ever been used towards so many countries. Rumsfeld talks about 50-60, but he's talking from a military standpoint. The CIA was working out a plan involving 80 nations, according to the PBS documentary, Rumsfeld's War, and the Washington Post:

www.washingtonpost.com...

Here's an old ATS thread about COG.

May provide some additional info....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks bg for the reference.

Another possible piece of the puzzle, George H. W. Bush involvement in COG planning. It was called the National Security Planning Group under Reagan, which met weekly.

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov...

In another effort to improve policy coordination during the summer of 1981, the President authorized the creation of a National Security Planning Group (NSPG) composed of the Vice President, the Secretaries of State and Defense, the Director of Central Intelligence, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the National Security Adviser. This group met weekly with the President and shaped policy prior to formal meetings of the NSC.