High Society Astors - "Poverty was our secret"

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Per Gates' riches vs. the Rothschilds. As I understand, Bill Gates (as an individual) has more money than any of the Rothschilds (individually). But the Rothschild family has much more money than the Gates family on the whole.

Originally posted by swan001
Rockefeller wrote:

For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents ... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

Okay, now that I have a little time....I'm going to re-address your comment above like I said I would. I mentioned previously that I have provided information about the true reality of these prominent families such as the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and so on. The information below is something I have posted before, but it never hurts to reiterate it as so few people really look beneath the surface of so-called conspiracy allegations.

Interesting is the "interview" with one Benjamin Fulford - conspiracy theorist extraordinaire. I encourage everyone to watch Mr. Fulford's interviews with David Rockefeller on YouTube. Mr. Fulford exhibits a behavior that I see ALL THE TIME here on ATS... He makes lots of assumptions and puts his own "spin" on things that Rockefeller actually says to make them more sinister and nefarious than they are. Why does he do this? Because the answers he gets from Rockefeller don't fit his pre-conceived conspiracy agenda, so he "spins" it to make it fit.

So what does Rockefeller ACTUALLY say?

I don't recall that I have said — and I don't think that I really feel — that we need a world government. We need governments of the world that work together and collaborate. But, I can't imagine that there would be any likelihood — or even that it would be desirable — to have a single government elected by the people of the world.

Source in Rockefeller's own words - www.youtube.com...

So who is the REAL David Rockefeller? Well, that's easy...he is a product of his upbringing...no more, no less.

John D. Rockefeller, Jr. was the only son of John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil. "Junior," as he was known, is the father of David Rockefeller.

Junior quickly absorbed the strict discipline and frugal lifestyle inculcated by his parents. "My mother and father raised but one question: Is it right, is it duty?" he would recall years later. "I took responsibility early, and, like my parents, I was serious."

Junior passed these ideals down to his children -

Concerned about the corrupting influence of wealth on his family, Junior was a very severe father. He insisted that the children keep ledgers to account for their allowances and that they only spend a third of the money earned by performing numerous chores (the other two thirds were to be donated and saved).

In 1896, Junior entered the Standard Oil offices at 26 Broadway. "I feel but little confidence in my ability to fill the position which is before me," he wrote in a letter to his mother, "but know that I am not afraid to work or do whatever is required of me, and with God's help I will do my best." Junior endeavored to find a role for himself in his father's empire, but soon grew disenchanted with the business and the controversies that had erupted around it in the early 1900s. In 1910, at the age of 36, he decided to cut all ties with the Standard Oil trust (except for two of its companies) and devote himself to philanthropy.

Source for text above - www.pbs.org...


So how did this affect David?

Rockefeller has always limited his giving to institutions directly or indirectly related to the family; for example, in 2005, at age ninety, he gave $100 million to the Museum of Modern Art and $100 million to Rockefeller University, two of the most prominent family institutions; as well as $10 million to Harvard and $5 million to Colonial Williamsburg. In 2006, he pledged $225 million to the Rockefeller Brothers Fund upon his death, the largest gift in the Fund's history. The money will be used to create the David Rockefeller Global Development Fund, to support projects that improve access to health care, conduct research on international finance and trade, fight poverty, and support sustainable development, as well as to a program that fosters dialogue between Muslim and Western nations. The New York Times estimated in November, 2006 that his total charitable donations amount to $900 million over his lifetime, a figure that was substantiated by a monograph on the family's overall benefactions, entitled The Chronicle of Philanthropy.

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Rockefeller con't:

And his children?

He married Margaret "Peggy" McGrath on September 7, 1940; born in 1915, she was the daughter of a partner in a prominent Wall Street law firm. They had six children:

1.David Rockefeller, Jr. (b. July 24, 1941) — Vice Chairman, Rockefeller Family & Associates (the family office, Room 5600); Chairman of Rockefeller Financial Services; Trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation; former Chairman of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and Rockefeller & Co., Inc., among many other family institutions.

2.Abby Rockefeller (b. 1943) — The eldest and most rebellious daughter, she was drawn to Marxism and was an ardent admirer of Fidel Castro and a late 1960s/early 1970s radical feminist who belonged to the organization Female Liberation, later forming a splinter group called Cell 16. An environmentalist and ecologist, she was an active supporter of the women's liberation movement.

3.Neva Rockefeller Goodwin (b. 1944) — Economist and philanthropist. She is Director of the Global Development and Environment Institute; Trustee and Vice Chair of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and Director of the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors.

4.Peggy Dulany (b. 1947) — Founder of the Synergos Institute in 1986; Board member of the Council on Foreign Relations; serves on the Advisory Committee of the David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies at Harvard University.

5.Richard Rockefeller (b. 1949) — A physician and philanthropist; chairman of the United States advisory board of the international aid group Doctors Without Borders; Trustee and Chair of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

6.Eileen Rockefeller Growald (b. 1952) — Venture philanthropist; Founding Chair of Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors, established in New York City in 2002. Margaret died in 1996. As of 2002, David had ten grandchildren: (by David) Ariana, Camilla; (by Neva) David, Miranda; (by Peggy) Michael; (by Richard) Clay, Rebecca; (by Abby) Christopher; (by Eileen) Danny and Adam.

One of his granddaughters, Miranda Duncan (born 1971), came to media attention in April 2005, when she publicly resigned, without disclosing reasons, from her position as a senior investigator for the UN Iraq Oil-for-Food corruption Probe, conducted by Paul Volcker, into the possible involvement of Kofi Annan and his son.

Source - www.geni.com...

Notice the pattern of PHILANTHROPY??? Do you realize how many people, average normal everyday people, have BENEFITED from the Rockefellers in positive ways???

Rockefeller is often negatively portrayed because of the quote in his memoir:

For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

People FAMOUSLY take this quote out of its context. Rockefeller is an internationalist. This doesn't mean he is all about ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT or world domination. It means that he realizes that we all live under the same atmosphere and we should all work together to live in unity. We cannot be so naive to think that what the US or any country does will not affect other people, nations, etc...

Now...the Astors (who are the subject of this thread). Someone made the comment that Aldrich doesn't count as the "important bloodline" because she was part of the "country" Astors, as opposed to the New York city Astors. Well does blood count or doesn't it?? You can't have it both ways. You can't say that the alleged 13 Bloodlines are purists and think their blood makes them akin to gods, but when the circumstances of one of those heirs doesn't fit your theory....suddenly they aren't the "bloodline" that counts!

However, for the sake of argument, let's set aside the "country" Astors and just take a good look at the NYC line. Those Astors can find their lineage traced through John Jacob Astor IV (1891-1954), known as "Jack" Astor.

Jack inherited the Astor fortune when he was 28 yrs old. That same year, he married Ava Willing from Philadelphia. Philadelphians were regarded, especially by themselves, along with Bostonians, to be the real crème de la crème of American Society. Many who were not, including New Yorkers -- who were considered nouveaux riches, concurred. Willing was known for being incredibly vain and never had a good relationship with Jack Astor. She gave birth to Vincent Astor whom she treated with shocking abuse and disdain. Ava Astor also gave birth to a girl, Ava Astor, who was publicly known to be fathered by someone other than Jack Astor.

Jack Astor divorced Ava and remarried some years later to Madeleine Talmadge Force. On return from their extended honeymoon, with Madeleine 5 months pregnant, Jack Astor died when the Titanic went down. Madeleine later gave birth to a son, John Jacob Astor VI, known as "Jakey." However, Jakey Astor was not directly named in Astor's will because he was not yet conceived when the will was updated so, as a consequence, inherited only $3 Million from the Astor estate.

That left the bulk of the estate to one Vincent Astor. Shortly before Vincent's first marriage, at age 25, he came down with the mumps which rendered him sterile. This twist of fate effectively ended the NYC Astor line, genetically speaking, being tied to the considerable Astor wealth.

So what happened to that wealth (around $1.2 Billion)? Well, Vincent Astor's third and last wife - Brooke Marshall - was placed in charge of the Astor Foundation. Brooke Astor was from an average family...not wealth. She worked at a time when many women didn't, in order to support her family. She is the antithesis of the type of individual you claim to be part of the supposed "Illuminati." She was a well-known philanthropist.

Though she was appointed a member of the board of the Astor Foundation soon after her marriage, upon Vincent Astor's death in 1959, she took charge of all the philanthropies to which he left his fortune. She served as a Trustee of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and chaired the Visiting Committee of the Metropolitan's Department of Far Eastern Art; she is credited with the idea for a Chinese garden courtyard, the Astor Court, in the Metropolitan. Despite liquidating the Vincent Astor Foundation in 1997, she continued to be active in charities and in New York's social life. The New York Public Library was always one of Astor's favorite charities, as was The Animal Medical Center. In 1988, she was awarded the National Medal of Arts. She was elected a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 1992. As a result of her charity work, Astor was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1998. Her life's motto summed up her prodigious generosity: “Money is like manure; it’s not worth a thing unless it’s spread around.”

Among numerous other organizations, she was involved with Lighthouse for the Blind, the Maternity Center Association, the Astor Home for emotionally disturbed children, the International Rescue Committee, the Fresh Air Fund, and the Women's Auxiliary Board of the Society of New York Hospital.

Source (with other sources linked therein) - Wikipedia

After the death of Brooke Astor in 2007, her oldest son from her first marriage was charged with & convicted of grand larceny and elder abuse. Even prior to her death, control of the Astor estate was taken from her oldest son and put into a trusteeship headed by Annette de la Renta (wife of Oscar de la Renta), a family friend.

Finally, the Rothschilds....

For while any family, business or industry can have a bad year, the Rothschilds, financiers of kings and princes when Europe was a royal family affair, have had a bad century.

The fortune has shrunk as world wars battered the Rothschilds' banks; revolution in Czarist Russia killed their best client, and French Socialists nationalized their Paris bank.

Some of the brightest sons went their own way to earn renown as scientists, poets and wine makers. Family feuds sent off others who, as competitors, outdid those who stayed in the fold in terms of wealth and reputation.
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Europe, meanwhile, had changed. Nations financed themselves through taxes, not loans. The Rothschilds' relationships with rulers became less exclusive, and as royal courts disappeared, less valuable. They financed Russia's southern oilfields, but then their client, Czar Nicholas II, was killed by revolutionaries.

World War I disrupted alliances. Then the Depression bore down. As Nazism took control of Germany, Austria, and in the end even France, the family withdrew. At the end of World War II Europe had changed again, half of it behind the Iron Curtain.

By the 1970's, the House of Rothschild comprised three much smaller banks, N. M. Rothschild in London, Banque Rothschild in Paris, and a Swiss bank founded by the family's most independent, and wealthiest, member, Baron Edmond de Rothschild.

In 1980, Jacob, the English branch's most highly regarded banker, left N. M. Rothschild after Sir Evelyn, its largest shareholder, rejected his proposal to reinvigorate the bank with outside money. A year later, the French Government nationalized the Paris bank and barred the Rothschilds not only from banking, but from using their family name in business.

By then, the contrast between the fortunes of Rothschilds who had made their own way, and those who had stayed strictly in the family, seemed stark.

Restoring the House of Rothschild

And take a look at the REAL work of the Rothschild family -

The Edmond et Benjamin de Rothschild Fundations focus on a number of causes like medical research, education, cultural diversity, the protection of the environment, social entrepreneurship and the preservation and transmission of skills that are part of our artistic and musical heritage.

Well-known for their involvement in the medical sector, they support healthcare and research primarily in ophthalmology and neuroscience with the Fondation Ophtalmologique Adolphe de Rothschild in Paris and a partnership with the University of Geneva. The Foundations have a profoundly multicultural approach and have given young people in difficulty access to their charity to protect Jewish children (OPEJ).

The Rothschild Heritage

The Rothschild family has a long tradition of philanthropy, starting with Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812) and his five sons. From the beginning their philanthropy was concerned with ensuring equal opportunities for disadvantaged groups across Europe. Specific areas of support include health care, housing and education. Members of the family sought to advance civil rights and to bridge cultural rifts within society. Early initiatives, such as the design and establishment of public housing projects, provided models for innovative philanthropy and best practice, helping to shape public policy.

Today, a number of Rothschild family foundations continue to operate in a wide range of fields, including medical science, housing, education and social development.

Rothschild and Philanthropy

reply to post by CIAGypsy


I commend you for looking beyond the obvious, and having the patience to explain the reasons that you do not automatically accept the now mainstream perception of the Rockefellers et all. That said, while philanphropic and that they most certainly have helped millions by their donations to causes, they do so in a way that is not entirely altruistic, moreover, as anyone who has read about these families, cannot ignore that at times that their business practices have been far from fair, and most certainly not within the natural order of things. Monopolies, hostile take overs and the such like, have possibly done far more harm than good in the grand scheme of things. In short, philanthrophy should not be mistaken for altruism. As often as not, a large, seeminly benevolent donation, is little more than a tax dodge, or off-set, and as likely again, a means of controlling wealth to the extent of social engineering.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Apologies for my post above, I can't get the words to organise correctly. I'll try edit again later.

Vision/brain mush combo.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy

Some of the brightest sons went their own way to earn renown as...wine makers.

All my favorite Rothschilds are winemakers.

Mmmmm.....mindcontrollicious.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
All my favorite Rothschilds are winemakers.

Mmmmm.....mindcontrollicious.

lol Yeah, it even sell in Quebec. Never had a chance to try a sip, though. I keep wondering... Will it taste like Switzerland? Or like England? Or perhaps Israel.

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Tanks. I will take a look at what you've posted here - it is quite detailed.

But I must also point out that your sources are friends of Rockefeller, as these media you cite as sources sit at Rockefeller's CFR.

Thanks anyway. It sounds like disinformation, but I'll investigate it further. I don't want to judge people if they are innocent.

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While I commend your OP for defending your friends.... Just because your are Friends with a Rothchild or Astor or whatever have you. Does not make you privy, by any means to there secrets. For all we know CIA~ You befriended the black sheep of the family who they purposely have on the outskirts as a polly type figure for this type of blatent attempt at dis-informing people.

Not that I don't believe you. But I don't believe you.

reply to post by sulaw


My apologies for the abrasive comment. You did, like TankGirl stated do a very good job at looking past the mainstream view of the people. Very commendable but still doesn't clear there name. Any of there names. Maybe i've read to many bloodline books on the matter but your quotes don't do any of them justice personally speaking and imho of coarse.

Best wishes~

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

Tanks. I will take a look at what you've posted here - it is quite detailed.

But I must also point out that your sources are friends of Rockefeller, as these media you cite as sources sit at Rockefeller's CFR.

Thanks anyway. It sounds like disinformation, but I'll investigate it further. I don't want to judge people if they are innocent.

I provided 3 references on Rockefeller.... One is a conspiracy theorist (anti-Rockefeller). However, I provided that link so you could hear Rockefeller's opinion on the quote IN HIS OWN WORDS. The man flat out denies the "spin" you try to put in his mouth and it STILL isn't enough for you.

I am guessing that the reference you are objecting to is PBS. Again, it's always the same with you CT'ers. It wouldn't matter if Jesus himself came down and proclaimed your theories to be lies or mistruths...you'd STILL find a way to say the "source" isn't good enough or not to be trusted.

You are blind to anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

KT,

Thank you for responding to the thread and putting your feelings out there. They are much appreciated, even if I happen to disagree.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

I commend you for looking beyond the obvious, and having the patience to explain the reasons that you do not automatically accept the now mainstream perception of the Rockefellers et all. That said, while philanphropic and that they most certainly have helped millions by their donations to causes, they do so in a way that is not entirely altruistic,

So, if you claim to have some inner knowledge about the motivations of the Rockefeller philanthropy....to the point that you state "they do so in a way that is not entirely altruistic," please....by all means....provide examples and support for your claim.

On a side (but somewhat related note), let's pretend for a moment that you had $50 million dollars at your disposal. What would YOU do with it? How is your "plan" for what you would do any different than what the Rockefellers do? Rockefeller supports causes that are important to them as human beings....just as you would.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

moreover, as anyone who has read about these families, cannot ignore that at times that their business practices have been far from fair, and most certainly not within the natural order of things. Monopolies, hostile take overs and the such like, have possibly done far more harm than good in the grand scheme of things.

Again, can you give examples?

Have you ever tried to grow a corporation? I mean...that's the reason people go into business, right? To grow something that turns into something great... Pick any industry and show me where, when you get to the top of the pack, there isn't a lot of competition? They say history is written by the victors. Same can be said in business. I am not JUSTIFYING any illegal or unethical behavior. What I AM doing, is understanding why it exists and has existed for millenia. It is part of the human dynamic to compete and become the alpha of ANYTHING. You say industries like those the Rockefellers built are "not fair" and I say that to penalize someone for learning how to become successful, under your standard, is communism.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

In short, philanthrophy should not be mistaken for altruism. As often as not, a large, seeminly benevolent donation, is little more than a tax dodge, or off-set, and as likely again, a means of controlling wealth to the extent of social engineering.

Yeah...so, under your opinion, any wealthy person caring about society or people is not real or genuine. It's just a tax dodge or something else that's shady.

Wow, the class envy doesn't coming reeking off those words, does it? That's almost its own form of racism...

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by CIAGypsy

 

While I commend your OP for defending your friends.... Just because your are Friends with a Rothchild or Astor or whatever have you. Does not make you privy, by any means to there secrets. For all we know CIA~ You befriended the black sheep of the family who they purposely have on the outskirts as a polly type figure for this type of blatent attempt at dis-informing people.

Not that I don't believe you. But I don't believe you.

Actually, I can't say I know any of the Astors...

What I am saying is that too many people want to believe the worst trash that is written about these families and that you suck in that garbage and hold onto it like a lifeboat, even when you are presented with the truth that it IS garbage.

How would you feel if someone did that to your family, sulaw? How angered would you become if I started posting stories and books and blogs saying sulaw is a pedophile and a murderer? If I tried to destroy your livelihood and reputation? Hmm.....karma can be a b**ch.

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by sulaw

 

My apologies for the abrasive comment. You did, like TankGirl stated do a very good job at looking past the mainstream view of the people. Very commendable but still doesn't clear there name. Any of there names. Maybe i've read to many bloodline books on the matter but your quotes don't do any of them justice personally speaking and imho of coarse.

Best wishes~

All within your rights.... (for now)

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
The man flat out denies the "spin" you try to put in his mouth and it STILL isn't enough for you.

Err,... Duh! Rockefeller isn't exactly the most un-biased source when it comes to determine if Rockefeller has an agenda or not. Of course he's gonna deny the whole thing, he still got a brain, you know.

You should probably check out that second link in my signature.

The Astors made their fortune by smuggling, and other nefarious activities. So sad that they lost that money

Truth be told, the idea that people living in a multi-multi-million-dollar mansion cant afford to eat is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Kind of like the guy who drives a $50k car but cant feed his kids.

Originally posted by CIAGypsy
So, if you claim to have some inner knowledge about the motivations of the Rockefeller philanthropy....to the point that you state "they do so in a way that is not entirely altruistic," please....by all means....provide examples and support for your claim.

A great example would be Rockefeller funding Eugenics on American soil. I don't know about you but I'm opposed to nazism.

source: en.wikipedia.org...

Quote:

The Rockefeller Foundation supported both the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Psychiatry and the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity and Eugenics.

Here's the KWI's personnel:

Important Personnel

The Kaiser Wilhelm Society was composed of high-level representatives or liaisons with the German government, as well as industrialists and financiers. These also included people with political contacts (especially during the Third Reich, people who insured that National Socialist attitudes would prevail at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institutes.) Later on, during the Nuremberg War Criminal Trials, interlocking directorates expressing political, financial and governmental direction were discussed and are precisely what existed at the Kaiser Wilhelm Society. In terms of the actual work accomplished at the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes, the most important institute was the KWI-A. This was reflected in the fact that the KWI-A was the only institute with a "W" classification (Wehrwirtschaft; important for a wartime economy).[1] It was first directed by Eugen Fischer (1927-1942), then Otmar von Verschuer (1942-1945), until the Kaiser Wilhelm institutes were renamed Max Planck institutes.
[edit]Eugen Fischer
Anthropologist. First director of the KWI-A. Worked primarily in the area of race eugenics, an area of work that straddled both the Second Reich (in German South West Africa) and the Third Reich. His areas of specialization included Bastard studies (see Rhineland bastard), the name then in use for the offspring of mixed races. He coordinated his work with fellow International Federation of Eugenics Organizations member Charles Davenport. Even before Fischer formally became a Nazi in 1940, he devoted himself to directing various programs identified with the Nazi agenda, including twin study, sterilization, and euthanasia (Action T4). Prior to his retirement from the KWI-A in 1942, Fischer prepared the transition of leadership from himself to Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, the second Director of the KWI-A, partly through a shift in emphasis from twin study to phenogenetics. Fischer was a racial anti-Semite. He participated in the Final Solution (volkstod) to the Jewish Question when he attended the Frankfurt Institute for the Investigation of the Jewish Question on March 27–28, 1941.
[edit]Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer
Physician, Anthropologist. Joined the National Socialist Party in 1940. Became the second director of the KWI-A. Started at the KWI-A in 1927 (under Eugen Fischer, the first Director of the KWI-A), as the director of the KWI-A Department of Human Genetics; he subsequently became director of the KWI-A Division on Twin Research. In 1935 Verschuer continued to work at the KWI-A but shifted his primary attention to the Frankfurt Institute for Genetic Biology and Racial Hygiene ('Institut für Erbbiologie und Rassenhygiene'), leading the sterilization effort in the city of Frankfurt. Verschuer once again gave his primary attention to the KWI-A in 1942, when he succeeded Fischer as Director of the KWI-A. Verschauer worked primarily in the area of twin study, with a strong interest in racial hygiene as implemented via sterilization. He was responsible for implementing the transition from twin study to phenogenetics: an approach that emphasized what modern scientists would call developmental biology. Two of Verschuer's most well-known assistants were Karin Magnussen and Josef Mengele. Karin Magnussen studied eyes from living twins at Auschwitz harvested for her by Mengele at Auscwitz. Verschauer participated in the Final Solution ('volkstod') to the Jewish Question when he attended the Frankfurt Institute for the Investigation of the Jewish Question on March 27–28, 1941. At the close of the war, Verschuer hid or destroyed the records of KWI-A activities and other activities, at his family home.
[edit]Karin Magnussen
Biologist, teacher. Researcher at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics during Germany's Third Reich, known for her 1936 publication "Race and Population Policy Tools", and her studies of heterochromia iridis (different colored eyes) using iris specimens from Auschwitz concentration camp victims (supplied by her colleague, Joseph Mengele).
[edit]Josef Mengele
Physician, anthropologist. Closely associated with the KWI-A due to his relationship with Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer. Mengele earned doctorates in anthropology from Munich University and in medicine from Frankfurt University. Verschuer was Mengele's doctoral advisor at the Frankfurt Institute for Genetic Biology and Racial Hygiene; Mengele joined Verschuer's staff as a "promising young researcher" in 1937,[2] the same year he officially joined the Nazi party. When Verschuer became Director of the KWI-A in 1942, he continued his association with Mengele. A member of the Waffen-SS, Mengele performed human experiments on inmates at Auschwitz death camp, primarily on twins (mainly children). Mengele supplied Karin Magnussen with iris specimens from Auschwitz concentration camp victims, for her studies of heterochromia iridis (different colored eyes). Mengele was the only one of the Nazi anthropologists who was prosecuted before an international court because his crimes were so obvious. He was sentenced in absentia, for he had escaped to South America.
[edit]Prosecution For War Crimes
Fischer, Verschuer, Magnussen and many others involved in medical anthropology during the Third Reich were never prosecuted as war criminals, though it was recommended several times, because it was feared that the German public would utterly lose confidence in both German science and the German medical establishment; thus, the political transition after World War II, into the Cold War, would not be disrupted. Although some of the preceding views may seem controversial, there is ample written documentation to substantiate these views. A more complete historical record continues to be impeded by the limited access provided to the public of further documentation. See Research Materials: Max Planck Society Archive.
[edit]Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and National Socialist Propaganda

Anthropobiology was used to support stereotyped views of Gypsies, Jews, Blacks, the mentally ill, and physically handicapped people. Anthropobiology utilized anthropometry: the measurement and recording of "metrics" (different physical or mental factors) which could then be used to classify people by race or value. To create reproducible anthropometric results, Hermann Werner Siemens developed a technique called "polysymptomatic similarity diagnosis ". This was initially associated with twin research, as such measurements would only be of value if they were understood to be inheritable and independent of the environment.
Stellae of characteristics measured by anthropometry were grouped into distinct stereotypes. For example, "Jews" had a particular type of nose; "Blacks" had kinky hair; "Gypsies" were always criminals; etc. However, the work done at the KWI-A used as criteria to identify races, such as:
hair color and shape
skin color
color of lanugo hairs
eye color
freckles
telangiesctasia
cornification in hair follicles
tongue creases
blood group
skulls (shape, capacity)
facial characteristics
shape of the ear
form of the hand
dactyloscopy (handprints, fingerprints)
body type
spine vertebrae types
Human race crossings
Human internal organs:
shape (heart)
stomach function
taste sensations
anterior pituitary hormone
menarche and climate
hardness of soft tissues
These stereotypes were primarily used to create propaganda support for the Lebensborn program; the sterilization program; the euthanasia program; genocide at concentration camps; deportations; and medical experimentation done by other programs such as the Waffen-SS (low pressure experiments, hyper- and hypothermia experiments, etc.). For details, see the Doctors' Trial, also known as the Nuremberg Medical Trial.

And you don't see nothing wrong with that?!

I'm afraid you didn't investigated Rockefeller's history enough.

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Ahhh....and now the subject of Eugenics comes up. So predictable... So let's talk about that too....

I'm not pretending or ignoring anything about the Rockefellers....good or bad. They supported SCIENCE...

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

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The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

Source - www.sfgate.com...

No one is ignoring this fact.... A lot of prominent financiers "fell for" the Eugenics scam. But you also cannot ignore:

From the beginning, The New School maintained close ties to Europe. Its founders had, in part, modeled the school after the Volkshochschulen for adults established in Germany. Then during the 1920s, Alvin Johnson, The New School’s director, became co-editor of the Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences. While working on this massive undertaking, Johnson collaborated regularly with colleagues in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. It was they who made him aware of the danger the Nazi movement presented to democracy and the civilized world before many in the United States had grasped the seriousness of the situation. In 1933, when Hitler came to power and began to purge Jews and politically hostile elements from German universities, Johnson responded. With the financial support of philanthropist Hiram Halle and the Rockefeller Foundation, he obtained funding to provide a haven in the United States for scholars whose careers (and lives) were threatened by the Nazis.

Source - www.newschool.edu...