Assad historical speech (06/01/2013) The TRUTH speaks

reply to post by Fichorka



if Assad is such a great guy then why are "his" people fighting him.

reply to post by paraphi


If he gave up after 60000 deads, and gave up to these extremist groups funded by the west, wouldn't you think these people died in vain? Stop letting your emotions in the way of what's really happening.

Text Everywhere this damn Al Qaeda shows up, our CIA seems to be involved. 

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


Except in New York, one September...

reply to post by RizeorDie


This thread is HILARIOUS!!! Only a communist or a moron could come to the conclusion you've just proffered.

Firstly, as per all regional politics, especially in the Islamic world, Al-Assad is from a minority group - the Alawites. The Alawites are regarded by Sunni orthodox thinkers as heretics. Secondly, Al Assad stuffs his government, military and cabinet with Alawis, excluding Sunnis from positions of power. You think that sits well with them??

That is really all that needs to be said to debunk the absurd lie that he is a "popular" leader in Syria. He is almost universally hated. The only groups that care to support him are groups which receive Alawi support i.e. non-Sunni sects, such as the small Druze and Shia communities. But, as you can see from Syrias demographics, the vast majority - 3 quarters of the population - are Sunni. They don't like being kept out of government and having their interests trodden upon by secularist-socialist atheists who form close ties with Shia Iran.

This thread is absurd. It's deafeningly propagandic, and could only possibly have an effect on those who know absolutely nothing about the politics in the region.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


A percentage of the population is affected by enemy propaganda?

Originally posted by templar knight
I wanted to throw some fact onto the equation about Syria whether Assad is a dictator or not. So these snippets are from Amnesty International Report - Syria 2011 :
- "The authorities remained intolerant of dissent. Those who criticized the government, including human rights defenders, faced arrest and imprisonment after unfair trials, and bans from travelling abroad."
- "State forces and the police continued to commit torture and other ill-treatment with impunity, and there were at least eight suspicious deaths in custody."

The list here reads as you would expect a dictator. Certainly worth a read.

Seriously?! To be honest, this sound like America under Obama!
I bet you agree that we should start killing US civilians, infrastructure and their military in order to bring "freedom" to USA. Russia and China will be first to finance FAM "Free American Army". North Korea will deploy their troops in order to bring "humanitarian aid" to desperate americans. Cuba will bomb white house to help the "freedom" fighters in USA. ETC...

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Fichorka

 

if Assad is such a great guy then why are "his" people fighting him.

Assad is not a "great" guy, but who are we to decide what will happen with Syria?

I cannot and should not believe anything we read and write without firsthand knowledge. We only see second hand info, no matter who writes it. I don't believe Amnesty International any more than I believe Assad. The truth that I can only dictate are the truths I was told and learned into believing, who even knows if any of that is true, and as our American history is "lovingly" regurgitated to us and our children we only know of the "winning" side, the "losers" never had their views written or interpreted, so who's to say what really happened ever! I do apologize for the over use of quotes, but these are terms from a matter of perspective, or relative to experience, mine alone. Bottom line innocent people are dying, we are fortunate or unfortunate enough to get the chance to speak about it. So freakin' sad isn't it? Who will ever have the answers?

reply to post by Fichorka


It's pretty much beyond question in my mind that Islamists are likely to secure power once Assad is ousted and elections happen.

The Arab world is one in this sense. From Morocco, to Tunisia, to Libya, Egypt, Gaza, Islamists are ascendant. It would be shocking (though a happy occurrence) if secularists won more seats in a Syrian parliament than Islamists.

Many think this is a "triumph" for democracy. But to people who champion "democratic values", like free speech, women's rights, gay rights, it's a moral travesty.

Some people (radicals in my eyes) like to draw a moral equivalence between our ways and theirs: who's to claim who's is better? If that's the case, what defence could we make against those who threaten our own beliefs? It's simply not a practical political stand. It may be advantageous for the moment, but what about long term? Expedient solutions often often prove spurious in the end.

Cajoling towards Islamists may make us feel "secure" where we are, all safe and cozy in America, but if were to take seriously the political strategy outlined by Muslim Brotherhood ideologues like Hassan Al Bannah and Sayd Qutb, these people will not reciprocate our moral relativism; they have no compunctions about undermining our culture, and plotting towards advancing the boundaries of Islam beyond traditional Islamic territory. In their eyes, they may "work" with us, but they are not under any illusion that both we and them are "equals" in any conversation. We are evil, and wrong, because we reject the mission of Islam.

This is a sad and a truly inconvenient truth for many people. They hate to have to consider the implications of this. In short, not until Islam is at our doorstep pounding at our door, will they wake up and face the music and take proper precautions.

Daniel Pipes pondered this back in 1983 when he wrote "in the path of God: Islam and political power". What he surely had no inkling of was the resurgence of Islam following the the Arab spring, which saw Islamists secure control of the parliament in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. And Egypt was their holy grail. What happens in Egypt (so goes the general belief) influences the rest of the Arab world. Hence, we have not seen the end of the story. Not only is Syria going to be pocketed by Islamists, but Lebanon and Jordan are next on the agenda - and King Hussein knows it.

reply to post by dontreally


Give me a break. Its proven that most of Syria would rather have Assad as their leader than any rag-tag extremist opposition. With that, the initial protests which kicked this atrocity off were from a minority of Syrians who barely represent how the entire country felt about Assad. All you need to know is that Assad is winning and hopefully he can knock off a few terrorists who wont be a threat to your country somewhere down the track.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Fichorka

 

if Assad is such a great guy then why are "his" people fighting him.

I didn't realise foreigners were Syrian nationals.

reply to post by DarknStormy

Its proven that most of Syria would rather have Assad as their leader than any rag-tag extremist opposition.

When you say something is "proven" you should follow it up with some evidence.

For instance, I pointed out that 75% of Syrians are Sunnis who have almost no footing in positions of power. Hence, the widespread opposition.

Also, the only reason the opposition doesn't have more widespread support amongst city-dwellers is because their petrified of Assad's goons. As already proven, Assad has no qualms about murdering civilians.

All you need to know is that Assad is winning and hopefully he can knock off a few terrorists who wont be a threat to your country somewhere down the track.

I don't have any fear that Assad will be a threat to Canada.

All you need to know is, Assad is from a minority group. His presence in power is as irksome and invidious to Sunnis as Saddam was to Shia, or a Chinese leader was to Malaysians, etc.

Originally posted by sspincode
Yeah! ASSad is an educated man to kill woman and kids! ASSad is loved by his blood thirsty militants! ASSad is an old puppet for Russia! this is very interesting that a killer in near down state is purging by some guys in this website.this is a shame...

I find it shameful that you will openly support funding known terrorists throughout the middle east. And don't tell me your county isn't because yous have been for decades.

shame on you for admiring a dirty killer who kills his own people and his 60.000 killed record still growing up! this is not good for ATS to publish such ASSad's supporter guys.

Do you have proof that Assad has killed 60,000 people? Or are you just assuming thats the truth because your TV told you it was right? Turn off the news channel and do some research before you make false accusations.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

When you say something is "proven" you should follow it up with some evidence.

Thats easy.

For instance, I pointed out that 75% of Syrians are Sunnis who have almost no footing in positions of power. Hence, the widespread opposition.

There is no widespread opposition. Where are you getting that from?

Also, the only reason the opposition doesn't have more widespread support amongst city-dwellers is because their petrified of Assad's goons. As already proven, Assad has no qualms about murdering civilians.

That is more lies.

I don't have any fear that Assad will be a threat to Canada.

I wasn't talking about Assad.

All you need to know is, Assad is from a minority group. His presence in power is as irksome and invidious to Sunnis as Saddam was to Shia, or a Chinese leader was to Malaysians, etc.

Its not about what group he originates from . The original protests in Syria came from a minority group. 10,000 people out of a population of over 23,000,000. 22,990,000 didn't protest against assad.

My country has around 23 Million people and the town I lived in for 15 years had 10,000 people in it. Are you saying that if my town started protesting against the Australian government that it would be a legitimate reason to pull Australia into a civil war? Do you think my country would roll over and accept that? Do you see how ridiculous this all is?

reply to post by DarknStormy

Thats easy.

ummm... and so where is the evidence?

There is no widespread opposition. Where are you getting that from?

Ok, let me introduce you to something called deductive logic. Sunnis and Shias are religious foes. It goes back 1300+ years to the beginnings of Islam. Over history, Sunnis have always ruled Shia - being the vastly larger Islami sect - 85% of Muslims are Sunni. In Syria, you have a fringe clan called Alawi. The late Ayatollah Khomeini claimed they were another Shia sect (which is hardly credible), in any case, Alawi represent a very small minority of Syrian Arabs.

Now, heres where deduction comes in. I am Sunni. I see that Al Assad has perpetually kept Sunnis out of power in order to maintain power. Because, as you may not know, admitting members of different groups, groups that oppose your leadership, may undermine your hold on power. Thus, as is well know, Assads cabinet, military and judiciary is crammed full of Alawis, granting here and there Sunnis a paltry position of authority.

Do you understand now why there is widespread opposition? Here's a syllogism for you. 75% of Syrians are Sunni. Sunnis are being kept out of power, therefore the widespread opposition I referred to is made up of that 75% Sunni majority

That is more lies.

It's quite easy to just say someone is lying. CBC 'the national' had a very interesting documentary covering the Syrian opposition. This is what all the people being interviewed claimed. And given the demographics, does it not make sense?? It does. But since you have problems thinking (for whatever reason) you just can't push yourself to believe it.

Its not about what group he originates from . The original protests in Syria came from a minority group. 10,000 people out of a population of over 23,000,000. 22,990,000 didn't protest against assad.

Of course it matters. Your posts are routinely riddled with the most obnoxious ignorance. Do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself. Look at the sectarian fighting in Iraq between shia and sunni. It doesn't matter? Or the Sunni Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan against the Shias of the region. Or the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq. Care to explain how sectarian strife matters here, but not next-door in Syria?

Your claims are s obtuse, so wrong at such an elementary, grade school level, it's insulting for myself to even bother with you. It should go without saying that tribal issues form the basis of Middle Eastern politics.

reply to post by dontreally


Because you are from Canada, and really don't know what the hell is going on in Syria, your about as enlightened as I am and from what I have seen in other posts from you, trying to debate with you is pointless simply because you share a bias standpoint like most others on this site. You think this Sunni vs Shia vs Alawite vs Christian actually has relevence in Syria.. It doesn't.

Before the uprising, Syria was a peaceful country between all ethinic groups. They lived amongst each other without an issue. Because of one group of protesters who have been funded by the West and now have terrorist elements coming in from all over the Middle East, Syria is at war. Your groups which you continue to push are not a factor and never were. They are all being slaughtered by both sides of the war.

As for the evidence, fine here it is.

Support for Assad - Video from Syria

Now, lets go into the groups who are fighting against Assad and see how great they are.

Saudi cleric and his views on Syrian women as young as 14
Same moron, different report

Sheikh Mohammed al-Arifi said that the marriages between the foreign-backed militants and Syrian women will satisfy the militants’ sexual desires and boost their determination in killing Syrians. He added that the marriages, dubbed by him as “intercourse marriages,” can be with Syrian females as young as 14 years old.

He also promised “paradise” for those who marry the militants.

Wait a minute, hes not even Syrian... Sheikh's calling for the rape of teenagers.. Do you support that?

And heres a video which was taken after Assad's speech in Homs.



The Real Friends of Syria

You can go through that entire website and find stuff that you will not see on the MSM. Your little group conflicts do not stand in Syria right now. Members from all aspects of Syria are being killed whether they are Alawites, Sunnis, Palestinians, even Christians. The FSA are not targeting one group and sparing the other. They are attacking anything they can and then putting the blame on Assad. Take from it what you will, but your research really doesn't hold any merit right now. Foreign mercenaries have flocked into Syria with the thumbs up of the West and other gulf states in the region and you think the Syrians are worried about sheddin each others blood? OK....

I think they would be more worried about one of those barbarians getting there hands on their daughters or even killing there family. I don't see the SAA running into families homes and raping 14 year olds. But the Syrians must hate Assad so much hey?

reply to post by DarknStormy

You think this Sunni vs Shia vs Alawite vs Christian actually has relevence in Syria.. It doesn't.

WOW!! Syria must be a model utopia then!!!! The first place ever where a minority can rule over a majority without the majority caring!!!!

Lets model ourselves after the socialist Baath party! Yay for the people!

You're so smart!

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

WOW!! Syria must be a model utopia then!!!! The first place ever where a minority can rule over a majority without the majority caring!!!!

The majority are happy, how many times do I have to tell you? I bet they would love there country back to the way it was prior to terrorism.

Lets model ourselves after the socialist Baath party! Yay for the people!

You're so smart!

How about we mind our own business and let Syria model itself? We are only interested because they want nothing to do with us.

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
Assad called for dialogue only after he realized that the apposing forces might just win. By then why would the rebels want to negotiate when they now have a chance to do it their way on their own terms?


Situations like this is where some people say the U.S. should stay out of others' business. But looking at it from the U.S. government perspective why not take advantage of an opportunity to turn the tables to your advantage if it can be done without stirring the pot too much?

Don't get me wrong if I was in charge I wouldn't kill women or children on purpose in the process but I can't say that I wouldn't put a few cooks in the kitchen.

This is what many countries are doing in Syria. And if those countries didn't go in there covertly like they did then Assad likely would have long smashed the resistance by now. Those governments that have their guys in there might not know full well each others objectives but they know where each other are and are staying out of each others way. Also, it is likely that some of their objectives are one and the same i.g. topple the Assad regime. And, it is likely that some of these are working together in these covert operations.

And in the end it is those governments (US, SA, UK, France and Turkey) that will be the leaders of much of the opposition forces and are now in a good position to negotiate advantages to their respective governments.

This is the way it works, no country would be left alone to have their own civil war among themselves, even if the U.S.A. went into civil war say because the government passed a law that banned guns other governments would get involved in hopes that they could turn the tides to their advantage.

This is the way it is. All that we can do is try to control our own government as much as we can by way of voting, petitioning, protesting or whatever means. Other than that speaking from an American perspective we have limited control over what our government does and we don't always agree with our governments policies, but all we can do is all we can do and the actions of our government is largely out of our hands. The U.S. government is going to reach as far as they can within the boundaries set forth by the laws enacted by the people and THEN go a kilometer further.


-Alien

Wow, Assad has been losing according to the UN, for many, many months. From what I've heard, a couple of weeks ago was the first time Assad actually managed to take back some of Aleppo.

Let's not pretend that the U.S.A wants to avoid stirring the pot; they don't GIVE A #. When Israel says jump.. Not to be anti-semitic or anything; but it is obvious that America is deeply in bed with Israel. America is willing to go beyond all reason to defend Israel.

America gives no #s about the Syrian people. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. If America cared about human rights violations it wouldn't have harbored nazi scientists. If America cared about people, it wouldn't have drones flying around Pakistan killing innocents.

America is guilty, Assad is guilty, the whole #ing world is guilty of something. We are all individually guilty of letting this stupid # happen time and time again. I bet you any amounts of money if you went and surveyed the Syrian people who are still trapped in the middle of the war they wouldn't understand why the war was really happening; they'd have just as much clue as us, here on ATS.

The people do not start wars without a leader, without guidance, without support.