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Castro fell during a speech and got hurt

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posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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I just heard that Fidel Castro fell during a speech and might have broken an arm and/or leg...
Heard it on the radio.
Anyone heard anything?



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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Didnt hear it, but im glad. He deserves to get hurt.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:05 PM
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ja mate it was on CNN and he was joking about his death and stuff and he disregarded the claim and said he wanted to know what type of burial he would get. Heres the link


Castro

Mod Edit: made Link Shorter


[edit on 10/20/04 by FredT]



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:18 PM
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It will be a good thing when the marxist dictator of the Cuban utopia finally dies and we cigar smokers can legally get our hands on Cuban cigars. As soon as the embargo is lifted, I'm going to fire one up ASAP.

[edit on 04/10/20 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Shall we count the mistakes?


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It will be a good thing when the marxist

One- Castro runs and has always run his governmet through Stalinist practices.


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
marxist dictator

Two- This is what I like to call an oxymoron seeing as how Marxism is a
democratic classless and governmentless society.


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
of the Cuban utopia

Three- Cuba is no utopia by anybodys standards, furthermore Marxism does not claim to create any sort of utopia.


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
finally dies and we cigar smokers can legally get our hands on Cuban cigars. As soon as the embargo is lifted, I'm going to fire one up ASAP.

[edit on 04/10/20 by GradyPhilpott]

FOUR!!- His life or death should be meaningless seeing as how the embargo is the result of immoral and illegal US policies.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:40 PM
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Thank you for correcting me on the nuances of communism. If it weren't for your astute explanation, I might have never realized the difference between marxism and stalinist practi...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[edit on 04/10/20 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Thank you for correcting me on the nuances of communism.

Actually more like basics but call it what you like.


Originally posted by GradyPhilpott If it weren't for your astute explanation, I might have never realized the difference between marxism and stalinist practi...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[edit on 04/10/20 by GradyPhilpott]

Mature, really. And I was simply correcting your flaws, they just happened to deal with Marxism and Stalinism.



posted on Oct, 20 2004 @ 11:49 PM
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Socrep, I come to the defense of this government on this one.

Fidel Castro is a first class dictator who harmed a lot of Cubans and by his own hand destroyed that beautiful island paradise. Did you expect this government to help his cause with the Russians? I fully agree with this government that shutting him off is the only way to stop his horsey.
And this goes back to JFK.

Do you want to help the communists?
He could rot there for all i care, and so can the Fidel loving Cubans- too bad a small percentage of the older ones knew the real Cuba, and im sure they wish they were free.
I do not, however, under any circumstances condone an attack on Cuba as I do not with Iraq.
Let him sit there and rot, i say. There's no oil in Cuba, and Bush doesnt smoke



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Socrep, I come to the defense of this government on this one.

BA-BLAM (sorry I just felt like doing that)


Originally posted by dgtempe
Fidel Castro is a first class dictator who harmed a lot of Cubans and by his own hand destroyed that beautiful island paradise.

I agree completely.


Originally posted by dgtempe
Did you expect this government to help his cause with the Russians?
I fully agree with this government that shutting him off is the only way to stop his horsey.
And this goes back to JFK.

I in no way expect the government to help neither Cuba nor any other dictorial nation. But that doesn't change the fact that the embargos placed upon Cuba are downright illegal in their nature. Also considering the fact that we only seem to pick on Cuba because they are "communist" even though there are far more brutal and unjust capitalist dictators within South America which we have put in power and supported. It is hypocritical to embargo a nation because it is a dictatorship and yet implement and support dictatorships in the very same regions.


Originally posted by dgtempe
Do you want to help the communists?

Yes I do want to help communists but Cuba isn't communist and I don't really want to help Cuba. But I am forced to take its side on this particular issue.



Originally posted by dgtempe
He could rot there for all i care, and so can the Fidel loving Cubans- too bad a small percentage of the older ones knew the real Cuba, and im sure they wish they were free.

Castro could rot for all I care as well but it isn't the United States place to intervene in every country where the citizens don't support the leader. If Cubans want Castro out they should rise up and throw him out.


Originally posted by dgtempe
I do not, however, under any circumstances condone an attack on Cuba as I do not with Iraq.
Let him sit there and rot, i say. There's no oil in Cuba, and Bush doesnt smoke

Funny
, but I would have to condone an attack on Cuba seeing as how they pose no threat to the United States as of now (same as with Iraq but thats another subject
). Any attack on Cuba right now simply because we disagree with them would just be another attempt from the US to impose its imperialistic policies on the world, and as much as I hate Cuba I just couldn't accept that.

Off to zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

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posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 01:31 AM
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Rember when bush fell off of that segway,,,,hehe....he also fell off of a bike a while back.I think that is classic, but falling off of a segway



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 04:32 PM
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There is also an ATSNN story on this now...
NEWS: Castro breaks knee, arm in fall



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Fidel Castro is a first class dictator who harmed a lot of Cubans and by his own hand destroyed that beautiful island paradise.


Were things much better when Fulgencio Batista was in charge? The American mafia could operate its casinos in Cuba while the people faced Batista's repressive dictatorship. It could be said that America had an indirect role in putting Castro in power.

www.historyofcuba.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.trincoll.edu...
www.fff.org... (libertarian-bias source)
library.thinkquest.org...



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Otts

Originally posted by dgtempe
Fidel Castro is a first class dictator who harmed a lot of Cubans and by his own hand destroyed that beautiful island paradise.


Were things much better when Fulgencio Batista was in charge? The American mafia could operate its casinos in Cuba while the people faced Batista's repressive dictatorship. It could be said that America had an indirect role in putting Castro in power.

www.historyofcuba.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.trincoll.edu...
www.fff.org... (libertarian-bias source)
library.thinkquest.org...
Yes, odd as it may seem, things were a hellof a lot better with Batista. Batista was into many things but people had their freedom, their businesses, their homes were theirs (not the governments) and Cubans lived with it. Ask any Cuban, and they will tell you they'd rather have 10 batistas, than 1 Castro.
Ahhhh, life was a dream back then. I will tell you, i come from a family of many self-made millionaires of pre-Castro Cuba. All was lost when Castro took over everything. But coming to the this land was also good for my family. Before long, with their business savy, they became owners of one of the largest businesses in Florida.
Of course, we're all waiting for his death. It should be a painful death and a slow one.
Did i hear you right? Did you say Castro isnt communist?



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Didnt hear it, but im glad. He deserves to get hurt.


OMG I think this is the 1st time ever, that we agree on something.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Did i hear you right? Did you say Castro isnt communist?

Exactamundo my friend. Castro, Cuba, any other nation to have ever existed...none were communist. And in case you have any doubts heres a handy dandy basics list!
A. Any form of communist government (an oxymoron buy that shall be adressed later) must be preceeded by a stage of international socialism and the immersion of the workers. Lact time I checked that didn't happen.

B. Communism is a democratically controlled governmentless society with the power completely in the hands of the workers. Cuba on the other hand is a dictorial government with all the power in the hands of one man.

C. capitalism and communism cannot co-exist because they are two completely different socio-economic stages. Soo Cuba cannot be communist.

D. Fidel Castros not a hipster.


And there is my handy-dandy list of reasons why Cuba is not communist.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 09:38 PM
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Socrep, you're right and wrong. If you want to stick to the true and exact definition of Communism, you're right. If you want to go by what the world percieves as a communistic regime, you're wrong.

Lets say its a dictatorship with communistic undertones. Thats how Russia saw it, its how Red China sees it, and its how Fidel wants to be seen, as a Communist.
Maybe a right winged communist???



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Socrep, you're right and wrong. If you want to stick to the true and exact definition of Communism, you're right. If you want to go by what the world percieves as a communistic regime, you're wrong.

Well that is the problem that myself and basically every other actual communist is trying to fix, the way the world precieves communism. For a quite some time it has been imbued into peoples minds that USSR=bad, USSR=communism, communism=bad when that is in no way the case. One of the major goals of Marxist/communist organizations right now is educating people on the reasons as to why they are completely different. Stalin himself was probably the biggest enemy and traitor communists have ever had and as such is the most hated and despised man of communists but yet his name is still directly associated with it. I guess you can now see why we want this status changed. That is one of the large reasons I am arguing this.


Originally posted by dgtempe
Lets say its a dictatorship with communistic undertones.
Thats how Russia saw it, its how Red China sees it, and its how Fidel wants to be seen, as a Communist.

meh...it can be considered that such countries had certain aspects of socialism/communism, but many things were polar opposite and having a few doesn't amount to it actually being. For example the United States has such things as, welfare, social security, healthcare, etc. These are all originally socialist ideas meant for a socialist society. The US and many other first world countries have adopted these to lessen some of the more repressive aspects of capitalism but does having them make those counties necessarily socialist and or communist?


Originally posted by dgtempe
Maybe a right winged communist???

There can actually be conservative/libertarian communists (I have met a few
) but on the political spectrum such nations as USSR, Cuba, etc would probably be considered authoritarian leftist.

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posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Socrep, I see your point.

You're very educated as to this matter.
There's never been a real form of communism. Just mickey mouse or wanna be communists, huh?
Thanks for setting me straight.



posted on Oct, 21 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Socrep, I see your point.

You're very educated as to this matter.
There's never been a real form of communism. Just mickey mouse or wanna be communists, huh?
Thanks for setting me straight.

Just here to help.
And thank you as well for being open minded and civil.



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 12:06 PM
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Guess they better have another Castro double to put in place, eh?
Good luck finding another Alexis Papagos (installed 1981)


[edit on 22-10-2004 by Gazrok]



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