A new country in North America? What do Canadians and Americans make of this?

Originally posted by KarmaComa
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

you perfectly said it.

France is linked to Quebec via the Francophonie, same language & culture heritage.
Now, Quebec is Canadian, France is French, and that's it.

There always is more in politics. Very importantly, we know that the separatists have been courting other French-speaking nations, because an important moment in becoming an independent nation is official recognition by other countries, especially its trading partners.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Hefficide

 

I take it you're Canadian? What's the backstory to all this? Any official headlines about this deal with forming an independent nation as a stepping stone to a united front?

And what's all this got to do with America? I'm a little lost here.

edit on 1-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Can you not read? Have you ever use google before?

I'm Canadian, I live in Vancouver and Quebec separating doesn't have anything to do with good things happening for the Quebecois people, It's about destabilizing Canada and bringing about the North American Union, it always has been. Canada has never been a sovereign nation, we were ruled by the Brits until the mid 60's and then we were intimidated and pushed into accepting policies by the US in the 80's during NAFTA.

NAFTA was the final nail in the coffin for Canada, Mulroney screwed us they same way Regan and Thatcher were screwing their countries at the same time.

They are trying to divide us, French this, Anglo that, who cares? Start to think critically cause they have been pushing this agenda for a long time. This is just a piece of the puzzle.

Only this time, the vast majority of the youth (18-29) WILL VOTE and is mostly positioned for the independence of Québec. The souverenist movement has been resurrected, and with it the hope of an independent République du Québec. (I wish for a socialist republic of Quebec but whatever...)

So Quebec wants to be independent from the rest of Canada? Does Quebec have a problem with the rest of Canada, and if so, what would that be?

reply to post by Propulsion

It's historical. Culturally, religiously, linguistically they have been different and have felt exploited, demeaned and ridiculed. There is some truth in all their arguments. However when they decided that to be a loyal patriot and create unity amongst themselves, they had to blame the federal government and then that attitude became entrenched. But relax, there will be no separation for a while at least. It just isn't financially feasible.

reply to post by wrdwzrd

I think you are right. Separation of Québec from Canada is a situation that operates on at least two different levels. One is the context of North American politics and the other is the context of Canadian politics.

In the North American context the fragmentation of Canada serves the pan-nationalist interests of the globalists. It's the old "divide and conquer" mentality that has been used to destroy the family, the tribe, the nation the unity of peoples around the world disguising the real intent of such initiatives as "separatism", "self determination", "democracy", that intent being oligarchical control and exploitation.

Egypt and Libya are perfect examples. The aspirations of minority groups within those countries were used to change the control oligarchy from one set of oligarchs to another.

This happens over and over in the world. Dupes and stupes from the ordinary population are used as tools by a group of exploiters to wrest overall control of resources away from the current controllers, the actual living standards of the population being only a secondary consideration. Libya was all about that kind of outrageously cynical manipulation.

In the Canadian context, the Prime Minister is caught between the interests of the globalists and the interests of those who want a Canada where Canadians have some say in the things that matter to them. The last Canadian Prime Minister who did a convincing imitation of a canadian prime minister was Jean Chretien.

The succeeding PMs have been unashamed globalists.

A Canadian Prime Minister, faced with the prospect of separation by a province would issue a statement making the claims of Canada in the situation very clear. We have come close to that kind of statement being made in the past, but it has never been stated baldly, accompanied by a proposed map of the borders between Canada and Quebec.

The Canadian strategy so far could be boiled down to "jolly them along" and hope that demographics, economics, linguistic realities and historical developments cause separatism to wither on the vine and disappear.

I don't know if that is going to work this time. I thought it interesting that France24 was calling the student demonstrations earlier this summer, the printemps érable or in English the maple spring.

That has a very ominous ring to it, considering recent history. Is Canada being set up for a fall?

Originally posted by aboutface
reply to post by Propulsion

 

It's historical. Culturally, religiously, linguistically they have been different and have felt exploited, demeaned and ridiculed. There is some truth in all their arguments. However when they decided that to be a loyal patriot and create unity amongst themselves, they had to blame the federal government and then that attitude became entrenched. But relax, there will be no separation for a while at least. It just isn't financially feasible.

How would they stand up militarily? If they become their own country, would they be able to stand on their own?

I can't find one single word about the shooting, assassination attempt(?), on Pauline Marois in this morning's edition of the Toronto Star.

Earlier in the day I was listening to 640 AM, talk radio for mooks, when John Oakley told us all that he wasn't going to talk about the Quebec election, because "Nobody wants to talk about that." (Approximate quote.)

Canada, the land that never was. Cuckoo . . . cuckoo . . . cuckoo.

I wish I lived in an alpine cabin in Switzerland sometimes.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Yes sir, I agree with you fully. I think Canada is being set up for a fall. One step closer to the end game. If you haven't seen the CBC mini-series Trojan Horse, check it out.

www.cbc.ca...

Take care and stay sharp!

reply to post by ExNihilo


seeing Im around this Area you Speak of I doubt it will Happen .. Why USA and Canada Would have to reconize that Akwasasne ( Mokawk Indian Territoys ) would be be Concidered a Pure Sovereign Nation
as Mohawks on Both sides of the Boarder have been trying for the last 2 centuries
as it Lies between both Countrys and USA and Canada Uses the Land (Cornwall island ) as Bridge Platform

There has been talks for decades but I doubt it would happen IMO a Nation within a Nation

reply to post by Propulsion

I think they would have to remain under NORAD and God knows what else. I just don't know about military stuff, but someone brought it up earlier in the thread.

mexico = cheap labor
America = highway
Canada = resources

But yeah, I'd be strongly against a Union.

Militarily it is a race between the PQ and the Anglos in Munchreal to see who can pledge themselves to Al Qaeda first.

reply to post by ExNihilo


There is a good chance that Manitoba, Saskatchewan(sorry if i mispelled it), Alberta, and possibly BC as well might secede and join the U.S. It also wouldn't be surprising if Yukon/Nunavut/NW territory secede and become either their own country or become U.S. states or part of the State of Alaska. This would leave Ontario and the Maratimes. I'm American and so only have an amatuer's understanding of Canadian politics, and I don't advocate the dissolution of Canada, but this is how I see it going down if Quebec secedes.
Wonder if the Central Govt. in Ottawa would fight to keep the collapse of Canada from happening?

reply to post by Antonio1

I'm in my early 60s and I have to tell you, if I want a taste of the cultural values I grew up with as a Canadian, I have to get them from Quebec, from the Jewish community or from the Aboriginal community, all communities somewhat segregated in modern Canadian society.

Canada has already seceded from itself and joined the United States, in reality, as far as cultural values go.

There used to be a radio program on CBC radio called Our Native Land. It was hosted by an aboriginal broadcaster, Brian Marical (Sp?), I believe, and it was the most authentic voice of the values I grew up with in the media.

Naturally CBC got rid of that show fast.

Canada is long gone. Canadians don't have what it takes to be independant. They aren't the Aboriginals, they aren't the Jews and they aren't the Quebecois.

What are they? Cross border shoppers.

I don't watch TV. I'm a YouTube watcher and get most of what I need that way. However, I do listen to the radio here in Toronto, mostly to AM 640, talk radio mostly for mooks, the Fan 590 with Bob McCown for intelligent sports talk,
680 all news for updates in the most annoying format imaginable and 610 St. Catherines if I want to hear a traditional news broadcast and Larry Fedorik (Sp?) for light chatter.

However . . . far and away the best radio station in Toronto, without question, without peer, is the French language service of Radio Canada. This is Canadian radio as it should be, servicing the French language people of Ontario, our wonderful Franco-Ontarians, the most pampered and cossetted radio listeners in the province. The French language radio service of the CBC makes all the other radio stations in the area, with the exception of Bob McCown's program on the Fan 590, look . . . let's just say, inadequate.

Bottom line. We have cultural issues in this country.

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I'm surprised that it took this long, I mean . . .
that I expected that the French colonialists and also the
Native Indians would have taken major offense from
the moment that prime minister steven harper took
down the sovereign-wall at parliament, and replaced
it with a portrait of the british queen
Just from that act alone set the stage for separation.
Canada is not a british colony and the conservatives
need to be reminded of this ! !
I put the blame directly on steven harper.

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reply to post by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by ToneDeaf
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I'm surprised that it took this long, I mean . . .
that I expected that the French colonialists and also the
Native Indians would have taken major offense from
the moment that prime minister steven harper took
down the sovereign-wall at parliament, and replaced
it with a portrait of the british queen

Just from that act alone set the stage for separation.
Canada is not a british colony and the conservatives
need to be reminded of this ! !
I put the blame directly on steven harper.

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Canada is a commonwealth country i.e. the head of state of Canada is the Queen Elisabeth.

reply to post by luciddream


Absolutely agree Lucid, I was at a place and a guy asked me a question in french, I replied 'what?', 'I don't know french.' then he asked me the question 10 more times before he said it in english angrily. I stick by the fact that if you don't speak french don't go to Quebec, unless your going on an altercation vacation and then your in the right place.

If they leave us, they will go bankrupt.

Are they really that naive to think they would make it as a seprate country in this turbulant economy?

Theyre dollar would drop, there loans would skyrocket in interest, they would have to pay there own health care and benefits, and theyre trading would be impacted the most. Why buy quebec goods when we could support canada?

We will stop lableing our food with french. And French pickers everywhere will be treated like the scummy dirty hippies they are. And they would have to get work visas and compete with the mexicans. Sounds good to me.

In the long run, Canada will turn its back on them. And when they fall, we will leave them there on the ground.

Have fun being the north american Mexico. And bringing the hate of generations to come who see you seperatist actions as selfish, cowardly and insulting.