Over 100 Million Now Receiving Federal Welfare -- The Most Ever !

Originally posted by DAVID64
And that it juuust the way Obumer wants it. He wants people to be afraid not to vote for him, because someone else may take away their free ride. They may have to, GASP!!, get a job and actually work for a living.
I understand needing a helping hand, but I detest generations of welfare families because it's easier to get welfare than work.

I have my own little company. One of the places I sell is at a local Farmer's Mkt. My products would fall into the category of luxury personal items. Last week, I had a person try to make a $50.00 purchase with a WIC card. I turned them down, said go buy food for your family, that's what it's for. They got mad at me...

Des

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

Exon mobile made 16 billion in profit last year, they paid zero in taxes and got several hundred million in a return.

Also GE...... in 2010 made a profit of $14.2 billion but paid zero in taxes. And also received a few million in return.

Do they realize if these corporations paid their fair share of taxes, that it would help towards the deficit?

In 1975 there were about 11 companies that didn't pay taxes. Now the number has tripled or more from 2008 to 2010.

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by DAVID64
And that it juuust the way Obumer wants it. He wants people to be afraid not to vote for him, because someone else may take away their free ride. They may have to, GASP!!, get a job and actually work for a living.
I understand needing a helping hand, but I detest generations of welfare families because it's easier to get welfare than work.

I have my own little company. One of the places I sell is at a local Farmer's Mkt. My products would fall into the category of luxury personal items. Last week, I had a person try to make a $50.00 purchase with a WIC card. I turned them down, said go buy food for your family, that's what it's for. They got mad at me...

Des

It makes me sad that I'm not surprised. Some stores will sell beer, cigs, whatever, just to get the money.

Its shameful that this is happening. We are the land of plenty.. so plentiful that we give away tons and tons of food and billions and billions in aid to others.. even those that hate us.. and we let our own starve. I have to say if this is a plan.. it will fail in making slaves. Its going to make a multitude of pissed off folks.

I volunteer at our local shelter on rotation. Im telling you, its nothing to see folks who used to donate coming in now. Food stamps dont pay crap and food prices are ridiculous. They run out and HAVE to visit the pantry. It makes me angry. Our pantry is holding on by a thread.. we are many times completely empty and have to turn the hungry away. Charities are totally strapped.. no energy assistance and no free air conditioners. Our elderly poor are dropping and come in just to stay cool. Makes me sick.

Okay, so if the Democrats want everyone on "welfare", would it be plausible to assume that Republicans want everyone on a Slaver Corporate "welfare"?

reply to post by SyphonX


It is a mistake to assume that both parties are not after the same thing which is an aggregation of power. Corporatism is a means to that end, as are welfare programs.

Henry David Thoreau once argued that we should take from government what we can and ignore them for the rest. I counter that argument with, take nothing at all from the government and good luck in ignoring them.

reply to post by neo96


The $5 Trillion War on Terror
nation.time.com...

Five trillion dollars: that’s $16,000 per American; $64,000 for a family of four.

The final tally of the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan will reach at least $3.7 trillion, and could go as high as $4.4 trillion, according to a study done by Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies. Borrowing the money needed to fight the wars will cost an estimated additional $1 trillion through 2020, according to the study.

They only counted 3 countries. We are in over 160 countries around the world fighting the war on terror.

Did 9/11 Cause the Financial Crisis?
prospect.org.../11_cause_the_financial_crisis

When I spoke to Harvard economist Linda Bilmes about the costs of 9/11, Bilmes stressed the far-reaching effects of 9/11 -- a chain of events leading to Iraq and Afghanistan, then boomeranging back in the form of rising oil prices, which led the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates. As Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz wrote in Slate last week, while the Fed's monetary policy between 2002 and 2005 helped mask the economic toll the wars were taking on the economy, it "[engineered] a housing bubble that led to a consumption boom." As we all know, that bubble burst by September 2008.

It may seem far-fetched to count the country's response to 9/11 among the causes of the financial crisis, but let's start from the beginning. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, interest rates were at an already low 3.5 percent. A few weeks later, the Fed cut them to 2.5, saying that "the terrorist attacks have significantly heightened uncertainty in an economy that was already weak." By the end of 2001, interest rates were less than 2 percent, fell further through 2003, and stayed low as the Fed tried to buoy consumer demand after oil prices shot up, largely in response to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commissions (FCIC), the bipartisan group asked by Congress to determine the causes of the crisis, wrote in its final report that in that during this time, "money washed through the economy like water rushing through a broken dam. Low interest rates ... helped fuel the boom."

One of the consequences of money flowing through the economy, combined with low-interest rates, was that banks were able to entice homebuyers with adjustable-rate mortgages that had low interest rates in the short term. But the Fed couldn't -- and didn't -- keep rates down forever. When they shot up starting in 2005, mortgage payments followed. Then the defaults began, and soon banks' balance sheets were wiped out. After September 2008, the economy lost $648 billion to slower economic growth; the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) cost taxpayers $230 billion; declining home-values cost homeowners $3.4 trillion; and the stock market lost $7.4 trillion in value.

And thats not everything that has been effected by the War On Terror. The list just goes on.

Okay. I'll be "that guy".

Austerity now.

Before it's too late.

reply to post by Destinyone


Right On!

maybe they thought about it. See, thats the kind of local community action we need.

Support your local market!

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Where does government propose to get the money to keep paying these people, and the ones to follow, when the top 1% of tax payers, are chased out of this country. Chased out just like business to other countries, by piled-on regulations by government agencies, such as the EPA. And ever greedy Unions. Every day sees new regulatory commissions put into effect like a vice grip, squeezing more money out of businesses, through fines, and new taxes.

How are all those people, going to be paid all that money, when the money makers and tax payers are gone.

Pathetic I tell you....absolutely pathetic.

Des

Yes because Americans and Europeans who employ their rights to get a fair shakr are the problen, not buisnessmen who take their buisness where repressive regimey keep the rights of the population in check and wages so low, from a material point of view its better to be a black in the era of slavery.

reply to post by Cassius666

from a material point of view its better to be a black in the era of slavery.

Yeah, don't you miss those really kind and magnanimous slave holders? You got to ask yourself just what the hell was Dredd Scot thinking? I mean Frederic Douglas could sure turn a phrase but if he really knew what Marx knew and applied it today, he would be singing the praises of slavery instead of railing against it.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.

~Frederick Douglas~

Marx never came close to such eloquence and never knew near the struggles Douglas speaks of.

Originally posted by xuenchen
It looks like around 107 million people are receiving some form of Federal welfare !!

AND, that don't include Social Security or Medicare !!

1/3 of the U.S. population !!
(The figures include citizens and non-citizens)

Is this what YOU Really want for this country ??

It looks like Obama and the Democrats do....

The Weekly Standard -- Aug 8, 2012

A new chart set to be released later today by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee details a startling statistic: "Over 100 Million People in U.S. Now Receiving Some Form Of Federal Welfare."

"The federal government administers nearly 80 different overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs," the Senate Budget Committee notes. However, the committee states, the figures used in the chart do not include those who are only benefiting from Social Security and/or Medicare.

Food stamps and Medicaid make up a large--and growing--chunk of the more than 100 million recipients. "Among the major means tested welfare programs, since 2000 Medicaid has increased from 34 million people to 54 million in 2011 and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, or food stamps) from 17 million to 45 million in 2011," says the Senate Budget Committee. "Spending on food stamps alone is projected to reach $800 billion over the next decade."

(source article)
What Now?

How can we keep up the payments on this ??

Ya, whatever, the chart really shows it,...

... from 96 mil to 100+ mil,... big jump I tell ya.

Whatever.

(shoulda been news years ago)

Want to reduce the amount of people on government assistance in the US?

1. Introduce a fair tax system they has the rich paying what they owe. End loopholes for Romneyhood and his like.

2. End corporate welfare.

3. Raise the minimum wage.

4. Promote unionization.

5. Build an economy that strengthens the middle class. End the corporate oligarchy.

6. Invest in education for all. Install a universal, single payer health care system.

There's a lot more to do, but these would do wonders for American society and the American people.

Originally posted by beezzer
Okay. I'll be "that guy".

Austerity now.

Before it's too late.

Beeze...only if it starts at the top...and how do we make that happen. Try and force a financial diet on this voracious bloated government that only sees us, the taxpayers, as an endless buffet table.

We are close approaching the time, where all will be fighting for the meager scraps left...

Des

I'm sorry guys but this is normal for a Great Recession. Do you think that half of these people really want to be collecting benefits. There is a shortage of jobs for people to work at in this country right now, most of the jobs that were paying a livable wage and insurance benefits were exported. This information is deceiving because a lot of these people are children receiving healthcare benefits because people don't have insurance and are still in the guidelines for their kids to be insured. Some people receive just a little foodstamps but it's enough so they can survive. People with good jobs have no clue what the other sixty+ percent in this country live like. This renamed Depression is as bad as the Great Depression was but the government is better at hiding things this time. The crash is just being pushed off into the future a little because the problems aren't being addressed properly. I predict that most people will lose most of their money they have invested before this thing comes to an end, Wallstreet hasn't fixed their policies and promotes risky ventures as sound investments.

800 billion last year

800 billion this year

800 billion next year

and on, and on, and on

Nah, Military Spending is for "saving" this country

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by beezzer
Okay. I'll be "that guy".

Austerity now.

Before it's too late.

Beeze...only if it starts at the top...and how do we make that happen. Try and force a financial diet on this voracious bloated government that only sees us, the taxpayers, as an endless buffet table.

We are close approaching the time, where all will be fighting for the meager scraps left...

Des

The reliance on government has to start somewhere. It won't work, starting at the top. It has to come from the individual. Get rid of this "group think" scocialist crap. Individuals are going to have to become that; individuals.

No more reliance on government. Period.

Our government was not desgned to be a safety net for millions. It's not that type of government. At least, it didn't used to be.

The representtive republic that we all knew and loved is gone. It is transitioning into a scocialist-state in order to "take care" of all who need help.

When we stopped helping ourselves, when we stopped relying on ourselves, we gave the country away.

We have millions living in FEMA camps now.. Only they used to be called homes.
We have millions geting government food. It used to be called food stamps.

Don't trust the top to do the right thing.
Don't trust the government to do the right thing.

Trust yourselves.

reply to post by beezzer


All that you say is true. Brings me full circle to the only way I can say *stop* to government. I stop paying taxes. They have less to bloat themselves on. I have more for me. But, it will take a whole bunch more than me reaching that same decision, to have any impact.

Des

reply to post by beezzer


Self government is the most reviled form of government on the planet. There are actually those who advocate slavery as a kinder gentler form of "employment". I say self government and thousands, maybe more, will read this and see anarchy. It does indeed start with the individual, but even a majority of those individuals stop taking a single dime from government, that is only half of the equation.

In 1913 the national debt was just a little under $3 billion. Nearly 100 years after the passage of the so called "income" tax that national debt is nearly $16 trillion.

It's not just refusing to take from the government. It's a two way street and individuals are going to have to find courage of conviction to stop the government from taking from their incomes to only add to an untenable debt.

But how will we pay the debt? What collateral was used to secure this debt? Human chattel. The "income" tax was used as collateral. From where I come from that was a stupid loan to make. If you ask me to loan you $100 dollars and offer as collateral your goose that lays golden eggs, is it your fault if that goose only lays goose eggs?

Originally posted by beezzer
The reliance on government has to start somewhere. It won't work, starting at the top. It has to come from the individual. Get rid of this "group think" scocialist crap. Individuals are going to have to become that; individuals.

No more reliance on government. Period.

Sounds good sir.

I believe you mentioned you will be ex-military soon.

Will you start us off, and re-nounce your Military Pension?