American troop movements in the UK some thing going on

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has i don't know the Spanish news i can not provide a link and its not the first time i have heard about a big area with electric fences

so what are you saying then if un don't get Russia and china to agree then there not going to do anything wake man they want Syria unstable so they can go into Iran.
you want to try watching presstv live stream it mite bring you out of your bubble

reply to post by seethetruth


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

PressTV is a Iranian State mouthpiece... Wholly owned by the IRIB and they have been widely criticsied over the years from pretty much every facet of journalism as an Iranian propaganda mouthpiece

Anyhoo, yes, I am saying that without the Russians or Chinese (both actually as they hold veto's), the UN can't do jack. NATO, on the other hand, could try to go in without a UNSC mandate, but that would be contentious and would likely cause a diplomatic storm amongst NATO members.

It's all very well you sitting there saying I should get "out my bubble", but your are clearly clueless on how the world works and stuck in your own fantasy, doom-porn bubble.

reply to post by stumason


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
like i have told you before im not a doomer and gloomer i just look at the things that have happened leading up to the games the things surrounding the games and also what is been said on the news ,i watch aljazeera i watch presstv and uk news and the uk news is not real news

let me guess were you heard that presstv is the mouth piece of amadinerjacket you heard it off not at all bias british media

reply to post by seethetruth


Nope, I have actually watched many of their broadcasts, quite a few get pushed around on ATS as "proof" of some bollocks or another. I personally think you have this mindset that "Western" media is "bad", therefore any other media is "good". This is an acute failure of any kind of reasoning on your behalf.

I suppose you are aware, of course, that PressTV regulary has guests on such as Nicholas Kollerstrom or Peter Rushton, both vehement Holocaust deniers and members of White supremacist/anti-jewish groups? What about the furore surrounding Maziar Bahari? Of course, you know who this guy is and how PressTV aided the regime in broadcasting an "interview" with him when he was arrested after the 2009 demonstrations against the regime?

If you want to go to town on this, I'm game.

reply to post by stumason


like i said i dont just watch one news sorse so i am not bias i try to get the real news and as i my self have not seen anything on presstv saying the Holocaust did not happen then i am not going to comment on that ,i do know for a fact that p.o.w was staved to death in the war as my grandads brother was one of them

reply to post by seethetruth


So your just going to go and dodge the serious questions raised with regards to PressTV, their links to the regime in Tehran and their behaviour on a great many issues? But only a couple of hours ago you were extolling their virtues and that I should watch it to get out of "my bubble"....

reply to post by stumason


you are judging press tv because of what you have been told about there regime and there are a lot of other people that believe the holocaust did not happen but still does not mean there news is any less reliable than cnn bbc or any other news

Originally posted by seethetruth
i have just heard from a friend who had watched Spanish news that there is some area in London surrounded by electric fences according to the news it looked more like a prison camp than an Olympic venue,

The electric fence is part of the security procedures. Of course some elements and conspiracy media have literally blown it all out of proportion!. It is just a fence topping.

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right so it what they have put round the stadium , right with it been on Spanish news and me not been able to read Spanish i could not find the article he was referring to

reply to post by seethetruth


See, this is part of the problem. Peddling hear-say and conjecture can only lead to misunderstanding, confusion and, in this case, extreme paranoia.

As for PressTV, it's not what I have been "told", but rather having seen the crap the dole out myself. The chap I mentioned about the "interview", well he was a Journo covering the demonstrations against the 2009 election and when what he reported went counter to what the regime wanted (oddly enough what he said tallied with what Western media was saying was happening) he was arrested, tortured and made to "confess" on PressTV as to his "crimes", under penalty of death if he declined.

But if that's the type of news organisation you wasn't to listen to, be my guest. Just don't expect an easy ride when you peddle their garbage.

reply to post by stumason


there was a women killed protesting also can not remember her name but you can not take all these up risings at face value thinking that they are just the people there are foreign agents at work in some of these up risings

you tell me then why is the un so interested in backing the up rising in Syria and then not even getting involved what so ever with the Bahrain up rising when the Bahrain government has shot and killed a lot of protesters in the streets, and then gone round and locked them all up in military prisons with no trial it seems to me they are doing just what Syria are doing and what you are saying Iran is doing but yet they do nothing and say nothing

reply to post by seethetruth


The Bahrain question is easy and obvious if you are even vaguely aware of global politics.

The Family which rules Bahrain is the same family which rules Saudi, so they have protection from outside influence owing to the Saudi's own power. In fact, Saudi sent troops into Bahrain to quell the uprising. What do you expect the West to do? Attack anyway and not only risk the US Fifth Fleet, which is based in Bahrain, but also run the risk of pissing of the Saudi's who could sent the world economy tumbling just by cutting oil production...

C'mon man, don't ask others to do your thinking for you. For someone so blissfully unaware of the geo-politics at play, it is rather brazen of you to start telling others to get out of their "bubble"

Originally posted by stumason
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The Bahrain question is easy and obvious if you are even vaguely aware of global politics.


there you go the globalist agenda you hit the nail on the head there Syria and Iran are not with the global agenda and that is why they want them out of the way and that is why the Bulgaria bomb was blamed on iran and any other bombing is going to be blamed on to Iran so they have the excuse to go in there and have there global domination .

so really you know it

reply to post by seethetruth


Not really, no.

Saudi has never got on with Iran and they also hate the Bathists in Syria, which is why they are not part of the little ME club. Oddly enough, had Syria just done a few reforms and kept the people happy, they'd still be best mates with Turkey and wouldn't have problems with "the West".

The situation in Syria is entirely of their own making. If you honestly think that this is some Globalists conspiracy, where are the troops? Where are the air strikes? If there was some all powerful secret-cabal, surely it would be easy to arrange such a thing.

Same with Iran, if they just played ball instead of messing the IAEA around, they also wouldn't be bearing the brunt. They signed the NPT, so they must live up to it. It isn't some globalist agenda to "get their oil", as we've now stopped buying it altogether. It isn't some NWO fantasy, this is simply one country who is openly hostile to the West, in a region vitally important to the West, trying to develop weapons it has signed a Treaty saying it wouldn't.

Again, your over simplifying everything into "globalist agenda" or other such crap, when there isn't really one at all. Yes, there may be various forces at work in the West at least, but those same people have almost no influence over the ME, or Asia, or Russia. There are many players at the table, not one, as there always have been, and interests clash.

Your over simplification not only ignores the geo-politics of today, but also fails to take into account history. Read up such things as "the Great Game", for example to see how these things are played out.

Much of what you bang on about, such as "this is it, WW3", has been bandied around on here for years and has always come to nought. Why?

Because none of the people who espouse such theories comprehend the complexity of this geo-political game and instead boil it down into some NWO doom-porn wet dream which never, ever happens.

Please, for the love of god, put some intelligent thought into it. If you already are, your posts do not show this.

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it always makes me wonder why people like you are on sites like this ,so with out a dought you think 9/11 was what the media said it was and the building collapsed because of the planes ,
you are either in total denial about things or you are working for the government just to go on sites like this, because so far all your views on thing are what the official line is

and if Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb what make America think it has the right to say no you can not have one, when the only country in the world to ever use a bomb like that is America

and the troops will be going in to Syria they are already talking about going in because they don't want the chemical weapons getting in to the wrong hands,
at the end of the day i know what i believe is going on, so i know i am going to be on the right side not the wrong side like your good self

and i haven't bandied it around for years on here others mite have but i have not, if there is no terrorist attack over the next month were Iran is blamed and Syria end with out nato going in then i may change my view but still 9/11 was not what they say it was

nwo doom porn i find that a strange phrase so you think i get off or anybody gets off on what they think is going to happen ?
and saying put some intelligent thought in to it does not change what i think maybe it is you that needs to open your eyes and stop been scared of facing the fact the truly evil people could be running our countries

Originally posted by seethetruth
it always makes me wonder why people like you are on sites like this ,so with out a dought you think 9/11 was what the media said it was and the building collapsed because of the planes ,

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. That is called a straw man argument, matey. I am actually on here out of an interest in UFO's. I don't really give a fudge about 9/1 if I am honest, it bores me. But, for the record, I don't believe that it was a US operation with remote controlled planes and explosives planted in the towers, nor do I buy the official story but rather a third option which, again, you fail to consider. It is ironic that for someone who claims to be "open" to idea's, to only believe what you want to believe and what someone has said on the internets without any kind of evidence is moronic.

Did you ever consider that the US may have just allowed it to happen as it served a purpose? Just like Pearl Harbour, or the planned but never implemented Operation Northwood. Bet you've never even heard of that, but rather disbelieved the "official" story, so the exact opposite must be true, which seems to be how you think, which is me being rather generous as there doesn't appear to be an awful lot of "thinking" going on with you.

Originally posted by seethetruth
you are either in total denial about things or you are working for the government just to go on sites like this, because so far all your views on thing are what the official line is

Again with the black and white, must be this or that. Nothing is ever a choice between two things, get your head out your arse and engage your brain. No, I do not work with the Government, but that doesn't then mean I have to believe every conspiracy going.

Originally posted by seethetruth
and if Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb what make America think it has the right to say no you can not have one, when the only country in the world to ever use a bomb like that is America

What right? The fact that Iran signed the NPT is what gives them (and it isn't just the US btw) the right. Again, you display a staggering low level of awareness about pretty much everything in the world. In fact, I'd go so far as to say your barely out of your teens, given your typing style, mannerisms as well as your lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by seethetruth
and the troops will be going in to Syria they are already talking about going in because they don't want the chemical weapons getting in to the wrong hands,

Oh really? Show me some evidence. All we get from you is "I heard" or "someone said". Israel is the only country to have said anything about dealing with the weapons and they will do so, if the situation arises, with air strikes, not soldiers.

Originally posted by seethetruth
at the end of the day i know what i believe is going on, so i know i am going to be on the right side not the wrong side like your good self

Dude, your not the first (and certainly won't be the last) to have come on ATS to proclaim they know the truth, or have predictions about WW3 or what have you, only to be shown to totally off the mark. People have been on here claiming we're about to "invade Iran", or "WW3 is about to start" since I have been on here, so in 8 years nothing has ever come about.

Originally posted by seethetruth
and i haven't bandied it around for years on here others mite have but i have not, if there is no terrorist attack over the next month were Iran is blamed and Syria end with out nato going in then i may change my view but still 9/11 was not what they say it was

I eagerly await the end of the Olympics, so this particular phase of doom-porn can be put to bed. I am sure there will be ample opportunity, however, for future claims of imminent doom to be pushed on ATS, as usual.

Originally posted by seethetruth
nwo doom porn i find that a strange phrase so you think i get off or anybody gets off on what they think is going to happen ?

I don't think it is sexual, if that's what you're implying, but certainly there must be a particular need to want all this to come about. I admit, even I am tintilated by the prospect of some earth shattering event because, let's be honest, daily life is a bit of a grind for most so the "excitement", for want of a better word, is attractive. That is what I mean by NWO doom-porn.

Originally posted by seethetruth
and saying put some intelligent thought in to it does not change what i think maybe it is you that needs to open your eyes and stop been scared of facing the fact the truly evil people could be running our countries

My eyes are open, it is you who has closed your eyes to any and all possibilities that don't jive with your mind set. I also don't believe "truly evil people" run the country, just stupid people.

reply to post by stumason


what your on here because you believe in little green men

reply to post by seethetruth


That's the best you could come back with? I hope you're being ironic on purpose!

And yes, I do believe Aliens exist. Not necessarily visiting Earth, mind you, but given the sheer amount of planets in the Galaxy, let alone the universe, it stands to reason there must be other life out there. I thought you had an open mind" ?

I guess not

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its probably to do with me been just out of my teens ,,any way my grandad is harder than your grandad