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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
I assume light pollution would also reflect from aircraft pollution(contrails),
increasing the effects of light pollution to the observer.
Same as clouds would have the same effect.
The fact that clouds or contrails actually obscure the sky is a much greater factor than their impact on light pollution.
Consider you get light pollution on a clear day with no contrails. Nobody noticed a decrease in light pollution after the 9/11 air shutdown, or the European volcano shutdown.
Light pollution is a constant. Contrail cloud cover varies.
I thought contrails were increasing,
with the number of increased aircraft in the air.
At least that is what I have been told in these threads before.
edit on 6-7-2012 by Gmoneycricket because: is
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
I find this very interesting,
as I wonder how man made cirrus clouds,
affect rain and drought.
Does more planes equal more drought?
The number of planes (flight) has been gradually increasing.
Drought goes up and down. Here's the drought severity index for the last 100 years in Texas (lower numbers are more drought)
There's no correlation.
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
I find this very interesting,
as I wonder how man made cirrus clouds,
affect rain and drought.
Does more planes equal more drought?
The number of planes (flight) has been gradually increasing.
Drought goes up and down. Here's the drought severity index for the last 100 years in Texas (lower numbers are more drought)
There's no correlation.
I find this very interesting, as I wonder how man made cirrus clouds, affect rain and drought.
Scientists have known that El Niño reduces rainfall in the Andes.
El Nino - (El Nee-nyo) is the warming of water in the Pacific Ocean.
La Nina - (Lah Nee-Nyah) is the cooling of water in the Pacific Ocean.
Light pollution is a constant. Contrail cloud cover varies.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Uncinus
Light pollution is a constant. Contrail cloud cover varies.
The thing with light pollution is that you can escape it (or used to be able to escape it.) Jet cirrus is another matter. Like the astronomers in the first link I gave you, who concluded that eventually Antarctica will be the only good earth-bound viewing spot, I, too, have observed that jet cirrus seems to be taking over.
The plausibility and common sense factor would show that chemtrails would make no sense because it would be an uncontrollable mechanism.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
It started out talking about HAARP and what a big experiment it is on the people of the world.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
It mentioned some noises that electromagnetic waves seem able to produce and wondered at a tie-in with the noises being heard around the world and HAARP.
"The novelty is not seeing the aurora - it's the fact that we can actually create enough high-energy electrons to form plasma," said Mike Kosch, chair of Experimental Space Science at Lancaster University, UK.
The Radio Instrument Building Research Institute under the supervision of Academician A. Avramenko developed a plasma weapon capable of killing any target at altitudes of up to 50 kilometers.
For practical purposes plasma weapons have already been created in Russia. Their action is based on focusing beams of electromagnetic energy produced by laser or microwave radiation into the upper layers of the atmosphere. These beams would be able to defeat any target flying at supersonic or near-sonic speeds in the near future. A cloud of highly ionized air arises at the focus of the laser or microwave rays, at an altitude of up to 50 kilometers. Upon entering it, any object--a missile, an airplane, is deflected from its trajectory and disintegrates in response to the fantastic overloads arising due to the abrupt pressure difference between the surface and interior of the flying body.
New WMD: The most feared, controversial and best hidden weapon of modern age
Naval Sea System’s Command’s EMP assessment group is reportedly "the latest government agency to tackle the threat from an EMP." (Phillip Ewing, Electromagnetic pulse threat to be analyzed, Navy News, March 30, 2010)
So why would you be able to hear HAARP?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by adeclerk
That's really what a large part of this OP is about. The aurora has been 'heard.' People with a keener sense of hearing can certainly 'hear' the buzzing and crackling of high power installations - I can. So the best I can tell you at this point is be patient - I'll get back to you when I've figured it out.
A corona is a process by which a current flows from an electrode with a high potential into a neutral fluid, usually air, by ionizing that fluid so as to create a region of plasma around the electrode. The ions generated eventually pass charge to nearby areas of lower potential, or recombine to form neutral gas molecules.
Additional harmonics above 100 Hz or 120 Hz will be caused by the non-linear behavior of most common magnetic materials.
Of all the hypotheses, the most likely suspect, since it can be duplicated in the lab, is electrophonic transduction. Certain very low frequency radio waves have the same frequency as sound waves. Long, thin conductors – grass, hair, wire eyeglass frames – serve as antennae for these radio waves. When these antennae receive the signal, they vibrate and transform the radio energy directly into sound.
VLF radio waves have been detected in aurora displays, and have been found to be produced by meteors as well. It is worth noting that sounds similar to those associated with aurora have been heard in conjunction with meteors, and even recorded.
So the next time there’s a nice display in your area, go outside. Get as far away from everything else as you can. Look up, and listen. You might just hear something inexplicable.
Many people have reported "hearing" the aurora, but there seems no actual evidence of it producing any sound as such
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
The link you put up was interesting but more interesting was this offshoot from that link:
Corona discharge
A corona is a process by which a current flows from an electrode with a high potential into a neutral fluid, usually air, by ionizing that fluid so as to create a region of plasma around the electrode. The ions generated eventually pass charge to nearby areas of lower potential, or recombine to form neutral gas molecules.
That sounds more like what the ionospheric heater of HAARP is doing.
AFAIK HAARP generates radio waves, not electric current.
Beginning about 50 miles (80 kilometers) above Earth's surface is an energetic, active part of the atmosphere known as the ionosphere. This area is filled with electrically charged particles such as protons and atomic oxygen created by extreme ultraviolet radiation from the sun reacting with air molecules.
At the base of the ionosphere, the movements of these charged particles, or plasma, create a pattern of electrical currents known as the atmospheric dynamo. These currents generally move in loops from the equator to the poles, changing daily based on solar heating and magnetic activity. But what keeps the dynamo moving is unclear. At the same time, winds of electrically neutral particles such as oxygen and nitric oxide molecules sweep through the lower ionosphere as well, complicating the picture.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Yes but they're using the HF to heat/agitate the ionosphere.
Fun fact: The slight heating of the ionosphere creates small, artificial aurora, that are barely perceptible to the naked eye.
One of the most obvious results of the experiments is that they can create lights in the sky that are similar to auroras, the glowing curtains of light that naturally appear in the polar skies when electrons and other charged particles pour down from Earth's protective magnetosphere into the upper atmosphere.
The technique has previously triggered speckles of light while running at a power of almost 1 megawatt. But since the facility ramped up to 3.6 megawatts — roughly three times more than a typical broadcast radio transmitter — it has created full-scale artificial auroras that are visible to the naked eye.
But in February last year, HAARP managed to induce a strange bullseye pattern in the night sky.
The team modelled how the energy sent skywards from the HAARP antenna array would trigger these odd shapes. They determined that the areas of the bullseye with strange light patterns were in regions of denser, partially ionized gas in the atmosphere
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Since you didn't add a link for your fun fact, I'm assuming that this is a fact in a separate reality? I don't know how fun it is.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
And HAARP's PR director says that the researchers are able to 'paint designs in the sky.'
"Whether it's useful or not is another story," he adds, joking that companies might one day hire physicists to use the technology to write glowing advertisements in the night sky.