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Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
You've said that you need a divers license because people have let this happened, by agreeing to it in the first place.
What I'm getting at is: you've said what the problem is, but I still am not seeing a solution presented.
So either I'm extremely dense, or I have missed something that you said somewhere.
Originally posted by aztlan73
So for the folks who scream for revolution i say dont play that game because it empowers the powers that be to remove more of our civil liberties.
If I think I'm paying taxes that I don't owe....well the problem then is that for a multitude of people, our taxes have already been taking out of our paychecks, either by an outside company that does the payroll or by the business you are employed at. Most employers will balk at being told you do not want to get paid that way, and will then kindly point to the door. Which I suppose people could do, quit their jobs and hope to find someone that pays in cash only (lots of landscaping people do just that: get paid in cash).
If I think I'm paying taxes that I don't owe....well the problem then is that for a multitude of people, our taxes have already been taking out of our paychecks, either by an outside company that does the payroll or by the business you are employed at. Most employers will balk at being told you do not want to get paid that way, and will then kindly point to the door. Which I suppose people could do, quit their jobs and hope to find someone that pays in cash only (lots of landscaping people do just that: get paid in cash).
For form and contents of such certificates, see 31.3402(f)(5)1. The employer is required to request a withholding exemption certificate from each employee, but if the employee fails to furnish such certificate, such employee shall be considered as a single person claiming no withholding exemptions.
If the person making the return, statement, or other document does not know the taxpayer identifying number of the other person, and such other person is one that is described in paragraph (b)(2)(i), (ii), (iii), (vi), (vii), or (viii) of this section, such person must request the other person's number. The request should state that the identifying number is required to be furnished under authority of law. When the person making the return, statement, or other document does not know the number of the other person, and has complied with the request provision of this paragraph (c), such person must sign an affidavit on the transmittal document forwarding such returns, statements, or other documents to the Internal Revenue Service, so stating.
I'm not going to go too into detail since my thoughts generally aren't welcome. The problem here is people talk about "rights"- You've only got a right as long as the rest of society recognizes it.
So how do we change all this? That is what I'm getting at.
Your employment contract with them that you sign (yep, as you said, people are freely agreeing to it) will state that they reserve the right to terminate your employment with them without notice or reason.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by frazzle
Actually yes, I knew that.
Several of us at work one day, years ago, were listening to a talk radio show and they talked all about the history of federal income tax.
It was rather dull, but much more interesting than the laser system I was calibrating for a fiber optic transmitter (which was tedious, frustrating and boring too......heh).
However, in reality what normally happens is the potential employee (because a W-4 is filled out prior to actual employment)
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
I certainly support wealth distribution and no tax loopholes. Learn to work with your hands or be a high browed snot and pay all your taxes. There is a choice.....
Of course the opposite of a "high brow snot" would be a low brow ignoramus. You bet your ass there is a choice, and as long as people keep deferring to low brow ignoramuses the problems are only going to get worse.
But seriously. I don't think most people understand that if you want to change things, EVERYONE has to want to do it (or at least such a majority you might as well think of it as everyone), and those people also must agree to the consequences that can happen.