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Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Most know of the Babylon Trinity story where Nimrod Married his Mother, Semiramis, and liked to play god over building a tower to get close to heaven in the skies. Nimrod became so corrupt at playing god that he was killed and cut into little pieces and scattered, and was represented as going to the Sun in death. His wife/mother could find all his pieces but not the procreating bit, so she makes up a story that the Sun (Nimrod) fertilized her (Semiramis) to produce the Son (Tammus). This is the strange Pagan Sun worship Trinity theme of Father becomes the Son via the Holy Spirit of the Sun. This is the heart of Sun Worship belief, and a belief for gods that Egypt Cloned. Moses tossed out the Egyptian Concepts of these pagan gods in favor of one based on god being Nature's Ways.
The problems with Christian Double Talk begins as they plug Jesus into much of these old pagan Sun Worship belief stories. Jesus has a story of Virgin Birth, but it was really more one for an immaculate conception that was planned birth to have a savior come address a better way for god and heaven. Mary is cast into a role, like Semiramis, where she is fertilized by god. The real story is that Mary was never taught the Pagan Sun god worship was valid and thus was pure and pious of religious belief and she was chosen for Jesus Mother by the Essene's methods of piety, and in this way translated as Virgin. Mary and Joseph conceived Jesus in the normal fashion, but they had great plans for their son to became a Messiah to change how the issues of god were presented to the world. It was a great plan and one frought with resistance and much ignorance in the world.
Many of the concepts for god existed in the minds of men as thoughts and ideas, or the spiritual world of beliefs. Jesus teaching for "The Way" was about moving the concepts of the Sprit of god in the mind into that of building heaven on Earth by the clear explanations of how the spiritual concepts of the mind came into understanding. This meant that Jesus Way would be to teach the orgins of god from the natural order of the planet and in doing this greater understanding make heaven upon the Earth where god become reality as nature.
Jesus would show god as a father of all humans and one that serves the childrens needs and is loving toward them, if one understands the ways of nature. Nature provided great medicines like Myrrh, provided great nutrition via bread and wine, and they gave thanks to nature, as god, for these things. There was a logical way to transition god of the Spirit world of the mind into god and heaven on Earth, and it was based in explaining the simple truths and moving from heaven in the skies or spirit world into reality and Earth.
The Christian's Double-Talk attempts to tell that Mary was like Semiramis and got pregnant in thin air, when the real story was one of planned pregnancy from two pious parents with designs for the child to become a Messiah. There is a non-pagan version of Trinity for Jesus with the Concepts of Father (god), the Son (Jesus--born of the truth of god), and the Holy Spirit (the goals for taking Spiritual into reality on Earth). The real Jesus associated Trinity explains why the Babylon Trinity is false and pagan, and explains the roots of god lie in the explanations of nature's ways.
The Double-Talk of Christians make Jesus into Satan when they make his story like Babylon's Trinity. Then like Jesus, The Man, as a Messiah to make Heaven on Earth built on pious truth being told of god's origin in the ways of the Natural Order. It is the Christians that paint Jesus in the vogue of Babylon's Trinity that are dead in Christ. The Christians technically worship Jesus as Satan when they do this in their teaching. Only a very few understand that Jesus Trinity isn't that from Babylon. Those few that see the Jesus theme of "The Way" was about showing the world the ways of Nature to provide medicines like Myrrh and nourishments like bread and wine with Boron nutrition. They gave thanks for Nature's ways as god and the Lord's Prayer with the special word for super foods. Even the Lord's Prayer and the Last Supper theme was of this ultimate purpose of thanks to nature for these foods and the ultimate wish for Heaven on Earth via teaching these simple truths.
edit on 10-5-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Christian Religious Double Talk make them Dead of the Christ
Originally posted by AManYouALL
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by MagnumOpus
Very true... the trinity is false doctrine... S&F
Not necessarily a false doctrine, but the best doctrine that the person can understand at their particular time of having it.
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
This post reminds me of the darkness I once lived in and through and I detest it. I want peace and love and those things do not exist in relativism or pagan worship of false idols. Praise God for His goodness and the peace He gives to tormented hearts of the brokenhearted and estranged.
I don't understand people's fear of idols. According to the dictionary, idols are man made objects that are worshipped as a deity, or possessing a deity. You and the OP and others project this fear upon Pagans as if we are making idols.
See my avatar. Did I make that stick? No. Did I make that stone, or even chisel its shape? No. Did I make the sky? No. What is worship? Isn't it profound appreciation for what is?
How can peace and love be the exclusive domain of people who worship what is not discernable?
You say that you know God through Jesus. Isn't that because Jesus can be seen? But I've heard that not all people have seen Jesus. So then are they beyond love? That can't be right. People can love people and the World, and want peace, even if they never saw Jesus.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Buddha and Kristna came before Christ did my friend... with the same message...
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Apart from God or even without God, "Nature" would still be definitively inanimate and not worthy of worship or praise.
Whoa.
WOW.
Really? Okay, then, here's a mental challenge for ya: imagine apart OR without God, here you are, and here is Nature providing, rejuvenating, recycling, growing, changing, evolving, surviving......you go 30 days without once taking part in what Nature offers you......nah...you go three minutes without air!....and then come back and tell me that Nature has nothing to do with your survival.
Good luck.
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Buddha and Kristna came before Christ did my friend... with the same message...
The one that was born from a rock
Only one came with the correct message, Christ.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Buddha and Kristna came before Christ did my friend... with the same message...
The one that was born from a rock
Only one came with the correct message, Christ.
Do you think the myth's associated with him matter?
He spoke of love... respect, and humility.... Something most "christians" need to learn...
The correct message came from the same source of all of them...
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by CaptainNemo
And you know this for a fact?
Perhaps you might explain how...
One ancient text shrugged off as myth, while another is considered truth... both hold the same message yet you can discern which is false...
Can i assume this is because your church says so?
edit on 14-5-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by CaptainNemo
And you know this for a fact?
Perhaps you might explain how...
One ancient text shrugged off as myth, while another is considered truth... both hold the same message yet you can discern which is false...
Can i assume this is because your church says so?
edit on 14-5-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
No, just process of elimination. In the case of Krishna, it's proven that blue people don't exist. In fact, Hindu's actually believe the odd brightly colored depictions of their deities is not symbolic, but their actual appearance. Krishna literally means black.
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
No, just process of elimination. In the case of Krishna, it's proven that blue people don't exist. In fact, Hindu's actually believe the odd brightly colored depictions of their deities is not symbolic, but their actual appearance. Krishna literally means black.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Buddha and Kristna came before Christ did my friend... with the same message...
Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
Not before God the Father and certainly didn't come in the same power as Christ.
Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Buddha and Kristna came before Christ did my friend... with the same message...
Not before God the Father and certainly didn't come in the same power as Christ.
Originally posted by AManYouALL
Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
Not before God the Father and certainly didn't come in the same power as Christ.
Is this your sworn eye witness testimony?