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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Socalists want workers to own the means of production. We on the other hand want the creators of the tools to own the means of production. Creatorship should equal ownership.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by antonia
The Foundations of Marxism are in anti-semitism. Marx is the most famous self-hating Jew. The whole point of socialism was to battle the perceived capitalism of "jewish bankers". Im Marxs own jew-hating words:
Friedrich Engels (German pronunciation: [ˈfʁiːdʁɪç ˈɛŋəls]; 28 November 1820 – 5 August 1895) was a German industrialist, social scientist, author, political theorist, philosopher, and father of Marxist theory, alongside Karl Marx. In 1845 he published The Condition of the Working Class in England, based on personal observations and research. In 1848 he co-authored The Communist Manifesto with Karl Marx, and later he supported Marx financially to do research and write Das Kapital. After Marx's death Engels edited the second and third volumes. Additionally, Engels organized Marx's notes on the "Theories of Surplus Value" and this was later published as the "fourth volume" of Capital.[1]
Marx and Hitler believed that jewish capitalists were responsible for all the worlds ills. They used to "protocols" to justify their views.
Socalists want workers to own the means of production. We on the other hand want the creators of the tools to own the means of production. Creatorship should equal ownership.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by antonia
The Foundations of Marxism are in anti-semitism. Marx is the most famous self-hating Jew. The whole point of socialism was to battle the perceived capitalism of "jewish bankers". Im Marxs own jew-hating words:
"It is the circumvention of law that makes the religious Jew a religious Jew."
"The Jews of Poland are the smeariest of all races."
"Ramsgate is full of Jews and fleas"
"What is the Jew's foundation in our world? Material necessity, private advantage.
"What is the object of the Jew's worship in this world? Usury. What is his worldly god? Money".
Originally posted by antonia
Have even read the offending text? Socialism existed before Marx. Communism existed before Marx and they weren't discussing Jews then either. Yea, Marx belittled Jews but if hated so much then why the hell did he fight for the autonomy of Jews? Why did he demand their rights? He belittled them because they were religious as he belittled all religious people.
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by Skyfloating
www.worldsocialism.org...
No, flat out fullstop no. Marx fought for the rights of Jews. If hated Jews he would not have done that. You have never read the offending text and you are making that plainly obvious.edit on 10-2-2012 by antonia because: rawr
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Ive read Marx and his writings are filled with references to money-grubbing Jews. Him having grown up in Jewish surroundings and family, he had serious mommy/daddy issues and channeled his hatred into books. Mommy/Daddy issues are at the core of most socialist fantasies. Socialism as Infantilism
I dont need your "flat out fullstop no" to understand what he has said about Jews. Marx speaks for himself. His books speak for themselves. What do you think "Das Kapital" is all about? Sure he stood up for some Jews...as long as they werent capitalists, bankers or successful people.
Originally posted by antonia
I've read Marx and "On the Jewish question" is really the only work considered to be anti-semetic and only by those who do not know the context in which it is written.
Originally posted by antonia
I linked that already, so Why are you telling me about something I already mentioned?
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by antonia
I linked that already, so Why are you telling me about something I already mentioned?
You referenced that as his "only" anti-semitism, to which I responded that I dont see that as his "only" anti-semitism. I linked it just in case readers missed it.
Its important to understand why Judaism and Socialism are in conflict because it explains the genocides of the 20th Century.edit on 10-2-2012 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by antonia
I linked that already, so Why are you telling me about something I already mentioned?
You referenced that as his "only" anti-semitism, to which I responded that I dont see that as his "only" anti-semitism. I linked it just in case readers missed it.
Its important to understand why Judaism and Socialism are in conflict because it explains the genocides of the 20th Century.edit on 10-2-2012 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
rant/
I thought this thread was about the failure of capitalism? Capitalism is a not a valid system of economics. It is a two-sided coin with Henry Ford on the face and a posse of armed private security drones on the flip side.