The Philosophy behind the immateriality of the absolute.

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Where did the Universe come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did your Soul come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did you come from?

How dew you continue to exist, being as stupid as you are?

Ribbit

i do not exist obviously but definitely u r the stupid that will never exist

i dont have a soul obviously, those evil constructions are all satanic nature that obviously are meant to kill, that is how humans are conscious free beings

now for ur mother the universe, she will surely tell u why she is growing in ur head alone

while everyone witness how the universe is ending and time is to awareness free realizations in truth reality

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Where did the Universe come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did your Soul come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did you come from?

How dew you continue to exist, being as stupid as you are?

Ribbit

i do not exist obviously but definitely u r the stupid that will never exist

i dont have a soul obviously, those evil constructions are all satanic nature that obviously are meant to kill, that is how humans are conscious free beings

now for ur mother the universe, she will surely tell u why she is growing in ur head alone

while everyone witness how the universe is ending and time is to awareness free realizations in truth reality

The absolute is the amalgamation of consciousness . Its the one consciousness(Rilgions call it as heaven/Jannah etc...) Material is not the reality, is an illusion provided by our sensory organs. What we see are all only sensory/electrical impulses , and hence we all in one and the same illusion(kind of like the matrix).Absolute is consciousness, its immaterial... Absolute consciousness is the reality. Material is the illusion..

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Energy precedes matter but is never separate from it.

Energy is Matter but Atoms are made of that Matter, making them Matter as well sew ANSWER the question AS IT IS ASKED?

Which came first: ENERGY or ATOMS?

That does kNot ask:

Which came first: Energy or Matter? It asks:

Which came first: ENERGY or ATOMS?

Ribbit

Ps: How is it possible for Light to have Energy but no mass?

edit on 15-2-2012 by ButtUglyToad because: (no reason given)

I see what you're saying now that matter is not atoms, atoms are organized matter. The answer to your question is energy precedes atoms.

Energy is required for Thought, thus, Energy must exist for Thought to exist. They go hand-in-hand and one cannot create the other without the other already present. Time is no different!

Ribbit

reply to post by ButtUglyToad


Once again, your logic is severely flawed. We need not be conscious of time for it to pass. Time is something that existed long before we did...we just gave it a name.

See, if scientists can put a time frame on geographical features, going so far as to reproduce an entire landscape that hasn't existed since before we could talk, that implies that time was passing at that point to.

This suggests that time does not rely on our perception, it simply affects it.

When you feel like having a logical conversation, let me know.

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
I'm working off of the assumption that at the root of all matter and energy and what all matter and energy is, in essence, is consciousness.

So since all is consciousness and all is alive, then you can see how consciousness builds itself to become more and more complex and then focuses itself into its creation to make itself believe that it is the system that is a body.

That is why we aren't aware of every cell in our body and consciously participating in their activities. It is why the afterlife is possible.

While at the root of all Matter is Energy and the root of all Energy is Consciousness, Consciousness is not what all Energy and Matter is. Energy created by the Universe is created by the conscious thought process of the Universe, just as your mind creates Energy when it thinks, which it always does, and Energy comprises all Matter.

Ribbit

If consciousness isn't a part of energy as a unified quality, then consciousness is non-local.

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Energy is Matter, but it isn't atoms, which is what eYe took you to mean by Matter. The atoms are created from the Energy in the recycling process, sew Energy is the Source of atoms but Energy is created first, then the atoms are put together from the Energy (trons).

Which came first, Energy (trons) or Atoms?

Ribbit

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Allow me to clarify. Are we basing these arguments off of TRUE science? Or YOUR science?

Your so-called "science" has enough kinks to constipate a boa constrictor.

Originally posted by absolutely

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
[You have bought into this Matrix!

Everything is Relative to Source and Source is Relative to Everything.

Your reality is an ILLUSION!

U R A blind fool!

Ribbit

you are the blind to any reality bc u inherently are a liar while reality is all exclusively to inherent true conscious

u r the fool that cant but appear stupid in absolute terms from any word use,

if all is relative to source and source relative to all how would time be the past? as u claim
if all was to source then there cant b before and source cant mean else

and if back exist then truth is, while when truth is then any is true and all is real

this is just a fart from ur own logics standards proving ur absolute inferiority even in lies so how definitely u inherently do not exist forever

Law of Opposites - opposites cannot exist without each other and if one exists, so too does the other, with the opposing opposites comprising Source and Source comprising the opposing opposites.

The Flow Sequence of Time:

Negative = Past
Positive = Future
Zero = Present

< -Infinite < -finite < 0 < +finite < +Infinite <

Both the Past and Future comprise Source Present and Source Present comprises the Past and Future.

You cannot have the Present without the Past & Future and you cannot have the Past & Future without the Present. Yet, the Future is illusionary, because when it happens, it changes and becomes the Present, but then the Present is also illusionary, in that it's only a finite moment long each time, then it becomes the Past, forever to remain the Past but only the Present for a finite moment.

"Hope is looking forward to the Illusion of Tomorrow in every moment of the Now." - Old Toad Proverb

Ribbit

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Energy is Matter, but it isn't atoms, which is what eYe took you to mean by Matter. The atoms are created from the Energy in the recycling process, sew Energy is the Source of atoms but Energy is created first, then the atoms are put together from the Energy (trons).

Which came first, Energy (trons) or Atoms?

Ribbit

I'd love to know if your theories actually have solid backing, or are simply half-baked concepts you've deluded yourself into believing.

Sorry, but your thoughts don't creat the physical or metaphysical reality around me. I'll stick with the scientists who get paid to do what they do, and get publicly humiliated nationwide for being wrong.

In short, they have more to work for than you, so they come up with better stuff.

Freakin' ribbit.

Originally posted by absolutely

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad
Where did the Universe come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did your Soul come from?

How does it continue to grow?

Where did you come from?

How dew you continue to exist, being as stupid as you are?

Ribbit

i do not exist obviously but definitely u r the stupid that will never exist

i dont have a soul obviously, those evil constructions are all satanic nature that obviously are meant to kill, that is how humans are conscious free beings

now for ur mother the universe, she will surely tell u why she is growing in ur head alone

while everyone witness how the universe is ending and time is to awareness free realizations in truth reality

Where'd you get such moronic thinking from? A Cracker Jacks box?

As sew many of you continue to prove, the You're Always Right Paradox is correct and, of course, You're Right!

"Not even God can win the fight against stupidity when Stupid is judging the Contest." - Old Toad Proverb

Ribbit

reply to post by filosophia

The absolute is self-restrained, and assumes the role of a creator, where creation is a process of intelligent, and therefore, conscious, subtraction from, the absolute, perhaps so that each part, as it re-ascends, via a continual evolutionary process of differentiation and reintegration, towards the absolute through varying degrees of increasing consciousness (see the evolutionary hierarchy), might get to SHARE, through varied experience along WITH the absolute, the absolute itself, so that self-aware knowledge of itself may increase from every angle and perspective, and from age to age and from eon to eon, unto a point of infinite complexification, at which point the whole universe is resurrected (Omega Point) to take on a wholly new novel form, with everything of value retained, and everything of no value, thrown away ie: discarded in oblivion. Point being, that nothing of value is ever lost, and the perishable is all that is unloving or hurtful to the just cause of progress, on the path of progress towards perfection. Something like that...

Supporting Scientific Liberature

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
On the emerging science of God and the true nature of the human being

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249274834&sr=8-1

Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the Absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound..

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part or an extension of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-1

And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-6

Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward ever higher forms of consciousness and realization.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by ButtUglyToad

 

Once again, your logic is severely flawed. We need not be conscious of time for it to pass. Time is something that existed long before we did...we just gave it a name.

See, if scientists can put a time frame on geographical features, going so far as to reproduce an entire landscape that hasn't existed since before we could talk, that implies that time was passing at that point to.

This suggests that time does not rely on our perception, it simply affects it.

When you feel like having a logical conversation, let me know.

Sew you think eYe think Time comes from your Thought?

Boy, have you bought into your high and almighty human self!

As to giving Time a name, that you are correct about and no matter what you call it, it's a label and means n0thing. But then, what is Time? eYe keep explaining that to you but writing on the chalkboard, when the student is blind, does no good.

You are clueless and you continue to open your mouth to prove it.

Ribbit

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by smithjustinb
I'm working off of the assumption that at the root of all matter and energy and what all matter and energy is, in essence, is consciousness.

So since all is consciousness and all is alive, then you can see how consciousness builds itself to become more and more complex and then focuses itself into its creation to make itself believe that it is the system that is a body.

That is why we aren't aware of every cell in our body and consciously participating in their activities. It is why the afterlife is possible.

While at the root of all Matter is Energy and the root of all Energy is Consciousness, Consciousness is not what all Energy and Matter is. Energy created by the Universe is created by the conscious thought process of the Universe, just as your mind creates Energy when it thinks, which it always does, and Energy comprises all Matter.

Ribbit

If consciousness isn't a part of energy as a unified quality, then consciousness is non-local.

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Energy is Matter, but it isn't atoms, which is what eYe took you to mean by Matter. The atoms are created from the Energy in the recycling process, sew Energy is the Source of atoms but Energy is created first, then the atoms are put together from the Energy (trons).

Which came first, Energy (trons) or Atoms?

Ribbit

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Allow me to clarify. Are we basing these arguments off of TRUE science? Or YOUR science?

Your so-called "science" has enough kinks to constipate a boa constrictor.

And your sew called science is blinded by their Closed System Law, which applies to the scientists but kNot the science.

You are a fool!

Ribbit

Originally posted by Starchild23

eYe think you meant to say Matter, since eYe said Energy is a part of the unified quality of Consciousness.

Energy is Matter, but it isn't atoms, which is what eYe took you to mean by Matter. The atoms are created from the Energy in the recycling process, sew Energy is the Source of atoms but Energy is created first, then the atoms are put together from the Energy (trons).

Which came first, Energy (trons) or Atoms?

Ribbit

I'd love to know if your theories actually have solid backing, or are simply half-baked concepts you've deluded yourself into believing.

Sorry, but your thoughts don't creat the physical or metaphysical reality around me. I'll stick with the scientists who get paid to do what they do, and get publicly humiliated nationwide for being wrong.

In short, they have more to work for than you, so they come up with better stuff.

Freakin' ribbit.

Safety in Numbers is the #2 Law of Closed Mindedness!

Ribbit

reply to post by ButtUglyToad

He might consider the works of Amit Goswami and others re: a monistic idealism (consciousness, not matter, is primary), which, btw, is the ONLY satisfactory way to resolve ALL the quantum paradoxes. What is states is that consciousness, not matter, is the very ground of all being and becoming, and thus we, as a projection from the absolute (Godhead) as self-consciously aware beings, may be considered as consciousness made by consciousness FOR consciousness.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by filosophia

Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound..

Absolutely Pee On!

That single statement goes hand-in-hand with what actually happened, when that "Godhead" turned the Infinite Self inside-out and outside-in, taking the Infinite Self and finiting itself, making sumthing out of everything and that sumthing is called Eternal Life, along with Children.

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by ButtUglyToad

 

Once again, your logic is severely flawed. We need not be conscious of time for it to pass. Time is something that existed long before we did...we just gave it a name.

See, if scientists can put a time frame on geographical features, going so far as to reproduce an entire landscape that hasn't existed since before we could talk, that implies that time was passing at that point to.

This suggests that time does not rely on our perception, it simply affects it.

When you feel like having a logical conversation, let me know.

Sew you think eYe think Time comes from your Thought?

Boy, have you bought into your high and almighty human self!

As to giving Time a name, that you are correct about and no matter what you call it, it's a label and means n0thing. But then, what is Time? eYe keep explaining that to you but writing on the chalkboard, when the student is blind, does no good.

You are clueless and you continue to open your mouth to prove it.

Ribbit

You're "toadily" wrong (that pun makes me retch) in thinking that I am buying into my human self, so-called. I am buying into reality and science, where you make up things along the way and expect them to be true because, of course, YOU'RE ALWAYS RIGHT!

Blegh.

"Those who believe their own wisdom renders them automatically correct, are almost always incorrect in some fashion. Those who think they are right from watching the world...well, can the whole world be wrong?" - Me.

Thanks for the laughs. I knew stupid didn't have to mean annoying.

reply to post by Starchild23


What do you think of the scientific descriptions I offered here

post by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by ButtUglyToad

 

He might consider the works of Amit Goswami and others re: a monistic idealism (consciousness, not matter, is primary), which, btw, is the ONLY satisfactory way to resolve ALL the quantum paradoxes. What is states is that consciousness, not matter, is the very ground of all being and becoming, and thus we, as a projection from the absolute (Godhead) as self-consciously aware beings, may be considered as consciousness made by consciousness FOR consciousness.

eYe just got through saying sumwhere on here that everything is Logic, which comes from Thought, which then comes from Consciousness.

"God/Source is Everything: Time is God/Source in Motion; Thought is Time in Motion; Logic is Thought in Motion; Love is Logic in Motion; Life is Love in Motion; Math is Life/Numbers in Motion. Rinse & Repeat." - Old Toad Proverb

Pee On!

Ribbit

reply to post by ButtUglyToad

Logic = Logos, and Logos = Word

"This heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away."
~ Jesus Christ (perfected divine human being made in the image of God ie: God-conscious)

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by ButtUglyToad

 

Once again, your logic is severely flawed. We need not be conscious of time for it to pass. Time is something that existed long before we did...we just gave it a name.

See, if scientists can put a time frame on geographical features, going so far as to reproduce an entire landscape that hasn't existed since before we could talk, that implies that time was passing at that point to.

This suggests that time does not rely on our perception, it simply affects it.

When you feel like having a logical conversation, let me know.

Sew you think eYe think Time comes from your Thought?

Boy, have you bought into your high and almighty human self!

As to giving Time a name, that you are correct about and no matter what you call it, it's a label and means n0thing. But then, what is Time? eYe keep explaining that to you but writing on the chalkboard, when the student is blind, does no good.

You are clueless and you continue to open your mouth to prove it.

Ribbit

You're "toadily" wrong (that pun makes me retch) in thinking that I am buying into my human self, so-called. I am buying into reality and science, where you make up things along the way and expect them to be true because, of course, YOU'RE ALWAYS RIGHT!

Blegh.

"Those who believe their own wisdom renders them automatically correct, are almost always incorrect in some fashion. Those who think they are right from watching the world...well, can the whole world be wrong?" - Me.

Thanks for the laughs. I knew stupid didn't have to mean annoying.

"Those who believe others wisdom without questioning it, renders them a fool."

You said it, you buy into science over anything else, sew what part of they are wrong, and THEY know it but you don't, don't you get?

The Hubble has PROVEN there is PURE ORDER to the Universe but the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics CLEARLY stipulates otherwise, sew when the PHYSICAL says ORDER and the LAW says DISORDER, in your own werds, you are suppose to reject the Law and back the Physical but because you blindly believe in your science, you blindly believe that which is wrong, thus, you are a fool and you continue proving it.

Then there are atoms, which PROVE PURE ORDER and everything else that PROVES PURE ORDER.

Wake up and smell the chit, for it's your chit!

Ribbit