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Originally posted by listerofsmeg
scotland won't leave, even most the scots don't want this, its just the SNP getting some bigger balls with their bigger funding.
if they do i think they'll keep the £, they already have their pictures on their money anyways but if not it will become another eu puppet nation.
as a non scottish brit, i would like to see the scots stay, scottland is a great country and just because some dont want any part of it anymore, there shouldn't be hatred among us.
i dont even know what will happen to our military, i think we will still all be part the british army as we have been one people too long for us to just break it up.
also most of the SAS are scottish.
It is however no different than what happens to those that face the same choice from Newcastle, Manchester, Newport, Cornwall and even deprived areas within London.
To blame 'The English' is simple minded, the easy target. Most of 'The English' are just as oppressed as any Scot, Welsh or Irishman.
Blame the real causes. Those that rule for their own gain, Alex Samon included. If you think he cares whether Scots prosper, fail or remain the same I think you are in for a let down. I could be wrong about him but I very much doubt it.
And aslong s theres a tory gov ,(lets face it the lib dems dont exist), the north-east will always take the blunt end mate , were a Labour stronghold.
Feeling poorly used if you have to leave your family and country just to be able to earn a reasonable living is understandable. It is however no different than what happens to those that face the same choice from Newcastle, Manchester, Newport, Cornwall and even deprived areas within London.
Originally posted by colin42
How many of you blame the English when in fact history shows the dirty deeds were planned and carried out by Scots against Scots.
Your right but not 100% right and not close either.
I have visited Scotland many times. I was always suprised when at the many historical sites how many times you have not only brought down your own people but how viciously you did it. Clan against clan, high lander against low lander.
How many of you blame the English when in fact history shows the dirty deeds were planned and carried out by Scots against Scots.
So it does not have to be carrot or stick as it can also be old hatreds v old grudges. The Scotish people are not as united as some wish to paint them.
Not even sure you are going to find walking away from the union is your choice and your choice alone. In any divorce someone gets the house, the other the car and the lawyers walk away with the money. Walking out of a long standing relationship will come at a cost and as yet no one is telling you what you are going to have to pay.
Because you are right in what you say but no where near close to being right if you think it is that simple.
Exsqeeze Me?? Ok....what am I right about? What am I not 100% right about? What am I not even close about? If we get this sorted out for starters we may even begin to have some form of coherent debate
Because history between England and Scotland is always brought into any conversation about their relationship and more often than not by the Scotish claiming foul by the English in my experience so it seems to matter a lot even though it should not.
And this history of people long dead matters to the current debate because.......???
Come on now. We are taught the same things in our schools so dont play that one. I thought you wanted discussion not re start another silly argument on semantics.
What are you havering about? Please....feel free to at least tell me what period in our history you’re referring to.
So you do know what I am havering about. I have had a few pints with quite a few Scots and have witnessed the abrasion between those from Glasgow and Edingborugh first hand. I have also seen a note in a glasgow pub window saying 'No English', a few years back granted but not too many. The Celtic/Rangers nonsense reared its head just recently so like I say you are more divided than you make out over nonsense long since past. If you dont want to recognise this in yourselves I dont see independence being a smooth ride.
You think the McDonalds will go after the Campbells???....twas a dreadful massacre....but it did happen in 16 bloody 92.
Its a referendum that a two faced tory scumbag PM has offered you. One that will not even allow a referendum for membership of the EU and who has openly admitted he will not be held accountable to any result he did not like anyway. Hows that for a start.
It certainly is our choice and our choice alone. That’s what’s so unique about this referendum.
That is something you should be asking Samon not me and something you should have been made fully aware of if you want to defend against 'The stick' of fear and misinformation that will surely be used against you.
How about you tell me about the costs. You, after all, are a someone and that would be a start.
How about we agree not to fight each other to win points and talk like two human beings. I have no idea what Scotish independence will bring ALL our countries, that includes Wales and N. Ireland and just like you we need to have the information to avoid the exact same stick.
How’s this for a challenge? I’ll represent the majority of Scotland (which I do being as yet undecided) and you present me with the case for the union. (Cos the past few pages of this thread make me want to jump on the independence bandwagon forthwith).
Because you are right in what you say but no where near close to being right if you think it is that simple.
Originally posted by Scott495
another point is that in no way shape or form would Scotland ever be hostile to England since we share so much in common. I doubt England would be hostile to Scotland either. Does England see Ireland as a threat or France or Spain?
We would become allies in a rapidly changing world and our shared interests would bring us closer together since the reason for much resentment (independence) was removed.
Our referendum has nothing at all to do with ‘two faced tory scum bags’
I think I made it quite clear in this and my other posts I have not got the information needed to know one way or the other and neither have you. We are being played as pawns in a bigger game and like pawns they will not bat an eye if they have to sacrifice us to get a check mate.
You’re off to a pretty bad start - I need to be convinced this union is a good thing for us Scots. Care to try again?