The Priest who changed the history

reply to post by diamondsmith


I will answer your question as a science fiction fan.
Science fiction teaches us that a change in the timeline/history never has a good outcome.Even a minor change can have catastrophic consequences for the future.
Example:
A sound of thunder by Ray Bradbury
City on the edge of forever by Harlan Ellison(Star trek TOS episode)

So my answer is that even if i knew who that boy was i would save him.Knowing that tampering with the time line is never a good thing.

BTW there is a Twilght zone episode called Cradle of darkness that is about a time traveler going back, in the time when Hitler was a baby to kill him.


I won't spoil it for you,but it has a very interesting ending

reply to post by diamondsmith


Yes, I can.

You can say really anything about anyone. The act of intervening has no knowledgeable consequences. It can only help. Thus, Intervene!

For all you know, that act is what saved the Catholics from just as much death camp city as the Jews.

reply to post by Gorman91


I do not twist, we did have concentration camps in the US.
I did say however, IMAGINE.
We have not gotten the full story on history, hell we don't even get the full story on things that happen today.
Seems reasonable to me.
Only difference is I am not hurt when I find out something I was taught to trust had lied to me.
Prety straight forward as I see it.

reply to post by g146541


But how can you tell it was a lie?

Were there preparations to exterminate the Japanese from America? I don't think so, though perhaps such talks did take place.

Were there talks to take the Jews out of Germany without killing them? Yes, there were. In fact a lot of attempts.


But don't go and say that America would gas Asians like the Germans did, when they were doing it while the war was perfectly in their favor. Don't say one thing where history doesn't give it proof.


Both sides built camps. Only one side tried to murder the people in them. And that was Germany.

reply to post by Gorman91

The act of intervening has no knowledgeable consequences.

Justice can be of many types....

reply to post by diamondsmith


We did have concentration camps, and I believe the nazi gas chambers were thoroughly debunked, but some say different (I'll leave that one a draw for sake of saving the argument) but mass murders are something nobody finds out about unless you lose.
We did have concntration camps though and that is well documented fact.

reply to post by Gorman91

Only one side tried to murder the people in them

And Russia.

reply to post by Gorman91


Yes and that side was the losing side, do you deny that the victors write the history books?
Simple question, answer would be appreciated though.
Thanks.

reply to post by g146541


Yes, but since modernity, when secular unbiased history and accounting reemerged into the world, it has been generally understood what is going on. We even know the US government did radiological tests are women and children without their knowledge. THAT's a crime.

But it is undeniable that the Nazi Party of Germany forcibly tried to murder Jews during the war after they failed to peacefully remove them. And it is undeniable that the only reason they sped up these murder rates was because they were afraid of being caught doing it when they knew they would lose.

There is an inherent contradiction to saying that disease caused the problems, or that they burned the diseased to save the rest....Why were they in the camps to begin with to be so "cared" for in such a way. Irregardless. They put them there. They killed them.


And if you are trying to twist it into saying that the allies somehow smeared the Germans, then explain why the US wanted a peaceful German ally out of the war, and was more than happy to attain all their scientists and brain power and parade them around in America like the greatest men in history. Many whom which were known profiteers to Jewish slaves.


Contradictions point out what is true, and what is false. The victors write history, but they haven't been able to lie really towards any effective ends since modernity began.

reply to post by diamondsmith


Nah, Russia just shot you for the most part.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by diamondsmith

 

Hitler lost the war.
If he would have won, the allies would have been the bad guys in the history books.
If Germany won.....
Imagine the horror of the German and Japanese soldiers when they found the death camps in the US holding US civilians of asian descent.
Malnourished dead and dying as war had taken its toll on food supply routes.
Just maybe Hitler was not the bad guy, I really cannot say, nor can anyone else alive.

You can't have good guys without having bad guys...

reply to post by Gorman91


WHOA, there cowboy!!!
I asked for an answer and you gave it, YES.
From there all of the other words that you put behind it kind of make it a moot point.
If the axis had won, they would have also shown the world killer bomb that the vil Americans were making and migh have released one on the world, oh wait we did, they didn't have to break that story.
I asked for an answer and it was yes, history is written by the victors.
I am not attacking you or yours, I am simply pointing out a fact.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by diamondsmith

 

Nah, Russia just shot you for the most part.

You should dig a little in history books,you have no idea.

reply to post by g146541


Not really.

Had Germany conquered America they would have probably done what they did in every other country they conquered: Scapegoat some small population and glorify the rest. Blacks probably would have suffered, Jews would have been killed, and Mexicans probably routed out.

God knows what would happen to the Japanese as Hitler probably hated them too but was officially allied to them.

But for most people, life would not be all that different. Controlling a hundred million people would not be physically possible for the German Army, and they probably would let America remain mostly independent. From that, revolution would inevitably breed and Hitler would give up in about 4-8 years, brokering a peace deal and giving up.


That's what would in all likelihood happen. There was no smear campaign against the Nazis in victory. We took their scientists, allied them, and promoted their general well-fair and freedom.

Where you have this idea that the Germans would smear campaign the allies is beyond me. Hitler just wanted control. He didn't give a damn who he knocked out of power to get it. They simply... disappeared and were never spoken of after.


Just about the only people smeared against where communists and Jews. That's about it.

Originally posted by diamondsmith

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by diamondsmith

 

Nah, Russia just shot you for the most part.

You should dig a little in history books,you have no idea.

Those to be written in the future.

reply to post by diamondsmith


Perhaps so. But I do have a general idea. Russia killed the most people in WW2. I doubt they had many camps, as they were more busy killing than storing.

reply to post by Phantom traveller
Thank you for the video Phantom traveller,maybe they knew something when the film was made.

reply to post by Gorman91

Perhaps so

Well,maybe wright now they are digging to find out some truth, right here on ATS.

reply to post by diamondsmith


No offense, but truth statistically gets discovered 10-20 years after it's happened, and if I'm remembering correctly, there is a clause in some bureaucratic law that says you have to declassify things after 50 years(hence why all the UFO stuff is coming out now)


Simply put. Truth doesn't come out this long after an event like WW2.

reply to post by Gorman91


Like I said before, put all of the big words you want into a post.
But after you understand that victors write the history all else is speculation.