Egypt goes Islamic

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I was never under any illusion that Egypt was anything but dedicated to Islam, sure there are minority groups of orthodox and christians but the majority is what has been posted. So i can't see why this comes as a surprise to anyone !

Why the angst against Egypt?

And why bring up Israel?

C'mon, the cabinet had NOT even been formed yet, but some here are already critical of Egypt's freedom process?

Islam is just another religion like other, teaches humanity how to be civilise and react as a society, nothing more. So what if they wanna chop off hands of thieves, or stone adultresses, or kill every jew on Earth, ban women from public space? It's their country, and it will be their own society's choice to make, if such barbarism is the way to propel their society forward and face the consequences then. They...VOTED.

But if it is NOT the way that they want, then they WILL REBEL and occupy the town square again, till they get the society that they want.

In democracies, NO ONE is above the law, even the supreme court. They too, can be booted out. Tyranny no longer exists in Egypt. And politicians whom think they can smooth talk their way thru is nuts. Having tasted People Power, the People arent about to give it up so quickly.

Have a bit of faith in our fellow human brothers and sisters in Egypt please.

reply to post by dontreally


It was'nt a suspicion.....it was a given.

No surprises here.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Why the angst against Egypt? And why bring up Israel?

Egypt has land that Israel wants you know the whole God gave this land to us delusion. Right now Israel has their hands full with stealing Palestine and Gaza but once they have those under control which won't be very soon seeing how the kids are giving the IDF a rough fight but when they do that is when they will start expanding outward. If you listen to Benny he says they are dedicated to reclaiming their biblical homeland which is pretty much all of the middle east. Thats why we are over there to weaken the armies of the nations they want to steal land from. Also videos like this probably has Israel wetting their knickers.

Fact is...Israel can do whatever they want because they remain the only nation in the middle east with nuclear weapons.

No matter what Israel does to Iran, it would be suicide to the other Arab nations to attack Israel. And Israel knows this.

Israel's "sampson Option" is a nuclear strategy revolving around destroying the entire middle east using Israeli nuclear weapons. This option will be utilized if Israel engages a future war and Israel determines that victory will NOT be achieved.

Israel would then do what Sampson did in the bible and take their enemies with them to death...

Thats whats up in the middle east. Stay very tuned...

reply to post by Elsha


Where did you get this nickelodeon scenario from. Israel would get their ass whipped by Iran ALONE.

The END.

Oh c'mon Buster 2010 and Elsha.

There's no logic in your post. IF Israel had wanted to conquer the entire middle east, it WOULD had and could had done so ages ago when the combined arabian army were pathetic whozzies, not their fault, but simply because their leaders had kept them understrength, understaff, undermotivated and a whole lot more. But Israel did not.

Not even in this present time. They only seek their own corner in the universe as agreed upon by the 1948 UN resolution for their independence to live in peace till the bunch of land greedy arab leaders thought the jews were easy meat, and sacrificed thousands of fellow human arab brothers and sisters in their insane selfish wars, that in reverse, made some of the greedy land grabber jews grab some lands back, while returning some, still keeping some.

And it is this 'some' that Israel must return back. It had not been a fair fight. Furthermore, our fellow human brothers and sisters in Palestine DO deserve a home of their own too. They too, had shared the land. It's just some senile old fools or greedy land corporations that are holding the land hostage at the expense of all jews, palestinians, and the world concerned with the welfare of both nations.

Rest assured that if ANY nation, be it Israel, Iran, China or USA makes a grab for any futher occupied lands in this enlightened century, they will face the wrath of an ENTIRE world. They may hold it for months, years, but not forever, more so with a world that had learnt the horrific lessons of land grabbing during WW2. No more will precious human lives be sacrificed for the greedy in our world ever again.

Be part of the solution, and give Peace a chance, from all sides. Cheers!

Originally posted by Phantom28804
Oh and for the record I am not just speaking of personal opinion. I have spoken to Israeli's they hate Muslims just as much as Muslims hate them. I have a few good friends from Israel and when the subject comes up of a Islamic country they will vehemently say things such as I will look forward to the day they are all dead etc.. etc..

So until you have spoken to some regular every day Israeli's and seen their perspective of their own neighbors don't assume to know the Israeli perspective on things.

Yes because "a few good friends" certainly represents the entire population. Maybe you should not assume to know israeli's perspective on the issue just because you have "a few good friends"

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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Where did you get this nickelodeon scenario from. Israel would get their ass whipped by Iran ALONE.

The END.

lmao now that is wishful thinking. just remember israel wiped the floor with 5 islamic nations one as weak and pitiful as iran certainly wouldn't make them break a sweat. Iran is just a small country full of small minded and weak people, the sooner the west goes in the better. these backwards people need to be brought through to the 21st century instead of stuck in the dark ages just like the rest of these hell holes of countries.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Oh c'mon Buster 2010 and Elsha.

There's no logic in your post. IF Israel had wanted to conquer the entire middle east, it WOULD had and could had done so ages ago when the combined arabian army were pathetic whozzies, not their fault, but simply because their leaders had kept them understrength, understaff, undermotivated and a whole lot more. But Israel did not.

Not even in this present time. They only seek their own corner in the universe as agreed upon by the 1948 UN resolution for their independence to live in peace till the bunch of land greedy arab leaders thought the jews were easy meat, and sacrificed thousands of fellow human arab brothers and sisters in their insane selfish wars, that in reverse, made some of the greedy land grabber jews grab some lands back, while returning some, still keeping some.

And it is this 'some' that Israel must return back. It had not been a fair fight. Furthermore, our fellow human brothers and sisters in Palestine DO deserve a home of their own too. They too, had shared the land. It's just some senile old fools or greedy land corporations that are holding the land hostage at the expense of all jews, palestinians, and the world concerned with the welfare of both nations.

Rest assured that if ANY nation, be it Israel, Iran, China or USA makes a grab for any futher occupied lands in this enlightened century, they will face the wrath of an ENTIRE world. They may hold it for months, years, but not forever, more so with a world that had learnt the horrific lessons of land grabbing during WW2. No more will precious human lives be sacrificed for the greedy in our world ever again.

Be part of the solution, and give Peace a chance, from all sides. Cheers!

They could take over the middle east if they wanted? Oh please it's been how many decades since they started stealing land and still haven't been able to get all of it. And if it's so easy for them because they are so tough then why are they begging the US to take on Iran? Because Iran will hand them their butts and Israel knows it.

reply to post by Phantom28804


Dark ages? I think not. We here in the west and in some european countries and various other places, we are friendly with our neighbours and there is no ancient war thats happened for centuries between our neighbours to encite violence.

If you look at history carefully, you will see the obvious problem. Jews had been persecuted and in that persecution were allowed to make an independant state. Most in the Arab world opposed this as it displaced some of their people. However after a time it became supported and the jewish state of Isreal was created.
Today, 75% of Arabs and Isreali's support a two state constitution maing Isreal and Palestine independent states, which could end the conflict.

However, western politicians do not support this as well as many conglomerates and the current Isreali Administration. They have actively sought to squash the Palestinian state. while preserving and expanding Isreal from it's initially declared borders (which are not recognized internationally).

The inability of the Palestinians to declare independence in the world forum, while countries like Taiwan, Kosovo and others are allowed and for good reason. This is why both side's fight and other countries in the region are forced to choose sides, east or west.

While it's easy to say they are in the dark ages, saying that means the western policies and those aligned with them are as well. Palestine could of been declared an Independant state this year or next had it been supported world-wide. Why not do that then? This would end a conflict perhaps stabilizing the area.

My theory on why is no one wants a united muslim nation as big as Russia and the West. It's a serious threat as their beliefs differ from ours. Their united strength is what poses a threat and our continued denouncing of a Palestinian state is directly threatening a united muslim nations. I am not saying all will fall in line to that idealogy, those who don't though would also face a threat, most noteably Isreal.

Their actions have angered the muslims and the muslims have angered the Isreali's and all within good reason. The constant recourse we have allowed to continue to happen only expasperates an already volatile situation.

Their is no united fron on the Isreal/Palestine situation anywhere in the world, when we decide to stop feeling threatened by united peoples and seek to work positively with them then we will see peace.

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Oh c'mon Buster 2010 and Elsha.

There's no logic in your post. IF Israel had wanted to conquer the entire middle east, it WOULD had and could had done so ages ago when the combined arabian army were pathetic whozzies, not their fault, but simply because their leaders had kept them understrength, understaff, undermotivated and a whole lot more. But Israel did not.

Not even in this present time. They only seek their own corner in the universe as agreed upon by the 1948 UN resolution for their independence to live in peace till the bunch of land greedy arab leaders thought the jews were easy meat, and sacrificed thousands of fellow human arab brothers and sisters in their insane selfish wars, that in reverse, made some of the greedy land grabber jews grab some lands back, while returning some, still keeping some.

And it is this 'some' that Israel must return back. It had not been a fair fight. Furthermore, our fellow human brothers and sisters in Palestine DO deserve a home of their own too. They too, had shared the land. It's just some senile old fools or greedy land corporations that are holding the land hostage at the expense of all jews, palestinians, and the world concerned with the welfare of both nations.

Rest assured that if ANY nation, be it Israel, Iran, China or USA makes a grab for any futher occupied lands in this enlightened century, they will face the wrath of an ENTIRE world. They may hold it for months, years, but not forever, more so with a world that had learnt the horrific lessons of land grabbing during WW2. No more will precious human lives be sacrificed for the greedy in our world ever again.

Be part of the solution, and give Peace a chance, from all sides. Cheers!

They could take over the middle east if they wanted? Oh please it's been how many decades since they started stealing land and still haven't been able to get all of it. And if it's so easy for them because they are so tough then why are they begging the US to take on Iran? Because Iran will hand them their butts and Israel knows it.

How about because you Americans sure do love your guns and them thar wars.... Its the only thing your really good at right? war... I mean you guys sure as hell can't make anything... Remember your government has to justify its defence budget somehow this seems like a worthwhile cause for all the nutjob christians you have over there.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Notice how this is setting up perfectly for israel to be surrounded by the islamic brotherhood. With this development, I believe an israeli attack on iran will come sooner or later. Then israel will be taken from all sides imo.

edit on 3-12-2011 by AllUrChips because: (no reason given)

Right like that hasn't been done before? Islam tried to snuff them out before and failed, you think this will go down any differently? War is obsolete, the sooner the rest of the world realizes that the better.

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You're clearly a brainwashed imbecilic fool if you believe Iran is "stuck in the middle ages". This conversation won't go anywhere at all, so I won't entertain you.

Read about Iran, then come talk to me.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Having tasted People Power, the People arent about to give it up so quickly.

Your logic clearly does not describe Iran and its Revolution.

Originally posted by BluesBassist
Iran is just a small country full of small minded and weak people

I do hope that you wrote it in a jest, because otherwise this sounds like ramblings of a clinical idiot.

Just a piece of trivia: Israel's territory is 22,000 sq km. Iran's: 1,650,000. So Iran is 80 times larger than Israel. It's also 10 times as populous.

Like any religion, you can either force it down other people's throats, or you can mind your own beliefs and let others live.

Unfortunately, while the islamists in Egypt are trying their best to claim they don't want to force anyone, some of them are clearly the "forcing down your throat" type, it is fairly obvious if you follow their statements.

Let me show you a dark possibility:

Tourism, the main source of income will most likely collapse:
english.ahram.org.eg...

www.youtube.com...

And this guy is behind the scenes again (Google head of marketing in the middle east)
www.ikhwanweb.com...:-political-activist-wael-ghonim-fear-of-islamists-coming-to-power-exa ggerated&catid=10412:egypt&Itemid=692
Why is that guy everywhere, and why is he defending the islamists ?

However, I cannot stress enough that there are lots of differences in opinion between the islamists themselves, some are more moderate, some are very extreme. I think this is a good video to show that:
So, in short. Nobody knows what will REALLY happen, only time will tell.

www.youtube.com...

It is also VERY scary when I look at this thread, in which I asked a question:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The reply (by Oberlin) was:

These uprisings have been deliberately instigated by Global Elite as part of an elaborate, ongoing plan. The idea behind this phase of the plan is to sweep in religious fundamentalists into power in the majority of the Muslim World, which will eventually lead to a clash with Political Zionism (Israel). This will cause a Third World War (due to occur some time within the next 19 months) between the two, with end result being the simultaneous destruction of both. After that, there will be a time of unrest in which Atheism is allowed to become a major force, the horrors of which will provoke a backlash from fundamentalists of Christianity. Both sides will be relentless persecuted and exterminated. In the end, there will be much (influenced) discussion which can have only one result: the creation of a new, single, influential, monotheistic religion. A New World Order.

The manner in which these uprisings occur is dependent upon the country. Tunisia and Egypt's regimes where organized in such a way so that the overthrowing of the dictator in charge, the public face/symbol of the regime, precipitates a series of sweeping democratic reforms which will result in the Islamists winning the majority of votes and ascertaining power. We already see this in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood's party decided to go for half of the parliament, rather than the 30% they said they were going for before. Libya's uprising is different due to the nature of the regime. In other countries, the dictator is only part of the regime. As such, the regime can survive without him in the form of high political party officials and institutions. (Example: Elements of the old Egyptian regime remain in the Army). The Libyan situation is different, for there is no spreading out of the regime. In a sense, Gaddafi IS the regime. This explains his hardline approach to dealing with the uprising, the result of which is the current civil war. The NATO intervention was also deliberately planned out. The Global Elite have been wanting to take out Gaddafi for some time now, mainly because of ongoing Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold. Such a currency would radically destabilize the world economy. As such, he was a significant thread, and had to be taken out. The Arab Unrest in North Africa and the Middle East will continue until as many regimes have been changed so that the conflict with Israel can rise.

So far the plan is going well