The Tide is Turning

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I have stood (and continue to stand) for what I believe in, but I wasn't worried about taking rubber bullets and tear gas because Tea Party members are respectful of each other and their surroundings. The thought of fighting with police never crossed my mind. The OWS, and pretty much any and all "movements" from the left, always end up being violent and hateful. That is the nature of progressivism and liberalism. The OWS people are animals, camping in piles of their own garbage and bodily waste, raping and sexually assaulting each other, all the while remaining unable to articulate a rational or reasonable thought. I love the OWS protests, because these idiots continue to expose themselves for the clowns that they are more and more each day, which makes my job as the father of three young children even easier, because I don't have to explain to them the difference between me and them, I just have to turn on the news.

The tide is turning? There was never a tide to begin with.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by phishyblankwaters

 

I have stood (and continue to stand) for what I believe in, but I wasn't worried about taking rubber bullets and tear gas because Tea Party members are respectful of each other and their surroundings. The thought of fighting with police never crossed my mind. The OWS, and pretty much any and all "movements" from the left, always end up being violent and hateful. That is the nature of progressivism and liberalism. The OWS people are animals, camping in piles of their own garbage and bodily waste, raping and sexually assaulting each other, all the while remaining unable to articulate a rational or reasonable thought. I love the OWS protests, because these idiots continue to expose themselves for the clowns that they are more and more each day, which makes my job as the father of three young children even easier, because I don't have to explain to them the difference between me and them, I just have to turn on the news.

Both sides are tools of the elite, how does that make you feel?

reply to post by L00kingGlass


You are quite right, but to fix the GOV. engine you need tools. The problem is a chain saw and a shovel won't do the job, we need a new tool that's not owned by the left or the right. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different out come is the definition of the insane ( or the left and the right )!

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

This is your opinion, you started the discussion, you got rational, well mannered replies at this point (your response). But some people had views and ideals that you don't agree with, so you're mad. And rather than construct a reply, attemopting to challenge the thinking of the posters, you throw a tantrum and "quit." Hardly objective

No i didn't get well mannered replies. I got off topic smears against OWS ignoring a simple question asked at the OP of this thread.

People refused to discuss the topic, mods refuse to moderate the posts, so i'm done trying to have an objective discussion with the likes of YOU people. go read it again if you need to, you are incorrect.

I just want to say that I entirely agree with you.

I also find it extremely odd that alot of the smear threads created by these individuals are allowed to exist. Threads and posts by these same individuals are certainly not created to generate good discussion, nor can anything constructive come from them.

ATS should encourage people to be objective in their conversations, and not to engage in useless partisan bickering and marginalizing. Partisan hack's who create threads glorifying and encouraging negative smear campaign type behavior is highly suspicious.

Originally posted by SmertSpionam1
reply to post by L00kingGlass

 

You are quite right, but to fix the GOV. engine you need tools. The problem is a chain saw and a shovel won't do the job, we need a new tool that's not owned by the left or the right. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different out come is the definition of the insane ( or the left and the right )!

Well said, and I agree.

Edit: When a decision is made, it should be based on what is "morally right and factually true". I see alot of immoral ideology occurring on both sides of the isle. It's true.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by seabag

 

Many did put the facts aside and now the country is much worse off. Remember?? Anybody but Bush, right?? Don't pay attention to the details...just follow your heart, right??

LoL if you could have only been on the forums I was on during the run up to that election, you'd see how completely idiotic and insane your statement is, if it is indeed directed at me. I didn't fall for Nobamas crap. I did say, once he "won" to wait and judge him on actions, not him being a secret muslim anarchist socialist satan worshipper. But I was the first to say dude, you can't vote for him just because he's black. he's unqualified, and in the pocket of the very same people you are trying to vote out of power.

But that doesn't fit into your anti-phishyblankwaters agenda, does it?

Sorry, that was not directed specifically at you. I have no idea what your views about Obama are. 

I also have no anti-phishyblankwaters agenda. I was just pointing out the obvious similarities between what you propose we do for OWS and what liberals did when trying to get people to vote for Obama. Separating their agenda from their right to peacefully protest is difficult for me, I must admit. It's hard to focus on the individual protester when I'm distracted by the smell of the group (pun intended). 

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

They are taking time out of their lives to go fight for what they believe is right. do you have the guts to fight for what you believe in? Will you stand in the cold, taking tear gas and rubber bullets, to stand for a principle?

Yeah, if they were my principles.. however, the numerous times I protested with the Tea Party I never had to take a rubber bullet. You know. Because we didn't throw rocks and bottles at police officers......

If you won't fight to remake the world in a way you feel is fair and right, who will? If a true movement of the population can't change the system, shouldn't the system be destroyed?

Here is the ultimate problem with OWS. You don't actually represent "99%" of the population.. in fact, counting the numerous people in all cities across the entire country you wouldn't even come up with a fraction of 1%. You need to understand that a few people in a very small movement protesting does not mean the people are "uprising". You represent yourself, your actions are your own. Many people may sympathize even if they cannot go live in a tent, but it doesn't mean they all back 100% of whatever anyone associated with OWS says.

If you intend to post in this thread, make your post about how you feel about these people uniting to fight for what they perceive as being right.

I'm not sure if this means you don't want people who disagree?

Ignore what they are fighting for, and just reflect on the fact that these people, in nations all over the earth, are standing in the cold fighting for something. Even if you disagree with what they are fighting for, can you not at least RESPECT them for actually trying?

I respect them for standing up and making their voice heard. I don't respect them for costing cities millions of dollars in damage and police overtime, I also don't respect them living in tents because, imo, it serves no purpose but to make it all a joke.

People couldn't go ONE thread without the ows hate speech.
That's telling.

reply to post by pirhanna


I didn't know OWS had something against free speech.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Will you stand in the cold, taking tear gas and rubber bullets, to stand for a principle?

Yep, as long as those Principles are moral and just. The OWS principles are merely redistribution of wealth to the lazy, stupid, and self-indulgent. They seek what is not theirs. They seek to tear down our system of life to be replaced on one based on socialism and communism.

The fact is, I WILL take arms against such as those who are in that "movement". I took an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign or domestic. Our system is still working just fine: Change can be affected through the ballot box. As long as that is true, that is exactly how it will be done on my watch.

I am not advocating violence, nor am I indicating that I plan to instigate violence. The OWS people have advocated revolution; and, if they actually made good on their threats I would certainly be predisposed to react. Sadly, I am too old to rejoin the miltary. If a revolt ever came down to the neighborhoods I would certainly be able to defend my family and this Nation ... even if only for a short while.

there are thousands of people in dozens of cities across america protesting and it's seriousness is ignored. politicians act like nothing's happening.

if the declaration of independence is any indication, when the grievances of the american people are ignored by a government they take up arms and revolt.

what will it take for the people to be heard. burn down the whitehouse?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by pirhanna

 

I didn't know OWS had something against free speech.

ATS should take a stand against useless partisan bickering and marginalizing, just like they did against drugs and racism.

Being objective is part of denying ignorance in my opinion.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

but the idea of people fighting to change things for the better of the country? That's an idea I can definitely get behind. That's what America and patriotism is all about.

Even if they wish to convert your Nation to a socialist/communist government? Even if their platform is redistribution of wealth? Hey, they sound precisely like those who "protested" in Russia in 1917. They formed a "worker's paradise", don't you know?

How is the tide turning? whats changed and who in the government,or even the banks for that matter,been brought to justice? standing in the cold doing nothing but holding up signs is not bringing change.

Sorry but the tide isn't turning.

reply to post by randomname


They act like nothing is happening because no one is knocking on their doors. Instead you have dirtballs like Charlie Rangel and Barney Frank endorsing OWS as a form of some special get out of jail free card. Remember that Frank wanted to spend TARP profits that were repaid by banks who took the money to begin with. Frank wanted to spend it before the money even hit the general fund. and Rangel? I don't need to go there.

Life is just peachy for these chaps right now.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Okay, so by your logic we should admire the spirit of the brown shirts who dragged Germany into the National Socialist Era, respect the Bolsheviks who murdered thousands during their revolution (they protested before things became violent there as well) and, while we're at it, marvel at the fortitude of the various Islamic Jihadist groups out there because they all stand up for what they believe in? Do I have that right?

Originally posted by Viking9019
How is the tide turning? whats changed and who in the government,or even the banks for that matter,been brought to justice? standing in the cold doing nothing but holding up signs is not bringing change.

Sorry but the tide isn't turning.

edit on 8/11/11 by Viking9019 because: (no reason given)

Belittling the political leaning of others isn't helpful either.

#ows and Tea Party opposition have 2 choices:

1) Create an anti-corruption movement that isn't funded by George Soros or the Koch brothers.

2) Stick their head in the sand and wait for the end to come.

Being divisive at such an integral moment of history is foolish and unacceptable.

reply to post by Duamutef9


Yeah, I mentioned the Nazi's too, I think he want's the "ole" respect your enemies replies from us.
That's a tuff one, all depends on the enemy of course.

It would seem that TPTB and the evils in government have never been bared and transparent as they are now able to be shown to be.... by people disgusted with samo-samo corruption. As more people realize that they can take back their freedoms and oust the tyrants, we have these protests. and yes ! more and more people need to join in. Without dissent, there will be evil corrupt forces running wild. The tyrants or wealthy or TPTB or what ever you wish to call them will rethink their grand plans when they face the wrath of the many. So yea, I applaud those out there that are actually sacrificing for this movement with their time and effort. This movement is spreading world wide it appears. Perhaps this is the change in concionusness spoken in the advent of 2012..?