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I don't think anyone seriously doubts we will see it. Certainly, if we don't that will be an extremely bizarre outcome.
Genesis 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Originally posted by Thermo Klein
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Genesis 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Ironically, you need to have had a supernova in order to create the complex particles found on earth - utterly disproving the entire idea that Earth came first. We didn't....
I used to be Christian and gave it up because the Bible simply doesn't add up. Kinda saddens me when people work SO HARD to make their chosen belief match something that is provable: Science.
so, point: counter point. Let's please discuss any more about Religion (entirely off topic) via messages or a different thread.
Yes the video does indeed say they expect to find it, but I think that's masking the actual results of the search for the Higgs boson.
Originally posted by Thermo Klein
After the recent expectation the Higgs boson would be found there was a lull in the excitement of the idea. Glad to hear Physicist still fully expect to find it!
The most interesting point here is that ATLAS and CMS [crudely] taken together exclude all regions for the Standard Model Higgs particle except
below 145 GeV,
the range 288-296 GeV, and
above 464 GeV.
Since precision measurements of other quantities in nature indirectly make the region above 464 GeV very unlikely, and even that small window around 290 is probably excluded when the two experimental results are combined properly, we are probably down to the region 115 — 145 GeV for the Standard Model Higgs.
So it's running out of hiding places, and the longer the LHC runs without it being discovered, the less and less likely it becomes that it will be found in the fewer and fewer remaining hiding places.Even if it is found in one of the remaining hiding places, like below 130GeV, that may pose problems for the standard model as I don't think the standard model expected to find it in that range:
Experts told attendants that these results are 95 percent certain. This means that there is still a 5 percent chance the particle is hiding within this energy range, having eluded capture by the most advanced experiment ever constructed in the world.
“We have the Higgs cornered, and if the LHC continues to perform as it has over the past several months, by early next year the Higgs won't have much room to hide anymore,” added University of Oregon Knight Professor of Natural Sciences and physicist Jim Brau, in an email.
This is an “illustrative” combination of the ATLAS and CMS Higgs searches which appears to be based on the data presented at lepton-Photon-2011. If you look carefully at where the black line crosses the 95% confidence level limit you will see that it excludes the standard model Higgs between 130 GeV and 480 GeV.
A Higgs below 130 GeV disfavours the standard model on its own because of vacuum instability.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Experts told attendants that these results are 95 percent certain. This means that there is still a 5 percent chance the particle is hiding within this energy range