The founding fathers fraud the biggest scam since religion

Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

 

JFK prolly didn't even know he was related to the king. His father wasn't some rich banker but a Mobster undermining the Government during the prohibition era. If you want to argue these ridiculous beliefs at least know you're history and facts. Of course you won't because you believe that to be a conspiracy too. Hell why don't you just go all out and claim that we live in the Matrix and everything we know and see is a lie?

Now, I'm related to George Washington myself through his sister. I come from a line of rich land owners who've gambled and womanized there way out of their wealth with each generation. Now pray tell, being a close descendant of G.W himself why isn't my family have any political power or major wealth? Because there is no secret family circle of Freemason as few people know their genealogy, I only know this because my aunt spent a good year researching it.

I also don't know why you hate the Freemason as they were consider heretics of the church, you know the religion you hate so much.

www.cracked.com...

www.destroyfreemasonry.com...

fundamentalist Christians despise the Freemasons as the go against the Traditional church.

Your related to G.W himself?
Makes sense, i've read your replies, it's obvious you are.

Yes, well you wouldn't see how the common man works in that case, the freemasons are a exclusive club, and i hate that, they have secrets to hide, and info that could expose every wrong.
A lot of Freemasons are christians.

Yes, they must be stopped at all costs.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


The analogy fits perfectly....neither statement is base on fact. And yes, you can learn something that IS based in fact rather cheaply. Forget the local college and go the library...that works too. My point is all these websites are OPINIONS, and your thread was started because you came across something while looking for something else and thought you could start something.

You even tried to kill and discussion by saying he's a WW2 vet. Some of have dragged our boots through foreign soil too so what's your point?

Read some of his other articles, they're kinda odd. He does exactly what you've done. Printed controversial articles with nothing but emotion to back them up.

the freemasons are a exclusive club

To be one ask one is their method of recruiting if i'm not mistaken......how "exclusive" can that be?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Its not really that amazing, I come form the Lewis family, an ancestor of mine Fielding Lewis Married G.W's sister. The Lewis line is ridiculously huge, My aunt has found hundreds of people from the same line and relation and there is even a project going on to see which Lewis goes into which line.

lewissurnamednaproject.com...

This is why if you study Genealogy and see all the different branches and family lines, you can see that you can pretty much connect anyone to another person. Which is why the whole royalty blood line conspiracy doesn't make sense. It could if royalty was still "kept in the family" if it were, but it isn't.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


So are you saying that the constitution is nonsense because you found some socialist's dirt and smear on the Founding Fathers? What kind of government would you propose replace our constitutional government? You do realize that the founding fathers were not all one thing nor of the same ideology?

Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. He wants to restore the constitution since the elite have "progressed" into centralized control and internationalism and are pretending they are no longer under the rule of law. Ron Paul is my represenative. He is more interested in the founder's ideas and knowledge than he is concerned with leftist political smears against them. Have you ever heard him talk about the founders' ruling document? He would not agree with you at all in petty smearing of the founders.

Maybe you should have Obama as your avatar. Stalin? Mao? How about Hitler? They all hated the US constitution, too. They wanted to rule over the world like our socialist internationalists desire to do. Freaks.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


They aren't really that exclusive hell you can join if you want to. Just google up you're nearest loge talk to the people there and petition to join. The Freemason club is about as special and exclusive as being a Cost-co club member. Yes, they are Christian, but not fundamentalist which is why they have been hunted and hated amongst much of history.

www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com...

"Join a brotherhood of over 6,000,000 men from all races, religions and countries from all walks of life."

Before you ask, no I'm not a Freemason. I'm not even a Cost-co club member

Even though I'm related to G.W himself I don't really like the man as he was a Racist. Not entirely his fault just a product of the times, though I feel that as a General of the war for Freedom he should have abandon those ideals.

Originally posted by sara123123
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

 

So are you saying that the constitution is nonsense because you found some socialist's dirt and smear on the Founding Fathers? What kind of government would you propose replace our constitutional government? You do realize that the founding fathers were not all one thing nor of the same ideology?

Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. He wants to restore the constitution since the elite have "progressed" into centralized control and internationalism and are pretending they are no longer under the rule of law. Ron Paul is my represenative. He is more interested in the founder's ideas and knowledge than he is concerned with leftist political smears against them. Have you ever heard him talk about the founders' ruling document? He would not agree with you at all in petty smearing of the founders.

Maybe you should have Obama as your avatar. Stalin? Mao? How about Hitler? They all hated the US constitution, too. They wanted to rule over the world like our socialist internationalists desire to do. Freaks.

That's exactly what im saying,and thanks for proving anecdotal evidence for divide and conquer.
The founding fathers would be proud of you.

reply to post by Mcupobob


yes, geneology is quite a field. I know someone who is super into it, and her family is full of Revolutionary Patriots and people who have lived in America generations.

The PDF I posted is not random. In fact, I was surprised I found the entire book posted online. It's a very thick book, and I have an original copy.

Originally posted by sara123123


maybe you should have Obama as your avatar. Stalin? Mao? How about Hitler? They all hated the US constitution, too. They wanted to rule over the world like our socialist internationalists desire to do. Freaks.

speaking of avatars, whatever happened to the guy with that creepy parks and rec guy? this op reminds me of him for some reason.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

That's exactly what im saying,and thanks for proving anecdotal evidence for divide and conquer. The founding fathers would be proud of you.

wasnt that the purpose of this thread but to divide and conquer?

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

That's exactly what im saying,and thanks for proving anecdotal evidence for divide and conquer.

That's it? I think you might have bitten off more that you can chew with this thread. You should check on your confirmed reptiallian hoax thread.

I see i struck a nerve with jaded patriots.
God bless 'merica amirite?


The founding fathers were never wrong tho right?
It's only people who criticize the mainstream beliefs, who are wrong?
As you wish.

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
I remember saying, how JFK was nothing but a puppet, and how his death was, staged, just a show, a play, the performing arts.
After all, why would he betray, the bankers, the queen etc who are all tied into this?
Why would JFK, expose, and dismantle the federal reserve, and the corporations hold on the world?
If he did, people would have acknowledged it, from there on in, and would riot for these new "rights".

He himself, was related to prince harry, the queen, kate middleton, the bankers etc.
I'll tell you why, because people can't see beyond family, even if it is a threat, to justice and the truth.
Family comes first, the right thing always will come last, people can't see the truth, when family is involved or some sort of relation is involved, either way.

All im saying is, you won't believe what im saying, because your family was involved with the founding fathers, revolutionary war they were all tied into it, you and your family are involved in this.


But as you wish.

edit on 10-9-2011 by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien because: (no reason given)

who exactly, taught you, how to write, a sentence?

i seriously, cannot stop, laughing at, this entire thread!

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


Its so cute see how sure of yourself you are

Of course you struck a nerve with people, you're stating ridiculous claims that are not based on truth or facts but emotion and disinformation. When confronted on this things instead of coming back with an credible argument you just fall back on this sort of smug "Theres no way I'm wrong attitude, and you are all just being defensive".

Every post I see of yours is nothing but Inflammatory and sometimes hateful for no reason. Its okay to be against the "status quo" as it were, but back up you're claims with careful research and present you're argument in a calm pragmatic way and be prepared to defend your argument from every angle. The way you approach things is almost border line trolling.

Most of all, be prepared to admit the times you are wrong. Because, this may shock you, people can be wrong, even you.

I will renounce all I've said in this thread if you can give me the proof it is wrong and I've exhausted all forms of debate against it. So far, all I've heard from you is statements presented in the form of Rhetoric and as matter a fact.

EDIT: For instance, why did your thread title have to include "Religion" in it? This thread has nothing to do with Religion. That is what I mean by Inflammatory, it was unnecessary and uncalled for. Certainly not going to win anybody to your side or view point by making indirect attacks.

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien


I don't understand where you got your information on slavery. History tells us that Africans even sold their own people to white slavers. There is also a history of white slaves.

Slavery predates written records and has existed in many cultures.[3] The number of slaves today is higher than at any point in history,[4] remaining as high as 12 million[5] to 27 million,[6][7][8] though this is probably the smallest proportion of the world's population in history.[9] Most are debt slaves, largely in South Asia, who are under debt bondage incurred by lenders, sometimes even for generations.[10] Human trafficking is primarily for prostituting women and children into sex industries.[11]

[en.wikipedia.org...

Then of course rhere were the prisoners in the gulags in communist Russia who were made to work in mines and such. You can find out about that through the writings of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who was a prisoner of a gulag and wrote about his experiences.

And maybe you remember that many Hebrews were slaves to Egyptians.

But liberals have made you believe that slavery only involved slaves from black Africa imported to the States.

Evidence of slavery predates written records, and has existed in many cultures.[3] Prehistoric graves from about 8000 BC in Lower Egypt suggest that a Libyan people enslaved a San[disambiguation needed]-like tribe.[15]

The Bible refers to slavery as an established institution. Slavery was known in civilizations as old as Sumer, as well as almost every other ancient civilization, including Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, the Akkadian Empire, Assyria, Ancient India, Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, the Islamic Caliphate, and the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas.[3]

An estimated 12 million Africans arrived in the Americas from the 16th to the 19th centuries.[43] Of these, an estimated 645,000 were brought to what is now the United States. The usual estimate is that about 15 per cent of slaves died during the voyage, with mortality rates considerably higher in Africa itself in the process of capturing and transporting indigenous peoples to the ships. Approximately 6 million Africans were killed by other blacks in tribal wars.[44] The white citizens of Virginia decided to treat the first Africans in Virginia as indentured servants.[45] Over half of all European immigrants to Colonial America during the 17th and 18th centuries arrived as indentured servants.[46] In 1655, John Casor, a black man, became the first legally recognized slave in the present United States.[47]

Yea, the establishment of the USA was all part of the long 200+ yr. con by our founding fathers...
^^sarcasm^^

Secondly, OP, don't tell people not to criticize your source because he was in WWII (or any war for that matter). My grandfather fought for America in WWII and I respect our veterans, but most people will see through your lazy attempt to teflon coat your source--veterans ARE NOT infallible.

Finally, yes, our founding fathers--some/many/most?--had slaves, this is not new knowledge. Here's something you might not know...a lot of our founding fathers sired children with their slaves; this is not new knowledge. A lot of what our founding fathers did would be considered odd today. Some of what they did was heinous especially in terms of slavery...

OP, I'm being presumptuous here, but are you young, perhaps in high school? Because your outrage seems glowing hot like iron right out of the fire, but a lot of what you say is simply the unfortunate facts of out past. God help us may we learn from them.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
For instance, why did your thread title have to include "Religion" in it? This thread has nothing to do with Religion. That is what I mean by Inflammatory, it was unnecessary and uncalled for. Certainly not going to win anybody to your side or view point by making indirect attacks.

Although I agree on indirect attacks not being good with popularity,
religion, not faith, is a really big scam. All manipulation, all tainted, lies...

reply to post by User8911


First off I am not religious, but I don't see it as a scam. I see the perversion of Faith and abuse of said Faith as the scam and fraud. There is some good in Religion, it set the foundation of Morals. Religion taught people, not to murder, lie, and steal. Jesus and Buddha taught us that love and forgiveness is Superior to hate and vengeance.

While there is a lot of evil in Religion(not just Judo-Christianity) there is also a number of good. Its about picking out the bad and using the good.

Originally posted by neo96
the founders were indeed just men who had a grand vision that has be peed on crapped on for the past 200 years.

Bandits and hypocritical slave-owners waxing eloquent about liberty are just men?

Your concept of "justice" is sure very reassuring

Originally posted by Mcupobob
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

 

Its so cute see how sure of yourself you are

Of course you struck a nerve with people, you're stating ridiculous claims that are not based on truth or facts but emotion and disinformation. When confronted on this things instead of coming back with an credible argument you just fall back on this sort of smug "Theres no way I'm wrong attitude, and you are all just being defensive".

Every post I see of yours is nothing but Inflammatory and sometimes hateful for no reason. Its okay to be against the "status quo" as it were, but back up you're claims with careful research and present you're argument in a calm pragmatic way and be prepared to defend your argument from every angle. The way you approach things is almost border line trolling.

Most of all, be prepared to admit the times you are wrong. Because, this may shock you, people can be wrong, even you.

I will renounce all I've said in this thread if you can give me the proof it is wrong and I've exhausted all forms of debate against it. So far, all I've heard from you is statements presented in the form of Rhetoric and as matter a fact.

EDIT: For instance, why did your thread title have to include "Religion" in it? This thread has nothing to do with Religion. That is what I mean by Inflammatory, it was unnecessary and uncalled for. Certainly not going to win anybody to your side or view point by making indirect attacks.

edit on 9/11/2011 by Mcupobob because: Those damn consertives!!

Well i'm not wrong on many things, i never have been, in government sponsered tests and exams, i memorize every bit of tedious and useless piece of info that i need to pass.
5'3, 19, male, rh neg, left handed and an iq of 189, i don't get many things wrong.

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