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Originally posted by snowcat
yep dogfighting is maybe a old scene, it's a shame there are only dogfights in friendly matches between NATO partners.
I thought the SU-47 is only a demoplane, the F-16 and F15 are also indeed good dogfighters(maybe the best records in history) but their time has come. yes I ment the F-22 in stand of the F-35 in second place dogfighting.
Originally posted by waynos
The wing of the F-23 was Northrop's answer to the reverse twist problem. By using a diamond shaped wing you have the benefit of an aft swept leading edge and a forward swept trailing edge giving excellent manoeverability without the penalies. This original concept for this wing was first developed around 1980 for the joint US/German Dornier/Northrop N/D-102. Unfortunately the only image I have of this project dates from before the diamond shape had fully evolved.
[edit on 19-8-2004 by waynos]
Originally posted by waynos
Thats all true but the major drawback with FSW (and the reason that the US ATF proposals didn't feature it after extensive research with the X-29) is the reverse twist induced in the wing.
An aft swept wing naturally twists the leading edge downwards under load but with FSW the leading edge twists upwards.
The leading edge twisting down decreases the load but twisting upwards increases the load and the wing diverges, ultimately twisting itself off.
Berkut.. need awesone fly-by-wire to keep them in the air, something the Russians are far behind in.
In a real turning fight that would just make it a sitting duck. High energy is the name of tyhe game in a turning fight and for high speed, high energy manoevering, as has been said its the Raptor first and the Typhoon second. The Su-47 may change that but the Su-37 does not
Originally posted by Michael784
In a real turning fight that would just make it a sitting duck. High energy is the name of tyhe game in a turning fight and for high speed, high energy manoevering, as has been said its the Raptor first and the Typhoon second. The Su-47 may change that but the Su-37 does not
But if the Su-37 is able to perform maneuvers like the Cobra/Super Cobra which the Raptor can't, wouldn't that show that the Su-37 is more maneuverable?
Originally posted by UK Wizard
there you go
Air Power
Originally posted by Hockeyguy567
Originally posted by UK Wizard
there you go
Air Power
I wouldn't go with the EF's main site or fan sites as an accurate source for unbiased information.
And to rank the F/A-18 far below the EF, this is not true, as of right now, i would put the SH ahead of the EF because the Typhoon is experiencing problems, and is woefully undercapable in the AtG arena.
[edit on 2-9-2004 by Hockeyguy567]
[edit on 2-9-2004 by Hockeyguy567]
Originally posted by titus
Originally posted by longbow
I have already posted here about the F-22 angle of attack ability. It is able to achieve sustained angleof attack of 60 degrees.
The best Sukhoi's (Su-37, 47) have only about 41,
Su-30 about 30 degrees
GEEZZZ!!!! YOU MUST BE KIDDING....
i have video in russian. they say SU-47 HAS UNLIMITED AoA
also, Su-30MK was pulling and holding 75 degrees AoA at one of airshows in moscov
and, about f-22 60* AoA. you should expect that from gen5 airplane
Originally posted by Hyperen
Originally posted by waynos
Someone posted a table on here recently (sorry I cant remember which thread) which showed that the Typhoon is bested only by the Raptor in A2A Combat.
Heres a table showing the results of 'The DERA Study' where Western fighters were put up a simulated threat of one Su-35.
from here
F/A-22 Raptor -- 10.1 : 1
Typhoon ---------- 4.5 : 1
Rafale ------------- 1.0 : 1
Su-35 ------------- 1.0 : 1
F-15C ------------- 0.8 : 1
F/A-18+ ---------- 0.4 : 1
F/A-18C ---------- 0.3 : 1
F-16C ------------- 0.3 : 1
These results mean, for example, that in simulated combat, 4.5 Su-35s were shot down for every Typhoon lost.
The EF2000 is agile and fast with the potential to be a great dogfighter (if the MOD decide to buy cannons).