I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie....

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Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by lilowl53

 

I just feel this thread is a massive over exaggeration.

I question whether any of you have actually seen The Butterfly Effect, they way you're going on!

So we should censor everything because of the children?

Agreed

There are some real tragedies involving children going on in this world, if there was a list this would be at the bottom. (IMO i wouldn't even put it on)

Parents need to GROW UP and look after your own children and stop expecting the world to do it for you.

Originally posted by puzzlesphere
reply to post by Thurisaz

 

Motion Picture Rating (MPAA)
Rated R for a disturbing sexual assault of a young girl, and brief sexuality

Since it’s R rated, you probably shouldn’t let young children watch it.

Here is the link to the Youtube vid of it (you can watch the whole movie in 10 parts)... the scene in question starts at around 2:35.

Thanks for posting an R rated movie here at ATS! which is against the T & C...

Thank you for illustrating another facade. Here we have an R Rated movie starring a minor that minors are not allowed to watch and yet, it can be found and viewed on You Tube by minors.

Now, if a child is doing a project on hound dogs...they might accidently stumble across this.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
Thanks for posting an R rated movie here at ATS! which is against the T & C...

Thank you for illustrating another facade. Here we have an R Rated movie starring a minor that minors are not allowed to watch and yet, it can be found and viewed on You Tube by minors.

Now, if a child is doing a project on hound dogs...they might accidently stumble across this.

edit on 4-8-2011 by Thurisaz because: (no reason given)

Oh my goodness, are you kidding me??

That's pushing it, in my eyes. This thread is a bit much to begin with, but this

"Now, if a child is doing a project on hound dogs...they might accidently stumble across this."

is really out there.

It happens.

I was doing a project on Australia in the 4th grade... spelled 'Australia' wrong and ended up on a fetish site. Around the same time I was looking for Britney Spears fan sites... same thing.

You can not be hovering over your children every minute of their lives to ensure that they don't come across all the perverse topics that are out there. You can do your best but you know what? Sooner or later they're going to learn that terrible, disturbed, gross, perverted people exist. My Mom was a single mother who worked nights, and I was left alone for a lot of my childhood. Got into all kinds of things I wasn't supposed to, and I turned out fine, if I may say so myself.

Kids are better off when they're well balanced, well adjusted. When they know that not everything's perfect, because it isn't, is it? Complaining that such movies exist because they might catch a glimpse of things that ACTUALLY HAPPEN is ridiculous, and trying to stop it at every turn, in my eyes, is more damaging to any child.

Being honest with your kids, and giving them the tools to deal with reality when they finally stumble upon it, is the best thing you can do for them. Keeping them wrapped up in a bubble and pretending everything's dandy when that clearly isn't the case is going to land them straight on their butts when they make it into the real world.

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What I don't understand is why is the fact that it's a Hollywood movie make it any less wrong? If it's wrong, it's wrong whether it is in Hollywood or Houston. Wrong is wrong.

Today's parents are terrified to put a picture of their toddler on facebook without a shirt on because C.P.S. might cry pornography, but if it's in a movie where everybody makes money it's okay? Go figure.

Originally posted by slsphd
reply to post by kyle43

 

What I don't understand is why is the fact that it's a Hollywood movie make it any less wrong? If it's wrong, it's wrong whether it is in Hollywood or Houston. Wrong is wrong.

Today's parents are terrified to put a picture of their toddler on facebook without a shirt on because C.P.S. might cry pornography, but if it's in a movie where everybody makes money it's okay? Go figure.

No. It doesn't make these things that happen in reality ok. Seeing someone get raped in a film, or on TV, or reading about it in a book, doesn't make rape acceptable. It's like any form of art - in most cases it's telling a story. People having experiences and sharing them, sometimes even embellishing them to get a point across - experiences that unfortunately take place in real life.

People enjoy reading books and listening to music and watching films for entertainment, but also because sometimes you can relate. God forbid someone do something they enjoy and are good at, like create a song or a book someone happens to find offensive, but they make money off it. Not everyone's so sensitive about everything they and their children may be exposed to.

OMG still dragging this non-issue?
Movies are movies, get over it, no one cares if you get hurt watching a movie, I do sometimes and avoid some movie plots because of that.
As said already, movies are movies, get over it...

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Wow... seriously?

Talk about shooting the messenger and ignoring the message.

That video wasn't posted out of context, in fact it was a point of contention where one side of the argument (you referenced it yourself, which is what the reply was to) was claiming how the scene in question would have adversely affected the child actress. In light of those accusations, and rather than just take a post at it’s word, a serious look at the content was warranted, and as was explained in my post, there is actually nothing even remotely inappropriate, content wise, in the scene other than the distressing concept the overall effect of the scene is aimed at conveying, which it succeeded in doing through clever editing.

Rather than address the post with intelligent discussion you sidestep the post and turn it to how the internet is to blame, claiming rules have been broken.

I'm pretty sure I’ve read that the motto of the site was something about denying ignorance, which by carefully looking at the issues raised, I was trying to do... and due to the wonders and "freedom" of the internet, it makes it possible to find freely available content, discuss and seriously analyse the item in question, in the context of ideas raised within this thread.

The internet is an open forum, where much worse than this video can be found, especially when taken in the context of an ongoing discussion looking specifically at the issue of children being abused in the making of movies. Even looking up the word "Nuns" in a search engine returns some questionable results, so hounddog probably isn’t that bad… lol. It's actually probably better that a child find it in this forum, where the content is being discussed in an adult manner, rather than find it on Youtube by themselves (regardless, i guarantee the youtube link will come up in a search above this ATS thread).

As a completely open forum, parents should be aware of what their children do on the internet, and teach their children good values and acceptable internet surfing practices. Completely free access to the web is similar to walking the streets of a city at night; you may come across something you didn't want to…

Maybe the parent should be helping their child with projects that use the net, helping them learn and get some quality time together, also getting the chance to address anything offensive that they may come across in an intelligent manner.

Cheers

Originally posted by nihonjindesu08
I think I understand now, from other's responses, how the actual filming of a child in a certain scene could be done without hurting them, but what about when they want to see the movie when it's done? Just don't let them see it I guess?

That is the neat thing about children. They do not have to get everything they want. A good parent would employ that into everyday life.

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Really now? A thread about "The Butterfly Effect" and you got Marxists, Satanism, and the Vatican all in two posts. Wow. Either you really really know some stuff

or

just toss words around.

One of those two.


Anyway...Anyone actually checked with little Sarah to see if she suffers from Eric Stoltz child rape repercussions ? Anyone?

You can call her mommy and ask how she is doing.

Kathleen Widdows Casting Inc
994 Sinclair St, West Vancouver, BC, V7V 3V9
604-922-7562

That is a public business phone number and address and not a private personal one.

OMG people wake up!

Hollywood is trying to rape and kill your children and you do not even know it.

Just look here! They actually let these kids be that close to these dinosaurs.
Sick sick stuff going on in hollywood.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Hollywood is getting more and more outrageous in what they portray on-screen, and they get away with it. Then we wonder why our society has gone so far down the tubes.

Is hollywood doing this to us or are we asking for it? Hollywood is no longer in the habit of taking big gambles or going for the long shot. It is all about making money and putting out what sells. It seems to be selling just fine. Are hollywood agents forcing people to not only pay to see this crap or are they downright demanding more of it?

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Originally posted by Charmed707
reply to post by Forevever

 

Body doubles are NOT always used. In the movie Bastard Out of Carolina, for example, the actor in the movie heavily kisses a little girl and then rapes her. Pillows were used during the rape scene.

Wait. Are you saying that using pillows is even worse for the child actor not acting in the scene than a body double?

The actor himself got so disgusted when seeing this scene at the theater that he got up and left, wondering how he could have went through with that. The only excuse actors and film-makers have is "It's my job to pretend to rape a little girl" or "It's my job to film a pretend child-rape scene". Sorry, that just doesn't cut it. They should NOT be above the law and any parents who are so greedy to put their child in this situation should be closely examined.

Pretty sure you just killed your own argument.

This ADULT actor raped some pillows and even he could not believe what it ended up looking like he did on screen. Where was the child hurt? Was she later hit with said pillows?

Originally posted by Devern
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but if you find the "examples" on the first few pages as grusome
you should try watching "A Serbian Movie".

Infant murder/necrophilia ain't for the faint hearted.

And yes i agree, it can actually seem like we are being desensitized.

It was also an amazing film on many levels that never quite translated to an American audience and the scenes in that movie were very very very carefully mapped out as to not actually be anything like the final result. Definitely not for a weak stomach but after spending some time getting to know where the writer and director were coming from and how they approached it was a huge help to understanding why it was what it was.

Originally posted by Nola213
If people like the OP had thier way we wouldn't have such amazing films because of "too much violence" , "implied sexual acts/rape", "adult language"(I always loved that one) heh adult language.

We'd be deprived of classics like A Clockwork Orange , The Exorcist, The GodFather, Many of Quentin Taratinos movies, "OldBoy, EraserHead, Audition, Taxi Driver (yes a 13 yr old Jodie Foster playing a prostitute). One of my top 5 favorite movies of all time. I could go on and on, but you cannot censor art.

You forgot the bible.
There is no other book out there with more rape, sex, violence, incest, etc.

We here in Europe, we have outright PORNOGRAPHY on countless TV channels. In the evening it's only nudity, after midnight its VERY, VERY extreme and explicit. I am talking about normal TV, not some "special channels".

(To quote my US American wife: What the "weight loss infomercials in the states are, here it's sex infomercials")

In some tabloid-style mainstream newspapers and some of their websites, we have full nudity. Nudity is all present in mainstream media, magazines etc. As someone who lived in the US i *know* the difference is extreme, its not even remotely comparable

In some northern EU countries you can buy porn in normal stores.

Why is that we don't have a crazy disturbed society with our (European) children all screwed up because of all the nudity etc.?

Why, in the 50s, 60s, 70s it was quite accepted to smoke....and the society/kids at that time also not "shocked" or traumatized by the public acceptance of smoking?


ANSWER: Because children *per se* would not get traumatized if it would by accident get exposed to nudity, the TRAUMA is actually formed by the "traumatized" parents and is jumping off to the children - it's the parents reaction which causes the "trauma" in the first place.

If a kid is raised with KNOWING that nudity is something normal (because it is, although you americans of course will never understand it - there will be no "trauma" or damage to the kid. Instead, it will grow up healthy with a balanced and healthy view, instead of being "traumatized" and ending up with psychological damage as seems to be case in the US. YOU are the ones traumatizing your own children!

Originally posted by wcitizen

The former. I don't watch the Propaganda Machine and I do my own research.

I researched pretty good and could not find this Satan person you mention having any record of existing. I also know what Marxism is and that is has nothing to do with anything in this thread. As far as the Vatican, again nothing to do with this thread.

You should try it some time, it's not rocket science.

Saying I need to try doing research because I do not agree with the random pablum you spew with no real logic or backing facts has gotten a little tired.

I see you're another one of those who insults people with different views from yours.....but can't be bothered to compile an intelligent reply..

I asked if anyone checked on Sarah to see if there is a good reason to be upset on her behalf. How is that an insult?

Your reply has nothing intelligent in it and all you did was suggest I do not research. Pot, meet kettle.

If people like the OP had thier way we wouldn't have such amazing films because of "too much violence" , "implied sexual acts/rape", "adult language"(I always loved that one) heh adult language.

We'd be deprived of classics like A Clockwork Orange , The Exorcist, The GodFather, Many of Quentin Taratinos movies, "OldBoy, EraserHead, Audition, Taxi Driver (yes a 13 yr old Jodie Foster playing a prostitute). One of my top 5 favorite movies of all time. I could go on and on, but you cannot censor art.

You are HOPEFULLY aware that your "public" media TV etc. is already censored BEYOND the point of ridiculousness? Right? Go watch a movie on TV and compare to the real version on DVD. I don't even want to mention those "re-made" movies where they alter things of classic movies with CGI, eg. replacing guns etc.. Censorship...here you have it.