The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

reply to post by inforeal


You speak lies. The govt brings in more than enough money to pay the debt payments. If the debt ceiling is reached andwe default thats on obama. This bipartisan deal is garbage, there will only be future cuts and hypothetical cuts from the wArs ending. With this deal all we have to look forward to is beimg 23 trillion in debt in ten years instead of 23.

reply to post by inforeal


This claim can only mean something if someone can show where a person has not abused power untill then everything is still equal.

reply to post by poet1b

Um, the republican party supported NAFTA, and promoted NAFTA far more than Clinton supported NAFTA. You are blaming Clinton for policies that were championed by republicans, and the previous Bush admin. Clinton signed these treaties as a effort to compromise with conservatives, who claimed this would be good, getting government out of the way of business and all that free market wacko nonsense. How do yo not know this?

ERRRRRrrrrr
Hillary Clinton assures that they remain committed to NAFTA


Because I looked at who he hired as STAFF instead of reading MSM or watching the boob tube... I tossed it 35 years ago.

Dan Amstutz, ex-CEO of Cargill and ex-employee of Goldman Sachs was CLINTON's Senior trade advisor and CLINTON's under sec of Ag when he wrote the WTO agreement on Ag and the "Freedom to Farm" Act.

During the Clinton Administration Michael R. Taylor was appointed policy chief at the FDA, whose job it was to make policy with regards to these GMOs. Prior to working at the FDA he had been Monsanto’s attorney. He declared GMOs to be the same as natural food and therefore needed no testing.

Gene Sperling, was CLINTON's head of the National Economic Council.

If you were inclined to identify Clintonism with a single person other than the big man himself, that person might well be Gene Sperling...

..Starting in 2001, Mr. Sperling took on a variety of jobs,.... as an adviser to Goldman Sachs. [reward for a job well done??? cv] For much of this period, he worked for the Council on Foreign Relations... www.tradereform.org...

William Daley (a Banker) was Special Council to the President CLINTON and then Clinton’s Commerce Secretary.
'Obama Chief of Staff William Daley recently met with the National Assn. of Manufacturers (NAM).' William Daley urges NAM to lobby for trade agreements


These men were appointed by Clinton as part of his STAFF.

..Before becoming the director of the NEC in the 1990s Sperling worked behind the scenes to secure the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

"He supported fundamentals of the Clinton administration policies which were really wrongheaded," Dean Baker, co-director of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research, told The Washington Post.

By the time Sperling moved up to take over the NEC, he was working on China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, an event which caused millions of manufacturing jobs in U.S. to be permanently lost.

By the time Sperling moved up to take over the NEC, he was working on China’s entry into the World Trade Organization, an event which caused millions of manufacturing jobs in U.S. to be permanently lost.

Sperling also played a major role in repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial and investment banking. Many observers credit the act’s repeal with causing the financial crisis that brought the economy to its knees.

Daley too was instrumental in the passage of NAFTA and China’s entry into the WTO. During the debate over NAFTA, he served as a special council to the president. His only responsibility during that time was ensuring that the trade deal passed....

....Daley moved on to serve as Clinton’s Commerce Secretary from 1997-2000. During that time, he helped pave the way for China’s entry into the WTO....

Daley’s work in the Clinton administration earned him a reputation as someone who is ''squarely on the opposite side of working families.'' At least that’s what labor leaders said about him as he left the Clinton administration to run Al Gore’s failed presidential campaign. ... www.economyincrisis.org...

You can not overlook the fact that Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, a scholarship program RUN by the blasted ROTHCHILDS!!

...the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild... en.wikipedia.org...

congratulations on a misleading ill informed innaccurate title, and for vilifying a populace with a voice.
Ignorant threads such as this do nothing to actually remedy the problem through education and participation and reform,
They simply name call and add more sheet to the pile of sheet we have as government and citizen interaction.
From patriot to brown shirt to nazi to demons all in one thread, and none of it true.

Disgusting!
Learn how your form of government works, how it's built, how it was founded, then look at who truly weakened it and has currently taken it over before you speak,
it ISNT the citizens that the tea party initially represented.

reply to post by inforeal


With all of the heavy handedness of the current administration it is hard to imagine people criticizing the Tea Party. They are the people (us) with no political agenda and no hopes or desires for personal gain. I guess, by doing the right thing, they are really messing up the establishment (something I thought the majority of you here liked!)
It's really easy to be led like sheep and stay ignorant. It's quite another to buck the odds and establishment to do what is right and what our founders intended.
Stop being so small minded and think about your children and grandchildren, even if you don't think about yourself and your fellow citizens.

Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by inforeal

 

It would appear that not only is the Tea Party/GOP guilty of abuse of power, they are also guilty of violating section 4 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in that it clearly states that the legal debts of this nation "shall not be questioned."


www.usconstitution.net...

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

What this means is that the nation's debt shall not be used as a bargaining tool in the political arena which is precisely what the T.P./GOP is currently doing.

No, what it means is that the validity of the public debt shall not be questioned. That's what it says, so that's what it means. They are not questioning the validity of the public debt, they are questioning the wisdom of increasing the limits on the public debt so that MORE debt can be created.

A popular phrase a couple of years ago was "when you find yourself in a hole, the first order of business is to stop digging".

I cannot think of a more pathetic display of unadulterated compassionless ignorance that that being currently displayed by the Tea Party.

I can. Try "threatening to hold old people hostage by withholding monies they've already paid in if you don't get your way" on for size. That is PRECISELY what Obama, Hostage Taker in Chief, did a right at the beginning of this argument.

On the other hand, my belief in "divine order" tells me that this entire experience was necessary in order to expose their true agenda for all of the world to see, thereby insuring that these mindless idiots will never be elected to office again.

heh, heh... don't look behind you... Sure, there was definitely some "exposure" accomplished, but not what you're trying to spin up here... what we saw was just who fought to keep the promises they made when we sent them to DC, and just who fought to BREAK the promises they made when we sent them to DC...

I look for a bumper crop of "change we can believe in" next year...

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Flatfish

 

So, why not move to California? They almost have their socialist utopia completed. No tea party influence, you should be golden there, right? I hope you don't need a job when you get there though.

In California there is the cool Arnold Schwarzenegger >>I'll be back!

Originally posted by Mutant
reply to post by inforeal

 

With all of the heavy handedness of the current administration it is hard to imagine people criticizing the Tea Party. They are the people (us) with no political agenda and no hopes or desires for personal gain.

It's funny how you still try and cling to that notion, despite all actual evidence to the contrary.

Did the 'tea party' begin as a fairly non-partisan group of citizens expressing frustration with the bailouts? Sure. Has it since been co-opted by the GOP via FreedomWorks and FOX news? Are the ONLY representatives in Washington in the 'tea party caucus' all Republicans, many of them social conservatives like Bachman? Yep!!

"The Tea Party" has been co-opted and infiltrated, Until you admit this, no one will take you seriously. The 'tea party' are not anti-war, and have offered no real substantive cuts in spending. They are a piece of political theater.

Funny. Both parties in the United States are screwing America. The Tea Party did not accumulate $14 Trillion in debt.

Did things get better by raising the debt limit from $10 Trillion to $12 Trillion? How about from $12 to $14 Trillion? So, how are things going to be when our debt is $16 Trillion? And will it stop there?

To be perfectly honest, the best thing that America could possibly do right now IS DEFAULT. Other countries have done it before and they will do it again. Bankruptcy laws have existed for a long time to give people, companies and even countries a second chance. Who does the United States owe the bulk of that $14 Trillion to? Banks, Corporations and The Federal Reserve. We've been bailing out the banks and the corporations, letting them ride without taxes for years. America is propping up companies that are supposedly "too big to fail" - and those companies should be sent into bankruptcy. Then other companies that have smarter people, smart policies can pick up parts of those businesses and grow.

Growth always comes through developing a healthy foundation small and medium-sized enterprises. Growth does not come through government spending, through government subsidies, through helping GM finance cars that it cannot sell, from buying properties the banks cannot sell, or any other of that absolute, total crock of BS.

So, before you go blaming the Tea Party - let's take a look at how we got to this situation. America needs people to stand up and say "I don't agree with this, I'm not going to support it, I will not compromise, this is my money, I'm not going to give it to you for your Crack Whore Habits and if you don't like it - BITE MY BUTT."

reply to post by mugger

Limited government,taxes and regulations and adhere to the wishes of its' constituency, not a party.

That is what they claim they are for, but in reality, they are ultra conservative, they want a big military and a big police state, and they want to suppress individual rights. In essence, they want big government.

Every time the republican, conservative, free market preaching people get into office, they consistently create larger and larger government, while at the same time cutting taxes to the super rich, who should pay a majority of the taxes. The result being larger and larger levels of debt, which actually rewards the rich they represent even more.

They do everything in their power to prevent any types of programs that help the under class, they are against a minimum wage, they refuse to give standards of living raises for SS recipients, and they abuse any programs that are designed to look after the welfare of the people, which is clearly stated in the U.S. constitution as a role that the fed government is supposed to fill.

The same neo-con free market preaching repubs also hike up laws that control individual liberty, the war on drugs and the war on terrorism are used to deprive citizens of more and more of our rights, such as warrants for search and seizure, eliminated under the war on drugs. They would like to tell us who we can have sex with and how if given the chance.

At the same time, these same conservatives seek to flood our country with immigrants, legal and illegal, refuse to protect our borders from illegals entering our country, or to enforce the Visa laws, or laws against employers hiring illegals at less than minimum wage rates.

While they claim they want smaller government they consistently spend more and more money on the military i order to extend our military force overseas to protect international corporations that export our jobs, and abuse people in third world nations. They use fed money to bribe third world dictators into doing their bidding, thereby badly damaging our reputation abroad.

These tea baggers are nothing but dyed in the wool conservatives who are pushing the same ole policies as described above. They wouldn't have been revolutionaries during the Rev War, they would have been loyalists, who disapproved of the original tea party.

The main reason democrats were voted out of power is because they fail to stand up to the repubs in congress, which is most likely because these days, they are working for the lobbyists almost as much as the conservatives, although not with as much enthusiasm.

reply to post by inforeal
I think that your post is possibly one of the lamest & most uneducated ones I've run across. If you REALLY believe what you wrote & are having a little bit of a hard time why dont you just write more checks out of your personal account, if that doesn't work, well.... you didn't write enough checks & they wern't big enough. You'll need to write more checks out of your personal account. Dont worry about how much is in the account, that doesn't matter. Right? Dont worry about whether your income matches your output,it doesn't matter, just write more checks, that'll fix the problem. Really, why dont you do that? Go ahead, I'd like to watch the INEVITABLE results. Economics 101 in highschool, first day, first thing, my teacher came in with his checkbook & held it up & said "You can't spend what you dont have in here." A highschool teacher Knew this, highschool students understood this simple truth. Sad to see your education appearntly didn't go that far, so WHY dont you try doing yourself with your own personal account what you want the rest of us to let the Gov. keep doing. Have a nice day!

reply to post by Flatfish

If the Tea Party really wanted to "Save" this country, maybe they should consider chartering several very large cruise ships, get all their people aboard, then sail off into the sunset never looking back. And please, take all your freedom loving Bible thumpers with you!

If I had to depend on the ignorance and hypocrisy of the Tea Party for salvation, I would just as soon be left to my own demise.

Oh you will be and SOONER than you think. The USA is headed for the rocks and the date has been set: 2025

Remember I just showed CLINTON ratified the World Trade Organization??? Well Monsanto was a biggy behind the push for WTO.

Good grief Clinton often PRAISE Monsanto CEO, Robert Shapiro even in his State of the Union Address!

...companies like Monsanto have cozy relationships both with the Clinton administration and the FDA. Clinton has frequently praised Robert Shapiro, the CEO of Monsanto, (including in a State of the Union address). Monsanto's vice president for public policy, Michael Taylor, was formerly the executive assistant to the commissioner of the FDA and was also the deputy commissioner for policy at the FDA when critical policy was made regarding GM foods in the early nineties. Mickey Kantor, personal attorney to Clinton and former US commerce secretary and US trade representative, is currently on Monsanto's board of directors.... health101.org...

more INFO - Monsanto DC connection

Monsanto is still very big in the WTO -go look it up. The Europeans are well aware of the WTO/Monsanto push to feed them GMO.

View of WTO FROM A LIBERAL WEBSITE:
smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...
www.smirkingchimp.com...


So what are the plans of the WTO that Clinton so kindly dumped on the USA?
A year ago in The Global Journal this article appeared Of What Use is Global Governance? written by Pascal Lamy, Director, World Trade Organization (WTO) He speaks of the European Union as sort of an intermediate stage.

...the [EU is] very incarnation of an international organization of integration in which Member States have agreed to relinquish sovereignty in order to strengthen the coherence and effectiveness of their actions.

...If there is one place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tested since the Second World War, it is in Europe. European integration is the most ambitious supranational governance experience ever undertaken. It is the story of interdependence desired, defined, and organized by the Member States. In no respect is the work complete—neither geographically nor in terms of depth (i.e., the powers conferred by the Member States to the E.U.), nor, obviously, in terms of identity....

Our challenge today is to establish a system of global governance that provides a better balance between leadership, effectiveness, and legitimacy on the one hand, and coherence on the other...

And lastly there is "Global Governance 2025" by by US & EU Intelligence Agencies courtesy of Freedom of Information Act, at cia.gov.


The Atlantic Council has a summary HERE

This report analyzes the gap between current international governance institutions, organizations and norms and the demands for global governance likely to be posed by long-term strategic challenges over the next 15 years. The report is the product of research and analysis by the NIC and EUISS following a series of international dialogues co-organized by the Atlantic Council, TPN, and other partner organizations in Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, New Delhi, Pretoria, Sao Paulo & Brasilia, Moscow, and Paris. ....

And looky at what Clinton's Fabian buddy wants:
Oct 2009
Tony Blair for EU President? - CBS News

June 2011
Tony Blair: EU needs elected president, former PM says - Telegraph

Treason for sure, tea baggers should have all of there assets siezed and used to reduce the debt. That would show some real patriotism on there part. Instead they want to destroy this country, break it up and sell it to the corporations thats what the real tea bag agenda is.

reply to post by USXpat

The Tea Party did not accumulate $14 Trillion in debt.

Yeah, they did, the tea baggers are all republicans, and it is the republicans who accumulated the $14T in debt. Anyone who denies this lives in pure fantasy, a programmed zombie who gets his opinions downloaded by the right wing talk show hosts. I think a good term would be radio talk show zombies.

It was in fact tea party type conservatives who handed most of the power in this country over to the bankers and the International Corporations, which are essentially, one and the same. Freeing up money for investment, under free market economic trickle down economics is what gave all the power to the bankers.

How can you not connect the dots?

reply to post by Scytherius
Thank you for proving my point that most socialist liberals on the left are the true nazi's, adolf hitler would be proud of you for that statement. Your statement is threating in nature but most bullies on the left (like yourself) are cowards when met w/ equal opposition. Thank GOD for the second ammendment & 60 million armed Americans. Keep goosestepping to the orders of your nazi leadership and you'll go far skippy.

Anyone who can't place the blame on anyone in government other then "the other side" are incapable of logical honest thought and are irrelevant in political discussions. The country is done, its just a matter of time. We can either stop it now, or we can let it collapse on its own. Either way in the end, its the people who vote that have done this left, right or middle. Those with a belief in government that rivals a belief in the great spaghetti monster in the sky.
We are all slaves and until the people see that, this nonsense is going to continue with the slaves divided along all sorts of lines. Here's my little timeline of history
Gods/Slave Masters
Religion/Royalty
Government

Simple and direct, an unbroken chain of enslavement that now, instead of being forced on you, you are actually voting for.

reply to post by crimvelvet


You are pretty much one sided in your claims. Free trade and the rise of the WTO was heavily promoted by Reagan, and 1992 is the year before Clinton took office. These trade treaties you talk about were created under Reagan and Bush.

Here is a brief history of what has happened, and it doesn't go back to 1913, it goes back mainly to the 1980ties under Reagan.

www.skeptically.org...

The slow and quantitative development of neoliberalism after World War II became more rapid in the 1970s, and not always by peaceful means. One of the often-touted neoliberal success stories is General Augusto Pinochet's Chile – which began with the violent ousting of the democratically-elected government of Salvador Allende. The Allende government had pursued radical left wing policies, and has been labelled "socialist" or "Marxist." "Free market" policies, including privatization of state assets, were imposed by "los Chicago Boys," Chicago school economists inspired by Milton Friedman. These policies were later imitated by the Bretton Woods institutions operating in many other poor countries, particularly in Latin America.

The rise of this wave of neoliberalism culminated with the Reagan government in the United States and that of Margaret Thatcher in Britain. The Reagan and Thatcher governments not only shifted their own countries' policies toward laissez-faire but used their control of the major Bretton Woods institutions to impose their policies on the rest of the world. For this reason, some regard neoliberalism as synonymous with the "Washington Consensus," the dominant policy view at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank, and the U.S. Treasury at the end of the twentieth century and the start of the twenty-first. A major axiom of the neoliberal school is that (to quote Thatcher) "There Is No Alternative" to globalized capitalism. This slogan is often abbreviated as "TINA."

exchange.ydr.com...

"Reagan taught us deficits don't matter," Dick Cheney once boasted.

But not even the staunchest of Reaganites (Democrat or Republican) would make that assertion today. Those who are celebrating the centennial of President Reagan's birth are rejoicing in the trajectory he put the nation on. And what a trajectory these last three decades have been.

At the start of his 1980 campaign, after undergoing several cram sessions with enthusiasts of "supply side" economic theory, Reagan told an interviewer: "an across the board reduction in tax rates, every time it has been tried, it has resulted in such an increase in prosperity . . . that even government winds up with more revenue." But Reagan had no evidence to support this assertion, which his own vice president, George Herbert Walker Bush, famously denounced during the Republican primaries as "voodoo economics."

...

Greenspan had been a close associate of the free-market guru and Atlas Shrugged author, Ayn Rand, and, along with Milton Friedman, was among the academic economists most famous for holding an almost religious devotion to the precepts of laissez-faire capitalism. The Greenspan Commission imposed higher payroll taxes on working people, which accounted for about half of the hike in taxes from 1984 to 1989. The Commission's work was widely praised because the legislation that sprung from it was bipartisan. But the higher payroll taxes, along with the regressive tax increases contained in the TEFRA and other acts of Congress during the 1980s, constituted nearly a 50 percent tax hike on lower-and middle-class workers.

Cash strapped state and local governments also raised taxes to offset the reductions in federal assistance. When viewed in the context of the substantially lower tax rates for the highest income earners, the changes in the tax structure associated with Reaganomics amounted to one of the largest redistributions of wealth upward in U.S. history.

By 1984, Reagan had largely succeeded in realigning the economic debate away from Keynesianism with its positive view of the role of government and toward a culture that valued deregulation and free markets over all else. Large swathes of the public had become suspicious of social programs and contemptuous of government. In 1987, Reagan appointed Greenspan to chair the Federal Reserve Board, which was a post he held for the next eighteen years, thereby institutionalizing many of the tenets of Reaganomics. Deregulation, along with "free trade" and cutting welfare spending, became bipartisan orthodoxy in Washington as domestic policy moved definitively in the Republicans' direction.

What came after Reagan were bipartisan "free trade" agreements, NAFTA, GATT and the WTO, which ended up outsourcing millions of good-paying American jobs to low-wage countries. Then came the bipartisan deregulation of the Telecommunications industry that gave us Fox News, and at the close of Clinton's second term, the bipartisan deregulation of the financial services industry that took a mere eight years to bring the nation's economy to its knees.

You might want to consider the roles conservatives have played in the destruction of our economy, as it was the primary role.

reply to post by woodwardjnr

The thing I have a little trouble with, is the fact the Tea Parties began in 2009, less than one year after Obama took office. Would the Tea Party still have got together say if it had been Mccain and Palin who won in 2008....

As I said before the unrest was there BEFORE 2008 in response to the threat of WTO and the Agreement on Ag. The liberal faction - organic consumers, and the Conservative faction - farmers came together to FIGHT BIG AG.

Guess what??? We found we had a lot more in common than we thought.

So the "Awakening" came well BEFORE the election in 2008. Heck it came before anyone even HEARD of Obama. We were intent on fighting BUSH back then.

We had some hope that there would actually be "Change" with Obama. No NAIS made it fairly high on Change.org

Then Obama appointed the Monsanto puppet, Tom Vilsack and Democrat Rosa Delauro hits the ground running with Monsanto's dream bill, HR 875

Meanwhile the various groups were continuing research and finding lots of slimy stuff (Federal Reserve) under all the rocks they turned over.

Many of the groups liked Ron Paul and supported him. 97% of his funds came from individuals. He recieved record breaking internet donations which most have scared TPTB. When he bowed out of the 2008 race he started "Campaign for Liberty" with his left over war chest and those grass roots organizations didn't evaporate as TPTB hoped.

Then the 2008 economic crisis hit along with the Bank Bailouts, the WORLD Food Crisis and food riots (which we traced back to big Ag and WTO) FINALLY when you tried to wake people up you did not get a big YAWN, they were interested!

And so the "Tea Party" was born. Whether it is another puppet like Organic Consumers and Food & Water Watch - only time will tell.

But the reason the Tea Party has become a big target is because all this started as real honest grass roots and not as a fluffy banker funded trap like the rest of the NGOs.

Maurice Strong was senior advisor to the President of the World Bank and Senor Advisor to the United Nation. He also was on the UN's Commision for Global Governance.


Maurice Strong's early work with YMCA international “...may have been the genesis of Strong's realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” sovereignty.net...

As Hofstra University law professor Peter Spiro describes it:

"Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues," notes Peter Spiro.

"Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots."

(The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations.)
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Notice how the NGOs have some how become an "Arm" of the United Nations......

Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
reply to post by Scytherius

 

Thank you for proving my point that most socialist liberals on the left are the true nazi's, adolf hitler would be proud of you for that statement.

Yeah, because comparing anyone you disagree with to Hitler and the Nazi's is always the sign of an educated and reasoned perspective.