What if evolution has it backwards....

What if things go from being small to huge instead of huge to small. For example, it could be that small insects or animals grew into dinosaurs and then they all died somehow and it started all over and now things are small slowly getting big again. For example, most humans back then were short and now we are getting taller and taller. What if our destiny is to grow tall like the dinosaurs and then be destroyed again by some comet or something? What do you think?

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That is an interesting idea. If i am understanding right are you thinking in terms of it being a cycle that keeps repeating itself. For example if humans were to grow bigger and become like the dinosaurs, then what we know in the past as "cave men" would have to evolve again from smaller animals thus repeating history?

Personally I believe that evolution is right the way it is now, but there is definately nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box.

neanderthals were larger than modern man, there is only one instance. us little guys beat the "huge" huge guys, so who is to say that size matters?

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Personally I believe that it is our destiny to evolve to a purely spiritual form where there is no reliance on food, water, and flesh. I think this makes more sense than getting huge ... and not much of a destiny to get destroyed by a comet. Maybe it's our destiny to find a way not to get destroyed by a comet.

It is also my personal belief that Jesus was one of these evolved human beings born into the flesh so that man would comprehend him

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No such thing as evolution. evolution is nothing more then a fable for the brain disabled.

What if the world spun slower causing less gravity in the distant past? This may be why thing grew larger then and slowly the Earth has picked up speed in her rotation and now animals are smaller due to more gravity. Gravity is still mysterious in our understanding of it so who's to say?

If nature requires us to change in that way, then it could happen.

Animals were larger because the air had alot higher concentration of oxygen in it. It was alot easier for the plants and animals back then to transport oxygen through their blood since there was alot more of it.

Some else can probably explain this better, but pretty much that is it in a nutshell.

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like creationism

Originally posted by arpgme
What if things go from being small to huge instead of huge to small. For example, it could be that small insects or animals grew into dinosaurs and then they all died somehow and it started all over and now things are small slowly getting big again.

It all depends on environmental conditions. Size changes are not fundamental constants of evolution. It depends on resources avaliable (more nutrients will grow a larger individual but not influence the genes they might pass on) and what mutations are advantageous to that environment. For instance, when large mammal species are introduced to islands, they tend to become smaller because it's advantageous for their new habitat. Being an African elephant on an island would be rough considering the amount of food they eat daily.

Originally posted by Nebulous1973
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No such thing as evolution. evolution is nothing more then a fable for the brain disabled.

Evolution: Change in the allele frequency in a population over time (successive generations.) Whoops, looks like there IS such a thing as evolution.

Learn the terminology before you make such claims.

Originally posted by watchitburn
Animals were larger because the air had alot higher concentration of oxygen in it. It was alot easier for the plants and animals back then to transport oxygen through their blood since there was alot more of it.

Some else can probably explain this better, but pretty much that is it in a nutshell.

Ah, ok, that explains it. I didn't actually believe that things were just going to grow larger all over again, that was just an interesting "What if" idea I had.

Well... We know from fossilized evidence there were once giant dragon flies like a foot long ( 30 cm )
This is thought to be because of a higher percentage of oxygen in our atmosphere.
Their breathing system exists from tunnels through their outer skeleton to suck air in.. The amount of oxygen in that air right now limits them to get bigger as they are now. Increase the oxygen levels and insects are capable of growing bigger .

It seems that oxygen acts like a catalyst that increases the reaction.

People have been bigger during the early middle ages and before ,but when you take a look at a couple of hundred years ago they were tiny.

During that time the Earth experienced a little ice age with a direct influence on good oil and harvest quantity and quality. Basically people were continuously under standards so they stayed small .

Elephants these days also know a huge difference in size. Like the African forest elephant is way smaller then the one living on the grasslands. So habitat is also a big influential factor..

Other causes could be less gravity in the past...

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New evidence suggest that Neanderthal was do to their adaptations to a cold life less abundant in numbers then modern man. Vulcanic activity in central europe almost wiped them out and those left were so few their line died out
well except for those who interbreeded with modern man since 4 % of our DNA comes directly from them ( caucasian man )

They were not the cave men we have so long assumed they were that is for sure

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
What if the world spun slower causing less gravity in the distant past? This may be why thing grew larger then and slowly the Earth has picked up speed in her rotation and now animals are smaller due to more gravity. Gravity is still mysterious in our understanding of it so who's to say?

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Gravity has nothing to do with an objects rotation. It's the product of an object's mass. You appear to be confusing gravity with centrifugal force.

Originally posted by Nebulous1973
No such thing as evolution. evolution is nothing more then a fable for the brain disabled.

You're either trolling, you have no idea what really constitutes evolution, or you're thoroughly delusional.

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PieKeeper has it right. To a first approximation, diet appropriates the sizes of organisms. Many organisms today can even "control" how big they get, and when they mature, based on the resources that are available. Obviously there are biomechanical limits to size, an elephant will be relatively big regardless of diet.

Originally posted by arpgme
What if things go from being small to huge instead of huge to small. For example, it could be that small insects or animals grew into dinosaurs and then they all died somehow and it started all over and now things are small slowly getting big again. For example, most humans back then were short and now we are getting taller and taller. What if our destiny is to grow tall like the dinosaurs and then be destroyed again by some comet or something? What do you think?

First off evolution did not restart when the dinosaurs went extinct. Not even all "dinosaurs" went extinct there is over 9000 living species under the suborder of saurischian dinosaurs .. Today we know them as ... Birds.

You do seem to have the right idea that that bigger species have the hardest time surviving when something like a asteroid dramatically cahanges the environment. They are hit hardest in the aftermath, For obvious reasons like change in oxygen levels. *more on this later*

When all these huge dinosaurs started dying off it opened the door for our accessors the first mammals to evolve bigger. For reason such as less predators and competition for food, land and the such.

There is no goal like getting bigger or smaller. It is just adaptation to the environment. Everyone can argue oxygen levels and all that. But it really does not matter. There is nothing saying we need to get bigger.
Early mammals were small because ... Well the dinos ruled the day and we used the same oxygen as them.

If you are still worried about our species dieing out because we will get to big you should know.
The change in oxygen levels would really effect the bigger dinosaurs if they had the same respiratory system as lets say .. Yes .. Birds. Something we do not share.

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Originally posted by Nebulous1973
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No such thing as evolution. evolution is nothing more then a fable for the brain disabled.

Solid argument. I have went over your argument for a couple of hours now and have concluded you are correct !
God did. Everything we know and can see with our own eyes is bull#.

Originally posted by arpgme
What if things go from being small to huge instead of huge to small. For example, it could be that small insects or animals grew into dinosaurs and then they all died somehow and it started all over and now things are small slowly getting big again. For example, most humans back then were short and now we are getting taller and taller. What if our destiny is to grow tall like the dinosaurs and then be destroyed again by some comet or something? What do you think?

Evolution is complete and total BS taught to you and our children in school. The best scientific minds that teach evolution also at one time taught that the earth was flat.

One can not stand in front of our maker and assert we molded our actions and thoughts because we were told too, that will not suffice. Do not trust what we have always been brainwashed to think. Instead, rely mostly on your own common sense, it is the one thing they can't take away from you yet.

If it doesn't feel right, search out your feelings and doubt, use the internet and all the tools still afforded to you as of right now and make your own decision. At the end of the day, your guess is just as good as theres, trust me...

Big Bang........ LOL........ Ok? Give me an Fing break, we have trouble landing a probe on Mars but we know how the entire Universe was created? That is narcissistic and dangerously ignorant. We have no concept or scope of even the basic forces at work that drive our very existence, remove your faith in science as it is ALWAYS an embarrassing work in progress.

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Okay just out of curiosity ... Why is the big bang bull# ?
Please don't just spew ignorants like your last post. Actually explain why you think Evolution and/or the Big Bang are a impossibility ?

All you are saying is "I disagree but am to stupid to put an argument against it. BUT you are retarded if you believe in something like the big bang"


OH .. common sense ...

So you mean #ing magic in more believable ?