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But a woman will be saved through having children, if she perseveres in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.
He rightly said that we cannot simply explain away the passage and ignore it, but he also rightly said that the application is not to ban women from having short hair. He went on to explain that there were many many temple prostitutes in Corinth around the time that Paul was writing this letter, and the way that temple prostitutes identified themselves as such was by shaving their heads. So when Paul is saying it is “disgraceful” for a woman who is a member of the church to “shave her head” he is saying that women who are a part of the family of God should not dress like prostitutes.
And if the exact same logic that the presenter applied to 1 Corinthians 11 were applied to 1 Corinthians 14 and 1 Timothy 2, passages often cited by those who argue women should not be pastors, then it would be clear that these passages are teaching something different entirely. To briefly (and admittedly inadequately) summarize them, 1 Corinthians 14 is saying that uneducated persons should not disrupt worship by constantly asking questions in public but rather should seek answers to their questions in private and the 1 Timothy 2 passage is inspired by the fact that in that culture women were especially prone to influence by pagan cults in the culture and thus should not be permitted to teach at Christian gatherings. I would suggest that today anyone who has been recently influenced by false teaching should undergo a period of “learning with all submissiveness” (1 Tim. 2:11) before teaching others.
Ephesians 5:20-33 (Amplified Bible) 20 At all times and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father. 21 Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One). 22 Wives, be subject (be submissive and adapt yourselves) to your own husbands as [a service] to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the Head of the church, Himself the Savior of [His] body. 24 As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word, 27 That He might present the church to Himself in glorious splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such things [that she might be holy and faultless]. 28 Even so husbands should love their wives as [being in a sense] their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself. 29 For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and carefully protects and cherishes it, as Christ does the church, 30 Because we are members (parts) of His body. 31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. 32 This mystery is very great, but I speak concerning [the relation of] Christ and the church. 33 However, let each man of you [without exception] love his wife as [being in a sense] his very own self; and let the wife see that she respects and reverences her husband [that she notices him, regards him, honors him, prefers him, venerates, and esteems him; and that she defers to him, praises him, and loves and admires him exceedingly].
1 Peter 3:2 (Amplified Bible) 2When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him--to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband].
Originally posted by Elostone
Sounds to me as though a Calvinist revival has blown thru your town.
From my POV, Some men have always been resentful of a woman's ability to reproduce,,,the Christian Bible is an example of this. In ancient cultures, women were revered for it.
Bring on the flames, lol
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Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by Akragon
Hi there Akragon, you got to be a woman Yes you are totally right, we are equal as human beings, it's all about marriage and how the two suppose to be to each other, loving each other completely and faithfully.
As for women being the leaders of the church, I won't go there with you. Because it would be futile on my part.
And yes your right again about women being more fun physically, especially to play with, yes they are fun to play with.
As for the spiritual part, men think with the brain and women think with the heart, so you put the two together and two makes one complete.
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Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by nithaiah
You don't get it of what I mean. There is a difference between normal up bringing of men and women. Those that no their identity that have a good view about themselves.
On the other side of the coin, of course men can think from the heart and women from their brains, but what I'm talking about is a different thing.
Originally posted by nithaiah
Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by nithaiah
You don't get it of what I mean. There is a difference between normal up bringing of men and women. Those that no their identity that have a good view about themselves.
On the other side of the coin, of course men can think from the heart and women from their brains, but what I'm talking about is a different thing.
"Normal" is nonexistent. We should not be programmed to fill certain slots. We should be free to choose the lives we live, in as much as it harms none. My disagreement with it has nothing to do with a lack of comprehension. My disagreement comes from a fundamental resistance to being forced into a mold that does not fit.