It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
I'd also like to note that you posted your rebuttal without addressing any of my original points,
then flatly declared that a natural gas explosion was the most likely explanation,
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
I don't know what it was, but a gas explosion sounds a lot more plausible than an asteroid impact to me.
"We don't know if it was the main, we don't know if it was the service line, if it was inside the house, outside the house," Kocher said. "It's all very preliminary at this point."
The cause of the explosion was unclear. The state Public Utility Commission is investigating and looking for any violations of state or federal law, said agency spokeswoman Jennifer Kocher.
"I've never seen anything like that. It's a crater in the earth the size of two homes," Casey said moments after his tour. "It reminds us not only of the tragedy that happened there, but that there are consequences to allowing our underground infrastructure to deteriorate.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
1) A routine leak-detection check of the gas main that serves the area on the day before the explosion found no problems.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
4) At least one resident heard a "series of booms" that she couldn't locate:
Dorothy Yanett, 65, has lived on the block for nearly 40 years. She was in her living room with her husband awaiting the evening news when she heard a series of booms, she said.
"I couldn't tell where it was coming from," she said. "Everything falling and crashing, glass, just a nightmare."
She found glass in the shoes she was going to put to leave the house.
"There was no odor, there was no smell. Then it was like all hell broke loose."
www.courierpostonline.com...
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
5) A 17-year-old neighbor described seeing a brief yellow glow in the house just before it exploded:
"Everything turned yellow," Sheila Guzman of 1239 Allen St. said in Spanish. "It was not a small light. It was the whole house. Then [there was] an explosion so big and everything was gone."
www.mcall.com...
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
6) The explosion left an enormous crater in the ground. After touring the site, U.S. Senator Bob Casey said, "I've never seen anything like that. It's a crater in the earth the size of two homes."
www.philly.com...
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
7) On Feb. 9, 2011 -- the day of the explosion -- this message appeared on NASA's Spaceweather site:
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH A VW-BUG: Newly-discovered asteroid 2011 CA7 is flying past Earth today only 63,000 miles away, or 1/4th the distance to the Moon. At closest approach around 1930 UT on Feb. 9th, the VW-Bug-sized space rock will zip through the constellation Orion glowing like a 17th magnitude star.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Seven strange facts about the suspected natural gas explosion that killed five people, damaged or destroyed 47 homes and was heard up to eight miles away:
1) A routine leak-detection check of the gas main that serves the area on the day before the explosion found no problems.
2) There was no history of leaks for that section of 12-inch cast-iron main, there had been no recent construction in the area and there were no calls about gas odors in the month prior to the explosion.
3) People who lived near the blast site described a feeling that all of the air had been sucked out of the room just before the explosion.
4) At least one resident heard a "series of booms" that she couldn't locate:
Dorothy Yanett, 65, has lived on the block for nearly 40 years. She was in her living room with her husband awaiting the evening news when she heard a series of booms, she said.
"I couldn't tell where it was coming from," she said. "Everything falling and crashing, glass, just a nightmare."
She found glass in the shoes she was going to put to leave the house.
"There was no odor, there was no smell. Then it was like all hell broke loose."
www.courierpostonline.com...
5) A 17-year-old neighbor described seeing a brief yellow glow in the house just before it exploded:
"Everything turned yellow," Sheila Guzman of 1239 Allen St. said in Spanish. "It was not a small light. It was the whole house. Then [there was] an explosion so big and everything was gone."
www.mcall.com...
6) The explosion left an enormous crater in the ground. After touring the site, U.S. Senator Bob Casey said, "I've never seen anything like that. It's a crater in the earth the size of two homes."
www.philly.com...
7) On Feb. 9, 2011 -- the day of the explosion -- this message appeared on NASA's Spaceweather site:
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH A VW-BUG: Newly-discovered asteroid 2011 CA7 is flying past Earth today only 63,000 miles away, or 1/4th the distance to the Moon. At closest approach around 1930 UT on Feb. 9th, the VW-Bug-sized space rock will zip through the constellation Orion glowing like a 17th magnitude star.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Seven strange facts about the suspected natural gas explosion that killed five people, damaged or destroyed 47 homes and was heard up to eight miles away:
1) A routine leak-detection check of the gas main that serves the area on the day before the explosion found no problems.
2) There was no history of leaks for that section of 12-inch cast-iron main, there had been no recent construction in the area and there were no calls about gas odors in the month prior to the explosion.
3) People who lived near the blast site described a feeling that all of the air had been sucked out of the room just before the explosion.
4) At least one resident heard a "series of booms" that she couldn't locate:
Dorothy Yanett, 65, has lived on the block for nearly 40 years. She was in her living room with her husband awaiting the evening news when she heard a series of booms, she said.
"I couldn't tell where it was coming from," she said. "Everything falling and crashing, glass, just a nightmare."
She found glass in the shoes she was going to put to leave the house.
"There was no odor, there was no smell. Then it was like all hell broke loose."
www.courierpostonline.com...
5) A 17-year-old neighbor described seeing a brief yellow glow in the house just before it exploded:
"Everything turned yellow," Sheila Guzman of 1239 Allen St. said in Spanish. "It was not a small light. It was the whole house. Then [there was] an explosion so big and everything was gone."
www.mcall.com...
6) The explosion left an enormous crater in the ground. After touring the site, U.S. Senator Bob Casey said, "I've never seen anything like that. It's a crater in the earth the size of two homes."
www.philly.com...
7) On Feb. 9, 2011 -- the day of the explosion -- this message appeared on NASA's Spaceweather site:
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH A VW-BUG: Newly-discovered asteroid 2011 CA7 is flying past Earth today only 63,000 miles away, or 1/4th the distance to the Moon. At closest approach around 1930 UT on Feb. 9th, the VW-Bug-sized space rock will zip through the constellation Orion glowing like a 17th magnitude star.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Seven strange facts about the suspected natural gas explosion that killed five people, damaged or destroyed 47 homes and was heard up to eight miles away:
1) A routine leak-detection check of the gas main that serves the area on the day before the explosion found no problems.
2) There was no history of leaks for that section of 12-inch cast-iron main, there had been no recent construction in the area and there were no calls about gas odors in the month prior to the explosion.
3) People who lived near the blast site described a feeling that all of the air had been sucked out of the room just before the explosion.
4) At least one resident heard a "series of booms" that she couldn't locate:
Dorothy Yanett, 65, has lived on the block for nearly 40 years. She was in her living room with her husband awaiting the evening news when she heard a series of booms, she said.
"I couldn't tell where it was coming from," she said. "Everything falling and crashing, glass, just a nightmare."
She found glass in the shoes she was going to put to leave the house.
"There was no odor, there was no smell. Then it was like all hell broke loose."
www.courierpostonline.com...
5) A 17-year-old neighbor described seeing a brief yellow glow in the house just before it exploded:
"Everything turned yellow," Sheila Guzman of 1239 Allen St. said in Spanish. "It was not a small light. It was the whole house. Then [there was] an explosion so big and everything was gone."
www.mcall.com...
6) The explosion left an enormous crater in the ground. After touring the site, U.S. Senator Bob Casey said, "I've never seen anything like that. It's a crater in the earth the size of two homes."
www.philly.com...
7) On Feb. 9, 2011 -- the day of the explosion -- this message appeared on NASA's Spaceweather site:
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH A VW-BUG: Newly-discovered asteroid 2011 CA7 is flying past Earth today only 63,000 miles away, or 1/4th the distance to the Moon. At closest approach around 1930 UT on Feb. 9th, the VW-Bug-sized space rock will zip through the constellation Orion glowing like a 17th magnitude star.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
To be honest, I'm tired of the numerous debunkers on this site -- some of whom are absolutely pseudoskeptics and professional disinformationists -- who immediately jump all over every thread that suggests an alternative theory, cover-up or conspiracy. If this is the way they feel about EVERY topic, then why do they spend all their free time on a conspiracy site? Why aren't they at JREF or BAUT forums? I don't believe in organized religion, but I'm not gonna spend every waking moment on Christian websites arguing with true believers.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
As for the accusation that I'm employing some kind of tactic or already have my mind made up, that's simply not true. I considered my reply to be possible explanations in support of an original hypothesis which is by no means conclusive or definitive. But how sympathetic should I be towards someone who doesn't even acknowledge my original points? BTW, I have relatives in Allentown, which is why questions and doubts about the official explanation from ATS member burntheships in her thread caught my attention.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
While doing some research on the sounds made by meteors, I came across a thread that described you as "the resident expert on meteors." If I had known who you were, I wouldn't have been so dismissive. Matter of fact, I probably would've solicited your opinion.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Before this thread is finished, I'm gonna earn your respect and prove there's validity to my allegations.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
On Feb. 10, 2011, the very next night after the Allentown explosion, there was another purported natural gas explosion in Hanoverton, Ohio, near the Pennsylvania border. But this time, there's only an AP story:
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Hoppel said he observed the sky ''all lit up'' from the county seat in Lisbon, about 20 miles from the scene of the blast. Others up to 40 miles away reported seeing a glow, he said.
Company spokesman Richard Wheatley said an investigation is under way.
The explosion involved a 36-inch, buried transmission line that dates to the 1960s and carries natural gas through the region, he said. Mechanisms in the section that ''failed'' automatically shut off the segment and the residual gas burned off, he said.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
And people could hear a "cracking" or whooshing sound like a blowtorch from 20-25 miles away?
In addition to the incredible distances, does any of this sound familiar?
What do you think?
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Yes, I noticed the thread the other night... but since it seems to involve a confirmed gas leak, if anything I think this hurts your argument that the previous event was a meteor, or at the very least it seems irrelevant to this event we are talking about here.
DUNGANNON - Officials say it may take months before they know what caused Thursday night's major gas pipeline explosion...
...it sounded like someone put a blow torch up to my ear.
and the 2nd time [seeing a meteor] it was further away and sounded more like a roaring fire, almost like a blacksmiths fire, you know how fire gets wooshing when air is forced into the fire. i forget the terminology but if youve ever heard a super strong fire, you know the sound.
Md. man says he found meteor fragments
By Washington Post editors
January 4, 2011
A Frederick man who witnessed a falling meteor last week said he has found parts of it.
Al LaBrush was walking out of Danielle's restaurant in Frederick on Tuesday night when he said he heard a crackling, popping sound. He looked up and saw a white, sparkling meteor about 1,500 to 3,000 feet away, going from the south to the east/northeast, he said. Several others in the area reported seeing a meteor about the same time, around 6:50 p.m. Tuesday.
Two days later, he went out to look for fragments of the meteor and said he found several.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by C.H.U.D.
OMG, those weren't replies, that was a doctoral dissertation! The theory I'm offering isn't important enough to spend that kind of time and effort creating massive rebuttals with line-by-line dissections. It's overkill, not to mention kind of annoying...
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
You claim that you've never heard a blowtorch-like "whooshing" sound being associated with meteors, but a poster on a thread about meteor sounds that you responded to said exactly that:
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
...it sounded like someone put a blow torch up to my ear.
and the 2nd time [seeing a meteor] it was further away and sounded more like a roaring fire, almost like a blacksmiths fire, you know how fire gets wooshing when air is forced into the fire. i forget the terminology but if youve ever heard a super strong fire, you know the sound.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
As for the "crackling" sounds that were heard from great distances during the Ohio explosion, that's one of the most common electrophonic sounds reported when meteors pass by. Last month, a Maryland man claims that he found meteor fragments after hearing crackling sounds overhead: