meat = shorter life

reply to post by Xiamara


Indeed. Certain blood types don't like meat, and others need it. Check out "blood type diets". It may mean the difference between a healthy life and one in misery. But more important is to have a diet including all the vitamins and proteins, carbos you'd need during the day. If you live far north or south, you'd probably need to add vitamin D to your diet, since our main source for this vitamin is the Sun.

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


I live north so I do need a lot of sun, but mostly my allergies prevent me from being a vegetarian. Being allergic to Silver meaning any silver compound or anything with silver traces is had. I also have a tolerance to Magnesium, sodium, salt, nickle, fluoride, lactose, Citric acid, and a few other random ones. Red meat is the only protein that my body seems to easily absorb and digest. Making it quite hard to eat certain foods.

reply to post by loner007


No, no, no, I am not using religious doctrine as an excuse per se for eating meat. I used that to justify my reasonings for not feeling so bad for animals being executed for food''. I am an avid fisherman and I practice catch and release religiously and I have taught my oldest son the same. I use lures only because of the decrease in mortality rates and I fish for certain species at certain times of the year for the same reasons. If I fight a fish to exhaustion and their is no chance of revival, or if the fish is badly injured I will keep the fish and eat it. I think it is senseless and barbaric to kill for sport. I believe in only killing what you need for sustenance or for mercy like as in the fish I will keep.
I have heard about the lost years of Jesus. Very fascinating if you ask me, and you are the only person I know of now that has heard of him going to India and Tibet. However, I could be wrong on this so please correct me if I am, but I believe the rosary beads came about from the guy that started the Jesuits. Also, Jesus did eat locusts, which happen to be the only kosher insect i believe. Insects are in fact a meat. Jesus also ate fish.

reply to post by kimish


The idea that Jesjuah spent his "lost years" in the East is old. OLD. Israel being in the midle of the ancient hub of highways between the West and East (Silky Road etc.) makes it plausible that he might have joined some caravan to the East to learn from Hindus and Buddhists. And seeing how his wisdom is similar to what Jogis and Eastern monks preach makes the assertion even more plausible. And the fact that the most popular "extra-Judaism religion" among Jews today is Buddhism, makes this understandable in a certain sense.

reply to post by Ong Bak


You eat your bok choy and don't worry about what I eat.

K?

Thanks.

How many creatures on this planet eats meat only when cooked?
Answer = Only Humans!

We were not meant to eat meat, only animals were meant to eat animals, that's why you don't see obese animals but only obese humans.

Originally posted by weemadmental
what a lot of nonsense this is, all you need to know is that the teeth in your mouth have evolved to allow us to eat both meat and veg,

Wrong, the sharpness in the teeth is for grinding NOT for eating meat.

Originally posted by dereks
Vegetarians are just poor hunters who hate vegetables.

All humans are poor hunters, in fact we aren't even hunters to begin with

we do not have any natural form of hunting features such as claws, fangs or very acidic stomachs

we were not meant to eat meat.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


The earliest humans ate raw meat. Some still do, like the Inuits, which means eaters of raw flesh. Eating raw meat is good for survival in harsh conditions where food is scarce because it takes longer to digest, hence you are not hungry as often which means you don't eat as much. Humans started cooking meats because it kept from spoiling longer and is more easily digested, as is everything when it's cooked because heat breaks down everything.
If we weren't meant to eat meat than we weren't meant to farm veggies. We were probably all meant to be scavengers, eating both flesh and fauna. But we were gifted with intelligence that allowed us to get fresher meat (hunting, trapping), and intelligence allowed us to grow vegetables and fruits which prevented over harvesting over the years and allowed for a consistent source of food.

reply to post by Ong Bak


As a vegetarian, my take on meat killing people slowly is that it only makes sense but with these conditions; I have realized tbat most meat eaters consume far more meat per day than is supposed to be in their diets. This is a leading cause of heart disease, high cholesterol, and overall obesity. Remember, meat has animal fat that you can look at with your very oewn eyes. Can you imagine what that is like to your body? Sure, your body can handle certain amounts based on height and weight and whatever line your doctor and government feed you about eating healthy. Off topic for a second, but is anybody aware that some years ago the government branch responsible for the food pyramid admitted that it was fabricated to get people to buy more grains and meatsto boost our own economy? Fruit is higher up on the pyramid because a lot of fruit comes from overseas thus spending American money on foregin companies. A noble cause but they still lied. You can view the new pyramid on their website, but how misleading is that one? Back to the meat topic. Another overlooked aspect of the meat industry is the hormones and pesticides ingested by our animal friends that end up on the dinner plate. Ever hear "you are what you eat"? Well same goes for bessie the cow. I can't really speculate what these hormones and pesticides do to our innerds but I have to wonder if the boom in cancer and other diseases has anything to do with it. Meat eaters who like to talk down to veggies just like to spew ignorance and tell how they are at the top of the food chain, which is pure lunacy. If you were naked and bare handed against a tiger, you would be a snack in five seconds. Yes, I believe humans are designed to eat meat to some degree, but only through evolution did we get our canine teeth. Our fingernails are not meant for killing as a tigers claws are. So my guess is meat eaters just like to eat dead animals, and more power to them but I wish they could just keep it to themselves rather than try to make me look like an idiot. My choice is moral ratheer than a health one but I will say this.. I still get all my essential nutrients and I lost thirty pounds in three months back when I made the switch and have maintained a healthy lifestyle.

reply to post by ModernAcademia
Would you mind citing a source for the gastric acid reference here?

we do not have any natural form of hunting features such as claws, fangs or very acidic stomachs

Seems like we kill an awful lot of animals(even to extinction) for being so terribly equipped for hunting.

Psst... Maybe it has something to do with our brains.

Originally posted by kimish
The earliest humans ate raw meat.

Earliest humans had a different anatomy than us today
and anatomy is a big argument

Originally posted by kimish
Eating raw meat is good for survival in harsh conditions where food is scarce because it takes longer to digest, hence you are not hungry as often which means you don't eat as much.

Going back to the acidic stomach argument, raw meat is not good for us
Also inuits have very little choice

Originally posted by kimish
Humans started cooking meats because it kept from spoiling longer.

Are you just talking out of assumptions here?
The human body was not meant for raw meat
Humans do not have acidic stomach and we have long intestines while animals have short intestines and acidic stomach and even acidic saliva in some cases.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

And the Inuits were able to be vegetarians all year around? Some of us were meant to and some of need to eat meat, and others don't. It's a simple as that. This thread should be closed down, I can see it continuing on for years with all the same arguments and rebuttals ''
As my line about early humans I was talking about Homo Sapien Sapien. Granted they did have fire but raw meat, including insects was undoubtedly in their diets.

I am in no way a vegetarian..I love all meats from Steak to Turkey

However, It is true that a person can live a nutrient efficient diet without eating meat

For example, the hemp seed is the most efficient protein on the planet for the human body

It contain all essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain human life

Its amino acid profile is close to "complete" when compared to more common sources of proteins such as meat, milk, eggs and soy.

Hempseed is an adequate source of calcium and iron. Whole hempseeds are also a good source of phosphorus, magnesium, zinc, copper and manganese.

Hempseed contains no gluten and therefore would not trigger symptoms of celiac disease.



So the answer to the OP would be yes, eating no meat would most likely increase the percentages of a longer life span. However, our bodies are designed to ingest meat and it is simply a choice between lifestyle. IMO I wouldn't trade 10 extra years for a life with no meat but that's just my opinion

Good day

reply to post by Ong Bak


Your teeth have evolved with you over the years that mankind have been on this wee rock, ask any dentist you have teeth for chewing grass / oats and teeth specialised for eating meat, see the picture below,



The vitamins i was getting at are things like Vitamin B12, this vitamin is only found in meat as the cattle eat the soil with the plants they eat, they take it in then we get it whist eating our meat,

Wee Mad

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
How many creatures on this planet eats meat only when cooked?
Answer = Only Humans!

Interesting question as to why we cook meat (I like a lot of meat raw) .... however it does reduce the risk of ingesting parasites. We can't eat many grains and roots without cooking them either.

We were not meant to eat meat, only animals were meant to eat animals, that's why you don't see obese animals but only obese humans.

Humans are animals and we have evolved to obtain nourishment from eating meat.

You do see obese animals - but only when, like humans, they have been allowed to eat junk food and not exercise.

Originally posted by weemadmental
what a lot of nonsense this is, all you need to know is that the teeth in your mouth have evolved to allow us to eat both meat and veg,

Wrong, the sharpness in the teeth is for grinding NOT for eating meat.

Canines and incisors are for eating meat - if we were pure vegetarian we would not have them. No other vegetarian has them. And like other vegetrians we'd have a more effective means of obtaining nourishment from starchy vegetable fiber, like several guts.

Humans are omnivores and have evolved to eat fish, meat, fruit, nuts, grains and roots. All of them. We can live on just some staples. But we are at our best eating all of them.

I don't care. I understand that in order for me to live, many things must die, including animals and plants. Even people. There are people who needed to die so that I could live. I don't have a problem with it.

Someday, I will die. And then it will all be over. I don't care if I live a little bit longer by not eating meat. I figure if I do it right, I'll live just about the right length of time. I can't afford to live a long time, and I don't want to.

People can do what they want. It only bothers me if they get an attitude about it, or claim some moral high ground. But it only bothers me a little, because I know they're wrong, and I don't really care.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by dereks
Vegetarians are just poor hunters who hate vegetables.

All humans are poor hunters, in fact we aren't even hunters to begin with

we do not have any natural form of hunting features such as claws, fangs or very acidic stomachs

we were not meant to eat meat.

I had natural fangs. To such extent they were removed when I was about twelve for cosmetic and practical reasons. Most humans have semi-grown fangs. Also, anyone with sexual experience and the femme fatals know that humans have claws, and my stomac is killing me, eating pills every day since my stomac is way to acidic. So much for your "facts". One of my doctors has natural fangs.....

reply to post by weemadmental



Hemp seed contains B12

I'm sure that many now extinct animals would disagree with humans being poor hunters...

We're omnivores by nature. There's a reason I crave a thick, juicy steak, that goes beyond mere preferences. To be honest, a few less years would NOT be a reason for me to exclude meat from my diet. I'd actually enjoy eating more salad, but I hate having to go to the store every other day (stuff doesn't exactly keep)... Most cooked vegetables don't do anything for me, though I'll go for some broccoli or green beans (or in stir fry).

I'm all for folks who want to be vegans or vegetarians, etc., but there's no need for them to push it on me. Life is about choices, and those choices just don't appeal to me.

Originally posted by Ong Bak
so 25 years and 50 thousand people involved ina study still arent enough?
how much would it take then?

I suppose I would need to see the details of the study before I can decide.

There may be another factor at work here that the meat eaters have in common that is independent from the "consumption of meat".

For example, studies show that people who are better educated live longer. However, going to college does not "automatically" lengthen your lifespan -- i.e., there is NOT a direct link between education and longer life (getting a college degree does not "magically" add 5 years to your life) but rather the link is INDIRECT. Being the type of person who wants a better education means you are the type of person who is more likely to make healthy decisions and seek treatment when sick; that is the indirect link.

The link between meat consumption and lifespan in that study could also be indirect -- i.e., eating meat may not be the DIRECT cause of shortening a lifespan.


Edit to add an Off-topic remark:
Gazrock -- when I first (very) quickly scrolled by your avatar, I though it was Troy Palomalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers (rather than Weird Al)
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