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A revising to the history of Fascism

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posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 12:34 AM
Since I already talked about Communism and Socialism. Now it's time to understand another controversial political ideology called Fascism!! Let the excitement wear off because we're going to a long and detailed understanding of this scary word to many.

Here's a great video to get you started.

"Mute the video if you don't want to hear the music."

From we get the definition on Fascism

a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

All these don't offer much. Fascism seems to be more of a form of a government control. Nationalism seems to play a big roll. As well Mussolini.
Now Fascism is a very hard word to define. Many different people have different ways to explain it to you. Some will call President Bush, President Obama or the US. as a Fascist country. It's very confusing to say the least.

Wikipedia gives more detail to the foundlings of Fascism and the politics behind it.

"Fascism, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy. Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s."

Now we're getting somewhere here. Fascism has it origins in WW1. During the Great War Many different political ideologies were being widely discussed. Democracy, Liberty, Socialism. The list goes on and on.

There were numerous political influence in Europe and around the world at the time. Nationalism was also very popular. Today many are becoming more nationalist because of the many illegal immigrants.
There were numerous empires in Europe before the start of WW1 that many people native to countries under control by another empire were sick of another country looking down on them. Basically a powered cage waiting to explode.

More from wikipedia:
"Fascists support a "Third Position" in economic policy, which they believe superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism."

Now let's understand The Third Position more.

"Third Position is a revolutionary nationalist political ideology that emphasizes its opposition to both communism and capitalism. Advocates of Third Position politics present themselves as "neither left nor right", instead combining ideas from both. Third Positionists tend to defend the interests of the "productive" working class, seek alliances with separatists of ethnicity other than their own to achieve "separate but equal" ethnic segregation, support national liberation movements in the least developed countries, and have recently embraced neopaganism and environmentalism."

Here's some information on the Nazi party.
"The Nazis claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race and the German nation. They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as: the Enlightenment, liberalism, democracy, parliamentary politics, capitalism, industrialization, Marxism and trade unionism."

"To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic third position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist."

"The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests. They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation"

Now this a lot of information which I can keep finding for hours on in.
A friend on Yahoo answers gave me a great answer to my question on Fascism.

"Of course the fascism of Franco, Mussolini, Hitler - or the fascism in japan or the fascism in the aristocratic group the circle Proudhon in France and so on are all completely different. It is very difficult to find a common definition of fascism that suits all these people. But i think heavy authoritarianism that hates individual freedom is the right word - and not to mention violent opposition to socialism (although the Nazis called themselves nationalist socialists and the Italians and the Spanish were syndicalists - what they wanted wasn't really socialism by anyone's standards, they wanted capital and labor to agree instead of being in conflict, which is very reminiscent of the new deal here in America, hence the reason why you can see Roosevelt was an admirer of Mussolini - shocking, I know - but what these were were preventative measures to make the socialistic movement less revolutionary, so you have put in place something like social security and the labor movement forgets about its problems, although they'll still be heavily exploited, in other words it's making them enjoy their exploitation). And a deep hatred of democracy, Mussolini saying: Fascism affirms the immutable, beneficial, fruitful inequality of men. And of course you have the extreme nationalism that also characterizes fascism."

Now I hope all this is not as confusing as I see it is now. I tried my best to get what I can to explain to all my other members. Ask me any question and I'll be sure to find it for you. I felt all the I put here would answer a lot of questions many users would already have. I hope this isn't two much information from other websites. Fascism is very difficult to explain and I had to use outside sources.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]

posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 01:26 AM
Very nice thread.
I'll post something you may find interesting about the origins of the nazi party (Its ideology started in the occult)... There research programs presumably came out of the occult as well.

And one of the important roots of German Nazism is, in fact, the existence of certain high-profile occult societies who operated in the period between the wars- the Germanorden, the Thule Gellenschaft, Ariosophy, and the Neo-Templars3.

Occult and the Third Reich

I'm glad you made this thread though. Fascism was just a cross between capitalism and communism. Did the occult direct their research? Many think so.

posted on Aug, 15 2010 @ 03:32 AM
Advice for a Dictator
And for Those Who Want to Become One
by Joseph Goebbels

  1. A dictatorship requires three things: a man, an idea, and a following ready to live for the man and the idea, and if necessary to die for them. If the man is lacking it is hopeless; if the idea is lacking, it is impossible; if the following is missing, the dictatorship is only a bad joke
  2. A dictatorship can rule against a parliament when necessary, but never against the people
  3. Sitting on bayonets is uncomfortable
  4. A dictator's first task is to make what he wants popular, bringing the will of the nation in tune with his own will. Only then will the broad masses support him in the long run and join his ranks.
  5. A dictator's highest duty is social justice. If people sense that the dictator only represents a thin upper class that has nothing to do with them, they will see the dictator as a hateful enemy and quickly overthrown him.
  6. Dictatorships will rescue a nation when they know better ways than the previous governmental forms that they are fighting, and when their power is so anchored in the people that they do not depend on weapons, but rather on their followers
  7. A dictator does not need to follow the will of the majority. He must however have the ability to use the will of the people.
  8. Leading parties and masses is the same as governing a nation. He who ruins a party will lead a nation into the abyss. Political ability is not demonstrated by using treacherous methods to rise to a ministerial chair on the labor of others
  9. Dictatorships must be able to survive on their own spiritual reserves. It will not work if what is good in their ideas comes from their opponents, and what does not come from their opponents is bad.
  10. Dictatorships must be able to survive on their own spiritual reserves. It will not work if what is good in their ideas comes from their opponents, and what does not come from their opponents is bad.
  11. The ability to speak is no shame. It is shameful only when actions do not follow words. To speak well is good. To act bravely is even better. The typical reactionary can neither speak nor act. He has somehow gained power, but has no idea what to do with it
  12. Nothing is more foreign to dictatorial thinking than the bourgeois concept of objectivity. A dictatorship is by its very nature subjective. It takes sides by its nature. Since it is for one thing, it must be against another. If it does not do the latter, it runs the risk of having people doubt its honesty about the first.
  13. A dictatorship speaks openly about what it is and what it wants. Nothing is farther from it than to hide behind a facade. It has the courage to act, but also the courage to affirm.
  14. Dictatorships that hide behind the law to give themselves an appearance of legality even if their actions disagree, are short-lived. They will collapse of their own incompetence, leaving behind chaos and confusion.
  15. Only those who lack the courage to join a party value being above party. When worlds collapse, when foundations shake, when revolutionary fevers spread through peoples and nations, one must join a party, one must be for or against. He who stands between will be torn apart by the contradictions, a victim of his own indecisiveness.
  16. It may sound grotesque, but it is true: The nature of a dictator must be clear from his name. One cannot rule with a name like Müller or Meier. And the claim to a title must be fought for. It can not be gained by swindle.
  17. It may sound grotesque, but it is true: The nature of a dictator must be clear from his name. One cannot rule with a name like Müller or Meier. And the claim to a title must be fought for. It can not be gained by swindle.
  18. A true dictator depends on himself. His false counterpart hides behind the rules and depends on legal paragraphs to justify his actions
  19. Everything great is simple and everything simple is great. The little man likes to conceal his insignificance through complexity.
  20. The army exists to defend the country against external threats, not to suppress the people in the interests of a thin layer of usurpers. A dictatorship that cannot defend itself with its own supporters deserves to be displaced
  21. Primo de Rivera [the Spanish dictator who lost power in 1930] fell because his power rested on guns, but he earned only hatred and scorn from the people.
  22. Mussolini's work is unshakable, for he is his people's idol. He gave back to Italy what has always been the surest and best foundation of a state: confidence.

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