The real reason they aren't stopping the leak. Damage below the sea floor.

Originally posted by fixer1967
OK, if this is true then they had better use a nuke NOW if they are going to before it is too late if it is not already too late to nuke it. If so they they do not need to be drilling two relief wells but 20 or 30 relief wells to drop the pressure ASAP before it pushes up the sea floor. I know there is 30,000 feet of rock from the sea floor the main oil pocket but if there is a 100 foot wide hole a hundred feet deep there where the Blowout Preventer is now it is going to be all but impossible to cap off.
The planet is bleeding to death and it seems we are powerless to stop it.

I just thought I would share the fact that the deepest a "Nuke" has been deployed under water is 600 feet.
The closest we could get would be to load one in a sub and park it over the hole.

IMO the shockwave in that pressure would smash the sea floor and likely make things worse.

I would not trust these clowns to make that call.


My only idea would be to use an inflatable that can be pushed 1,000's
of feet into the hole and then inflate/expand it to constrict the flow.
Once expanded pour the cement in.

He could very possibly be right!
I think they call it the anbiotic theiry sic.....the oil is prosduced by the earth, and will never run out....
it is the stuff that lube the tectonic plates.....
rYou didnt really think that a bunch of dinosaaurs dies and left it did you?

The truth is BP has lied to us from the moment it happened ,they new it was gonna be bad .Now its damage control for the Federal Government and BP and so sad for all the people of the gulf who will suffer for generations .My heart goes out to them all damn BP and those that help hide how bad it really was and for using sub standard building materials .I would say seize all BP American assets and start a program now to supplement the lost income ,we can take GM over and fire there CEO so why not BP .It is going to cost us far more then a bail out to fix this disaster.

[edit on 12-6-2010 by essanance]

So now we know the true purpose of oil.
A self defense mechanism.
Looks like it works.

edit - words out

[edit on 12-6-2010 by FearNoEvil]

Mother Nature might have to fix this one.
The Earth was punctured by idiots,
short-sighted, well-fed, well-housed, porn-addicted idiots.

Little people.

Mother Nature, Earth, will heal the wound. And the little people will stand in front of the cameras, patting each other on the back for a job well done.

And SOME life goes on.

An underground blowout can be controlled. Here is a link. I am sure it has been posted at ATS before, somewhere here...

www.jwco.com...

Know what? I don't think this is an underground blowout. I think it is a problem with the BOP, probably damaged when the rig collapsed.

Finally, I think this whole thing is just maximum ineptness from start to finish, the problem could probably be fixed if BP would worry less about their self image, and quit taking long coffee breaks to check their stock prices.

I think this idea that they have tried everything, every consideration, applied their ample genius to this problem and now it's time to panic because things have progressed beyond all hope -- that type of thinking IS ALMOST CERTAINLY FALSE!

More realistically, they are just a bunch of criminal losers who don't really care that they are causing such a mess. They are total pigs. They are STILL BEING DRIVEN BY PROFIT AND LOSS!

I think that is the most likely truth here, and we are seeing plenty of evidence that is the real situation.

[edit on 12-6-2010 by Axial Leader]

More and more evidence is pointing to BP being greedy and getting their hands burnt.

Here is what I think happened:

1. BP or their Analyst found a big expanse of oil below the sea bed
2. Normally many safety checks are done and the area is verified as being a good spot to start excavating oil
3. In this instance all the checks were ignored, where they would normally not touch such a large chamber of oil and gas they many alarms that were going off were simply brushed aside
4. Someone did the maths and got very greed thinking they could make millions of barrels of oil from this spot
5. BP start to tap into this area, ignoring any safety measures the station gets engulfed in a pocket of gas (which is also present) causing the platform to become literally explode and sink
6. Alternatively there is a genuine fault on the platform and/or sabotage that causes the platform to start sinking
7. The pipe work gives way and we have a huge wound in the bottom of the seabed, the surrounding area then becomes unstable and weak and causes even more damage resulting in a large chasm which BP is simply unable to plug

Whichever way you look at it, the earth is bleeding out and the implications are not good no matter what scenario you pick.

Mr Obama quite rightly attacked BP for their recklessness so I am amazed no one is actually sitting down and coming up with a solution, instead you get name calling.

If they use a nuke it will crack the New Madrid fault line that runs up the Mississippi river all the way to the great lakes and drain the great lakes in to the gulf killing every thing on both sides of the river for miles. Cutting the country in half?

reply to post by Axial Leader

Again though. None of this has ever been tried a mile below the surface, and whatever is sent down there would have to withstand the pressures. You just can't place a box of TNT or even a nuclear device down there. It would be crushed before it would ever go off.

Like an above poster said, it might have to be carried in one of those high pressure subs, but then, those are made to really withstand high pressures. Internal pressure and external. The device would have to be string enough to affect the sea floor after breaking out of the device that carry's it down there.

On June 7th, Senator Bill Nelson told MSNBC that he's investigating reports of oil seeping up from additional leak points on the seafloor:

Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL): Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.

Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC: Now let me understand better what you’re saying. If that is true that it is coming up form that seabed, even the relief well won’t be the final solution to cap this thing. That means that we’ve got oil gushing up at disparate places along the ocean floor.

Sen. Nelson: That is possible, unless you get the plug down low enough, below where the pipe would be breached.

www.washingtonsblog.com...

That's a partial transcript for the video I posted at the start. They fear now that the pipe or casing into the well itself might be cracked or broken 1,000 feet below the floor.

If a blast is used it has to be strong to make it seal 1,000 feet below the sea floor. That's a total of 6,000 feet below the sea level. If not, the oil will continue to leak.
The way I read this, almost nothing they do is going to be enough right now short of creating some sort of huge explosion to close the hole in on itself. And I read that to be a nuclear device.

They are drilling 1 relief well that is supposed to be 10,000 feet below where these pipes are already located. They then have to drill sideways and hit that first pipe. All this 15,000 feet from the top of the ocean. Plus, they have started drilling a second relief well too.

The more I think about this whole scenario the worse it seems this really is.

Originally posted by stirling
He could very possibly be right!
I think they call it the anbiotic theiry sic.....the oil is prosduced by the earth, and will never run out....
it is the stuff that lube the tectonic plates.....
rYou didnt really think that a bunch of dinosaaurs dies and left it did you?

I wonder if this is the reason it seems there is an increase in earthquake activity in recent years? We have removed all of earth's lube?

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
I would like to think there is a
Grand Jury Of Dolphins
That Just signed a True Bill that Humans
Have Violated Natures Laws and demands that
Warrants for Death to all Humans
are issued Immediately!

What are you anyway. Very good idea..........you and your family can be at the head of the line for DEATH, Prat! I'm sick of that tone of rhetoric.

Originally posted by stirling
He could very possibly be right!
I think they call it the anbiotic theiry sic.....the oil is prosduced by the earth, and will never run out....
it is the stuff that lube the tectonic plates.....
rYou didnt really think that a bunch of dinosaaurs dies and left it did you?

I wonder if this is the reason it seems there is an increase in earthquake activity in recent years? We have removed all of earth's lube?

BP said weeks ago that there was "substantial damage" to the piping below the sea floor. This is nothing new.

It was one of the announced reasons of the failure of the "top kill" shot as they couldn't get the mud to high enough pressure due to all the broken pipe etc in the drill hole. Personally, I think they didn't really try this method for long enough.

It's time for a 3rd party oil company that doesn't have a vested interest in saving the well to take a shot at shutting it down, and have BP pay them directly for the effort.

Have there been any articles, news reports, or statement indicating where along the concentric pipes under the sea floor the failure(s) might be? I ask this because if it's still in the "main pipe" (I am unfamiliar with the terminology) rising up to the surface, then intersecting that pipe with the relief wells - as long as they are below the failure - should still be able to kill the spill if I understand all of this correctly (if not comprehensively lol.)

However, if the failure(s) are in the "tertiary" pipes (again I don't know the correct term to use here) - the ones which run horizontally under the sea floor - then is it possible that even the relief wells will, while reducing greatly the spill from the riser, not be able to prevent the spill from continuing to seep through that underground failure?

I apologize for my less than accurate terminology and any incorrect interpretations I'm making. I'm learning as I go here.

[edit on 6/13/2010 by AceWombat04]

BP NUKE option back on table. check out you tube, BP NUKE OPTION. Now we know how bad it really is.

reply to post by AceWombat04

The way I understand it too, you are correct. the problem is they are trying to drill a vertical hole 10,000 feet below the sea floor. Then they have to drill horizontally to intersect the vertical pipe they fear is damaged.

It's like threading a needle 2 miles from you with something you cant see and really don't know where it is.

The biggest thing is they think the pipe might b broken at least 1,000 feet down. So they are trying to go deeper than that to intersect it.

They also think that broken pieces of the vertical pipe coming out of the well broke and they are what jammed the BOP and prevented it from working.

WoW.. BP is putting a nuke on the table to try and plug the hole... If this thing were to ignight the oil/gas and cause a massive explosion and collaps of the sea floor.. I wouldn't wanna be living on the coastline of any country for the next few months..

Nobody wants to wake up to a 2000ft sunami knocking on their back door

Originally posted by essanance
The truth is BP has lied to us from the moment it happened ,they new it was gonna be bad .Now its damage control for the Federal Government and BP and so sad for all the people of the gulf who will suffer for generations .
[edit on 12-6-2010 by essanance]

when will the federal govt take charge and say enough is enough. bp has proven to be unreliable and incompetent.

this is not a problem mankind is unable to solve. its just that the wrong people are managing and executing it.

tools/equipment? dont tell me the fed govt is unable to seize, force bp to supply whatever is needed to get the job done? lack of tools/equipment should not be an excuse for the feds to not take charge.

reply to post by fixer1967


Fixer (& all of those who keep saying that a nuke should be used)- how many times do people have to explain that an explosion- especially a nuclear explosion, will only blow a bigger hole in the sea floor, gushing even more gas & oil. That is, IF it doesn't ignite them.

Those who have grown up on Hollywood BatGuanoCrazy disaster scenarios may think it all looks cool, but disasters are NOT fun in real life. Please take care what you wish on your fellow human beings and creatures.
A nuke is not a solution, but a catalyst for an unfathomable cataclysm.