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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
"THEY JUST WANT A BETTER LIFE"
I have heard a lot of this said lately regarding Illegal Immigrants.
I was wondering how this would sound as an excuse for any other criminal act or even a lowly misdemeanor. I don't think I've ever heard it used to excuse any other crime or breaking of the law.
"Officer...I stole that man's car because I wanted a better life!" hmmm...nope that doesn't sound right.
"Your Honor...I submit my Defendant robbed the bank because he was poor...and just wanted a better life"....nope....that doesn't work either.
"Your Honor....they broke into the house and stole jewelry because they just wanted a better life"...nope
"Officer...I was just speeding because I needed to get to my girlfriends house for a quickie...it helps me have a better life"....not that either.
"Officer....I'm driving drunk because I temporarily thought it would lead to a better life. I also sell crack and make a lot of money....for a better life of course."
So now that we see that cannot fly for an excuse, please STOP ALL PRETENDING it will jibe with REALITY.
Illegal Immigration...more than anything is a crime of RESOURCE. Yes, there are resources that every nation possesses. Some more than others depending on location. This is why we started TRADING between nations. Why entire economies were built around TRADE.
A nation allocates certain RESOURCES to it's citizens. It is done by Census, City Planning, State planning, budgets, banks, business. Just about EVERYTHING a nation and it's government does evolves around the need of it's citizens...even allocated Representatives to Congress.
Nationality is not about PRIDE in your Government, because politicians and Governments make bad choices that don't represent us. Nationality is about PRIDE in your HOST...your HOUSE. America is a HOME to it's citizens. It's our home at the MACRO level.
When a foreign entity invades, degrades, usurps, or migrates to the HOST country at an unexpected rate, RESOURCES get thrown out of alignment. RESOURCES that can be used for LEGAL hosts citizens, eventually get thrown to the ILLEGAL occupants.
Resources like jobs, hospitals, schools, taxes, property, VOTES, health care, public funds, land, food...it hits all levels.
A lot has been said about the fact that OUR (Americas) Illegals contribute BACK as much if not more than they take. I have yet to see a study which shows this definitely...I hold my breath.
Let's take the Mexican Illegal Immigrants. It's estimated that money sent to Mexico from Illegals here, has been in the hundreds of BILLIONS, since the early 90's, the onslaught from NAFTA. Aside from Mexico's oil business, America acts as it's welfare office. We basically help float Mexico's whole economy.
Aside from what we pay in expenses HERE to combat the problem, we are propping up another country by our dollars flying out to them. I think from all the money we've given, we've deserved a few Million acres of land by now.
Illegal Immigration is about affecting another persons HOST..dismantling it's allocated RESOURCES...and THIEVERY. Yes, it's more complex, but at it's base, it's thievery of another's sovereign right to their collective funds, resources, as well as individual right to equally share in it between citizens....us.
So let's go to another RESOURCE....JOBS.
"JOBS THAT AMERICAN WON"T DO"
In another thread I posted the jobs that I have observed go out the door here in Los Angeles and greater California. Since I have lived most of my life in Los Angeles in many different neighborhoods, have lived all over California too, and know it like the back of my hand. I feel qualified to report what I KNOW to be true about our economy.
Here is just a list from the top of my head of jobs "Americans" won't do":
1) HVAC installation. Heating and air conditioning....many Illegals in that field, I know them.
A nation alloc
Originally posted by Majestyka
ok so i read just the first page of posts. i rarely respond to threads but this one got me annoyed.
first off! if you live in north america, chances are you are an IMMIGRANT
illegal immigration IS bad for the economy.
JOSE ILLEGAL BUILT THE USA
canada's health care has nothing to do with america (well not anymore cause canada's leader is following american suit)
canada will one day dehydrate the USA of water because.....we have it all mwahaha
US healthcare is a joke, and so is the OP's attitude towards his brothers and sisters around the globe.
if jose illegal will do the job for 4$ instead of 10$ then its win win....
you bitch and moan, "THEY TOOK 'YER JOB!" but fail to see that jose illegal and many others around the world cant sit on their fat asses eating burgerking or whatever americans eat that makes them the fattest nation in the world watching survivor or american idol or TMZ......maybe you should go get a job to work off that FAT!
if you were starving would you steal a loaf of bread?
your country has bigger problems than illegal jose, average joe has no job,
why does the entire world hate the USA? cause they are terrorists? cause they spread war, hate, deception, fear, and many other CANCEROUS emotions and actions.
did i call the USA cancer? OF COURSE NOT!!!! your UNEDUCATED american mind made that connection. last i heared the USA education level was closer to the bottom of the list than the top
made in america, designed to break so you are forced to fix with more crap parts. give us your GOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLD! haha to big to fail? BULLSH*T, GOV"T BAILOUT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND UNAMERICAN!
nothing NOTHING (damn no bigger font) NOTHING!!!! in the USA is too big to fail.
im figuring you get my idea here.....
i see people quote the bible on ATS so id like to say : Don't Judge, Lest you Be Judged!
or something to that effect.
"I DID NOT RE-READ WHAT I WROTE NOR DO I CARE. I DONT EXPECT AND REPLY TO THIS NOR DO I WANT YOU TO"
this post was my daily typing exercise....
take from it what you wish, no critics please.....
i just wanted to point out that i think the OP is a whiney B***** and should exhibit some EMPATHY before judging jose illegal....or at least look in the mirror.
P.S do not judge my opinion of americans by this post,
i have many friends that are amercian..... i will stand against those who follow American misguided leadership.
Originally posted by paranoiaFTW
Sure, lets get rid of illegals. Now, who wants to crawl down in sewer to clear a backup of feces?
Originally posted by harpsounds
Here's a message to the illegal mexicans, get some skin whitener, then no-one will hassle you anymore.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
You will never in a million years find these same politicians pointing towards who is covering and hiring these illegals. Oh no no no, they want you to continue to be distracted.
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Exuberant1
You have to be the change, and a world without borders, non-nwo style, with grass roots empowerment and equality from the bottom up, compassion for all is instrinsic.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Yep.. it's a hostile takeover. All good reasons above to Nuke Mexico.. we could use a new state anyway.
Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Yep.. it's a hostile takeover. All good reasons above to Nuke Mexico.. we could use a new state anyway.
Dude, please don't interject stuff like that in my thread. It's uncalled for on many levels.
The discussion is within the confines of current protected borders and by the way, every other country protects it's borders so why can't the US? Even Mexico protects it's borders against illegal immigration.
How incredibly ignorant
And if someone tried to steal all of your food and there was no more, would you allow them to take it and starve yourself?
Do you actually read what you write ?????
Originally posted by Majestyka
"I DID NOT RE-READ WHAT I WROTE NOR DO I CARE. I DONT EXPECT AND REPLY TO THIS NOR DO I WANT YOU TO"
And what country do you live in ?
Yes, you wanted a forum to p!ss and moan in about how America and all it's people are the scourge of the universe instead of taking responsibility for your own problems. I don't know what you think we as Americans did to you but you need to get over yourself.
Of course you want a reply....if you didn't want a reply, you wouldn't have posted it here. Your transparent attempt to inflame Americans is silly and amateurish and best.
this post was my daily typing exercise....
sure it is
So what you're saying is that you want to be able to criticize everyone without anyone responding back ? Are you serious ? What world do you live in ?
Let's say you have a very nice house that you've worked very hard for. You pay all your taxes which allow you to keep your house, your car, etc.. In other words, you've worked hard to give your family nice things and make sure they have all they need.
So you don't want me to judge your anti-American, hate filled rant??? REALLY ???
So you think that there should be no borders around the world? You think that anyone should be able to walk into any country and utilize their resources without putting anything back into the system?