Europe tells Britain not to ask for help in a crisis

It's re-assuring that so many Yanks would support us if the need arises, but seriously, I don't think it's neededjust yet.

We Brits have an inbred suspicion of the continentals and expect no other from the majority of them!

We don't need and don't want the Euro and the majority of us want a referendum on our continued membership of the EU.

Not wanting to belittle the messages of support from the US, but we have stood alone before and if need be would be capable of doing so again....and I suspect our cousins in Canada, Australia and New Zealand would as usual give us their support as well if needed.

On a slightly different tack;
I am amazed at the standard of some of the responses in this thread, ATS should be, and used to be, so much better.

What matters is France won the world cup and Scotland beat them.

That makes Scotland superior to England who are about to get humped AGAIN.

Greece should be banned from playing in the tournament.

Anybody know where I can get an Algeria shirt ?

I think we will find out who is batting for who when the next manufactured War begins.....should'nt be that far away now.

reply to post by bigyin


Lol.

At least you don't want an Argentinian top, now that would be going too far!

Originally posted by Freeborn


We don't need and don't want the Euro and the majority of us want a referendum on our continued membership of the EU.

Yeah man.... definitely.

We already lost out on one referendum.. I really hope we have some sort of say in our future, would be nice.

Originally posted by oozyism
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If Britain doesn't want to help an EU country, why should EU help her?

Wouldn't be logical, would it now>?

Why Britain should be obligated to support something that they haven't embrace since the very beginning? They have their own problems and EU shouldn't be in position to demand anything. Ask for help is ok, but demand it from a country that is not exactly part of their system is just laughable.

With that logic any country should be entitled to drop their problems into other countries with different currencies at any time. It doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

All this fuss and furor when the obvious answer, to me anyway, cold though it is...and it is...is to let Greece solve their own problems. Yes, it's gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt bad, and probably not just Greece. This problem isn't going to be solved by floating loans to a country totally unable to support it, it's going to be solved, if it is, by stopping the issues that caused it.

Spendthrift spending. You can't spend money you don't have, and pretend to be surprised when the chickens come home to roost.

The Brits were right to say no. They've, like so many other countries, their own issues to deal with. There comes a time, maybe, when a bit of isolationism, though not too much; is a good thing.

France/England. Never the twain shall meet, there's a bit of historical precedence there....

Originally posted by Vitchilo

I would rather live in hell than live in the UK.

Hear hear.

Although i am born and live in the UK..... I consider this place hell.

Remember, there's no such thing as heaven and hell. if there is the UK is Hell.

Where's heaven? It never existed.

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Just curious here... But have you ever attempted to do something about that? Even the worst of places, yes, even hell I suppose; can be fixed if people are willing to do something about it.

Or, like so many, both here and in your country; is it easier to fuss about it, rather than try to be part of a solution?

I only hope that the people of the world....the working class that pays for the elite's desires....will unite and unravel the Rockefeller and Rothchilde dynasties. This would open up a truly New World ORder.. Just not the one they want.

BTW, imho the bankers et. al. should pay for the bailouts of the countries not vice versa. Take all of the banking / stock market giants and strip them of all assetts. Pay bills to other soverign states and start again on a new Humocracy form of government. Each and every soul deserves the best we can give him/here.


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Now that England finds its self with a hung parliament perhaps one of the party leaders will muster up a nice ballz reply for the rest of the EU in hopes of gaining public approval

Seems with the level of socialism found in France one would expect that France would be happy to get Greece on the government mule train .

reply to post by lilstu21
It's not that bad. All this moaning about Britain and life there is just OTT. I strongly recommend visiting an informal settlement in Namibia or South Africa, you will realise how good we have it!

reply to post by seagull


Believe me when i say this, i (and most other britains) would feel this country is beyond repair.

I mean most of the news is nothing but negativity in both the tv and in newspapers, which in return is like controlling the masses and makes people too scared to do anything about this country.

If there was a clear-cut solution about all the problems in our country it would have already be done.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


Yes, comparing britain to south africa and other countries like them we do have a better living then them. But we have lots of problems affecting our country like other countries do. One of them is high unemployment, which i'm one in a million.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


I agree. I have lived in five countries and had prolonged stays in the US and Singapore. I can tell you that the UK is a better place to live. If you go and live in some sink hole estate in Bradford or Leeds then you may want escape, but don't write off the nation based on where you are living at the minute.

Regards

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No solutions are ever clear cut. Or seldom are... Most require at least a bit of work, some require heartbreaking levels of effort. Beyond repair? Stuff and nonsense, my friend...it may require tearing down and rebuilding it a bit, but beyond repair? I doubt it.

My country isn't...though some say the same thing as you do. In my more pessimistic moods, I'm one of them , but I never lose my faith in the ultimate ability of people of good will to find solutions to problems. The same thing will happen in your country, it has before. England has seen trials and tribulations that make this current situation seem like a tea party (sorry, that was irresistible) in comparison.

All that's needed is hard work, courage, and more hard work. It's not going to be fixed today, or tomorrow, or even in ten years...that's where, I suppose, the faith has to come into play. ...I'm not talking about faith in God, though it could for some, play a very real part... But the faith that for every day of hard work that's done, that means one less to go, 'til ultimately, the problems are solved.

Hard work. Faith. Seems simple, perhaps even simplistic...but it's happened before, and can again.

Sorry... That soapbox was just sitting there... Empty... Couldn't resist...

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Sorry to hear that. Being unemployed can really get you down. Been there mate, probably will be again at some point in this fast changing world, it's not good being on the dole.

Sometimes it seems like we are just not competitive as a nation any more, to be honest it's going to be either become super duper productivity based like the Japanese, or (this is going to be criticised) get rid of the minimum wage to give our companies a level playing field.

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There is a clear cut solution. Again, I say the "money" owed to anyone is ultimately owed to Rockefeler or Rothchilde. Their cronies can be compared to the chain of command of an army. Each and every one takes a smaller cut of the pie as the rank descends. In this case the small cut of the pies are in the millions. No I don't have a link but I have common sense.

Rothchilde bought England at the end of the Napolionic wars ..even while making gold on all fronts of the wars.
He rumored that the war was lost in England. Markets plummeted he bought up industries for pennies...Later word comes that England won..Revival of markests ...who gains?


Evry war since is financed by bankers on all sides and the soverign countries have been paying and paying and paying from the labor of us.

Take it back and interest I say.. He is a war criminal.

I hate to be cynical and off topic, but it's quite ironic how tons of people on ATS that are in the UK/Europe kept on saying America is about to "pop", almost wanting it to happen, and now they have similar problems.

On a more serious note, I hope they are able to solve the issue, and to me it seems like a threat toward England over the pound.

Originally posted by lilstu21


Believe me when i say this, i (and most other britains) would feel this country is beyond repair.

No they wouldn't at all.

Maybe cynics and people that think "The end is nigh" and so on.... but most countries have their issues, most countries are screwed right now and most people always think the grass is greener.

I Don't particularly like living here and It's not because I think the country is beyond repair... It's just because that's the way many people feel... they want something different and if they could afford it, They'd move abroad in a flash.