Seattle cartoonist: May 22 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

Originally posted by Crimson_King
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Do you mean the artist only wants to draw Mohammad pictures and dont want people to support drawing other religious figures for the reason other 2 pictures may be offensive.

I don't think you understand the concept... The reason the Artist has asked for pictures of Mohammed is because it's the only religious figure you cannot draw and it's actually in response to Death Threats that were directed at the shows creators and the network that carries the show.

Please understand this fundamental point, i understand what you're saying and have no issue with it, it's just not what this thread is about or what the artist is trying to highlight.

Is the end point not against censoring & right to expression in whatever way anyone wants to depict anyone? I read all statements in thread and everyone saying its right to expression......so what is the problem now? If I target I target all religion is it not how it works?

Of course this is a statement about censorship and all forms of censorship are wrong, but there are plenty of other causes and artists/comedians who are highlighting these other forms of censorship.

You can of course target all other religions and I urge you to do so, however this is about the artist mentioned in the OP and what They are asking people to do.... If you have a problem then why not start your own campaign and request drawings from artists depicting all other gods/prophets, instead of pointlessly trying to pick holes in this one and failing miserably to do so.

If one person A can draw derogatory 1 figure person B can draw derogatory picture of different figure also. All who support this freedom need to understand its slippery slope..it can be turned against also.

Of course they can, however the article does not mention anywhere that the drawings should or even can, be derogatory.... so where are you reading that this is intended to be offensive and/or derogatory??

If you want to draw and say anything you want, you need to remember same right will be practiced by other person.

This is not a request for people to draw and say anything they want?
Did you watch the episode of South Park? Do you have any frame of reference for the comments you're making.... or are you just jumping on the bandwagon?

"OMG how can south park do this.... how dare they mock mohammed" Nothing like that happened in the episode and this artist is not asking for offensive pictures.




South Park mocks all people and all religions..

I personally thought Cartman's comments were Hilarious.






[edit on 25/4/10 by blupblup]

Originally posted by lee anoma
I find all of this focus very suspicious and well-timed.

So who started this New York based radical Islam website?
I was surprised when I looked into just that.

It was created by Yousef al-Khattab, who was born Joseph Cohen, an American Jew who converted to Islam after living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school. He came back to New York, starts this radical Islamic website and starts spewing antisemitic and anti-American sentiments online.

So this American Jew who after going to Israel and studying the religion so seriously, suddenly became so vehemently disillusioned with Judaism?
. . . . .

this whole thing smells as fishy as an Israeli dressed as an Arab and dancing around as the towers fell.

Originally posted by boredsilly
My guess is Jews own the website and planted these comments to spread hatred towards muslims. You people as usual take the bait hook line and sinker ... too easy really.

Good to see a few posters can see through what is happening.

There are powerful people with a vested interest in making the western world despise and hate Muslims.

The Muzzies need to get over it.
I say bombard the world with Mo-Toons

Originally posted by blupblup
I don't think you understand the concept... The reason the Artist has asked for pictures of Mohammed is because it's the only religious figure you cannot draw and it's actually in response to Death Threats that were directed at the shows creators and the network that carries the show. Please understand this fundamental point, i understand what you're saying and have no issue with it, it's just not what this thread is about or what the artist is trying to highlight.

So the intention is to draw something against which someone object? That's what you're saying ultimately by claiming it's right to expression and freedom of saying anything and anyone wants too.

If this is the case why are organisations like ADL working inside USA who are famous to label anyone anti-semitic and Nazi who says anything against Jews or holocaust and are then hollered by mainstream media until the person is publicly humiliated and his/her life destroyed? Why no similar art project against Jews? Why are people not making swastika's and other images which are ridiculed in public because they are offending to Jews? Or tell me that its not true? Is it or not? Is there no threat then?

Of course this is a statement about censorship and all forms of censorship are wrong, but there are plenty of other causes and artists/comedians who are highlighting these other forms of censorship.

and...? does that imply we cannot do that? Which other artist are doing it publicly within USA? Any names? details? projects?

You can of course target all other religions and I urge you to do so, however this is about the artist mentioned in the OP and what They are asking people to do.... If you have a problem then why not start your own campaign and request drawings from artists depicting all other gods/prophets, instead of pointlessly trying to pick holes in this one and failing miserably to do so.

There is no point in the whole thing. You ultimately want freedom to draw something which offends others but when the table is turned on you, you are suggesting:
"other artists are doing it so we dont have to"
"this thread is about freedom of expression buy only limited to drawing 1 particular figure"

and why are you suggesting that??? because it offends you and dont want to see those pictures and dont want to accept that drawing those pictures are also freedom of expression.

Of course they can, however the article does not mention anywhere that the drawings should or even can, be derogatory.... so where are you reading that this is intended to be offensive and/or derogatory??

If the Muslim "religion" consider it derogatory to even depict a living form of Mohd. or watever the name of their God is then the only main reason to draw is to offend and depict images of their God.

Similarly Swastika or Seig Heil or Hail Hitler or Nazi regalia is considered derogatory in Jewish religion for watever reasons that is why it is not allowed to wear that sign/ looked down upon and in many countries there are laws against it. Even in USA anyone who wears that sign is targeted not only by media but by politicians...organisations.

It is funny there is so much uproar over this with cries of censorship when just only few days ago someone in USA was charged for possessing cartoon or porn depicting underage teens. Why was the person charged bcoz' other ppl find it derogatory & dats y its against law lol! So wht abt this censorship? Heck! we are talking abt censorship on a forum where there are rules about what can be talked about and what cannot be for ex. drugs, personal consumption, illicit activity, porn etc. Wat about this censorship? Why is it censored?

Talk about freedom of expression when u stand up for everything else also otherwise u are only standing up for what u think is right and not for other's freedom of expression.

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I have plenty more with lethal gore and porn but it will be censored on this forum. Funny isn't it? We are talking about freedom and rights of views........nevermind, you get the point.

Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Let me tell you a little fun fact about Muhammad.

It was Abu Bakr, a friend of Muhammad's as I'm sure you know, BEGGED him to marry his daughter.Then when Muhammad finally gave in he married her, but also kept her in the utmost respect.

But I'm SURE you know that as you want to stick with WHATS IMPORTANT!

Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert, and Jesus did not fall to the temptation.

Mohammed was tempted by Abu Bakr, with the offer of his daughter in marriage, and after 3 years of holding out fell to his temptation and consumated the marriage when she was only 9 years old.

Yeah I totally was off base by criticizing Mohammed on this one.

Come on? You are defending this?

Really?

Satan is not the same thing as Abu Bakr. You should know this. Unless you are comparing a friend of Muhammad to Satan.

Just a question, have you even read the Qur'an?

Originally posted by Crimson_King

So the intention is to draw something against which someone object? That's what you're saying ultimately by claiming it's right to expression and freedom of saying anything and anyone wants too.

As I thought, you clearly don't understand why this has happened and You've never watched South Park before and seen that they have absolutely slated and ripped on every religion and depicted Buddha snorting Cocaine and Jesus looking at Porn in the Mohammed episode, But all they did was say Mohammed's name and this warranted a death threat??

Do you understand what this argument is about?

Are you even talking about this specific argument or are you just rambling about all forms of Censorship and so on?

If this is the case why are organisations like ADL working inside USA who are famous to label anyone anti-semitic and Nazi who says anything against Jews or holocaust and are then hollered by mainstream media until the person is publicly humiliated and his/her life destroyed? Why no similar art project against Jews?

Jews are ripped on EVERY Single week in south park... Numerous episodes have mocked the jews and the Mel gibson one even had Cartman Leading a nazi style rally... I really don't see how you can have an informed opinion on this when you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and no idea what South Park is about...

There is no similar "Art Project" about Jews because they did not threaten to kill the creators and network people of the show for just Saying someone's name.... do you understand that?? Can you see how absolutely ridiculous this whole thing is?

Making death threats for saying the name Mohammed....

It's beyond ridiculous.

There is no point in the whole thing. You ultimately want freedom to draw something which offends others but when the table is turned on you, you are suggesting:
"other artists are doing it so we dont have to"
"this thread is about freedom of expression buy only limited to drawing 1 particular figure"
and why are you suggesting that??? because it offends you and dont want to see those pictures and dont want to accept that drawing those pictures are also freedom of expression.

The tables are turned on me? What the **** are you talking about?
I'm not religious, Draw whatever pictures you like, mock anyone you like I don't give a crap.... I don't have a problem with your pictures, I just have a problem with you failing to understand the principle and reasoning behind this "Art Project" as you called it, satirical protest is more like it.


Nothing you posted offends me in terms of a dead Jesus or whatever... I don't care... You're completely misunderstanding what I am supporting here and why I'm supporting it.

Just stop trying to argue with me, There's nothing to argue about and you can't even understand what has happened and why this is a response to it.

If the Muslim "religion" consider it derogatory to even depict a living form of Mohd. or watever the name of their God is then the only main reason to draw is to offend and depict images of their God.

Mohammed was a prophet, Not a god... much like Jesus, and Jesus appears in the Qua'ran many time too... "Their" good is Called Allah... which is just "Their" word for God... it's the same God as The Jewish God and the Christian God.

No.... South Park never intended to show Mohammed, they were pointing out, through the medium of comedy, that it is a crazy state of affairs when you can show Buddha doing coke and Jesus surfing Porn, but have to put Mohammed in a bear suit or the back of a van because depictions of him are somehow banned.... funnily enough they're banned for Muslims, I'm not a Muslim and Neither are the creators of South Park and as a matter of Equality they should have been able to show him.... not only did they not show him, but they even had to beep his name out?

Similarly Swastika or Seig Heil or Hail Hitler or Nazi regalia is considered derogatory in Jewish religion for watever reasons that is why it is not allowed to wear that sign/ looked down upon and in many countries there are laws against it. Even in USA anyone who wears that sign is targeted not only by media but by politicians...organisations.

None of what you're talking about has anything to do with this issue.
People show images of jesus, as you did, as a zombie... hell South Park have Jesus as a regular character.... yet no death threats from Extremist Christians...


Please... read up on the matter a little and stop talking about completely unrelated things like swastikas?

It is funny there is so much uproar over this with cries of censorship when just only few days ago someone in USA was charged for possessing cartoon or porn depicting underage teens. Why was the person charged bcoz' other ppl find it derogatory & dats y its against law lol! So wht abt this censorship? Heck! we are talking abt censorship on a forum where there are rules about what can be talked about and what cannot be for ex. drugs, personal consumption, illicit activity, porn etc. Wat about this censorship? Why is it censored?

What are you rambling on about?

This issue is about South Park and Comedy Centrals decision to edit an Episode With Mohammed in it... And now an Artist has decided that someone has to make a stand and is now Proposing to Run a competition for people and have a "Draw pictures of Mohammed" day.... Please try and stay on topic.

Talk about freedom of expression when u stand up for everything else also otherwise u are only standing up for what u think is right and not for other's freedom of expression.

I don't think anything is right or wrong, It's about freedom of speech and artistic freedom.

Anyone can have freedom of expression, where am i saying they can't?




[edit on 25/4/10 by blupblup]

Now the owner of the Facebook page is NOT going to participate in her own event, due to the "appalling" hatred she is seeing from those participating, depicting very hateful Mo pictures.

Here is her statement:

"Apparently this has turned into a mud-slinging fest, because most people posting on this event's Wall just don't get it.

Why did I create this event? I saw the fantastic cartoon now shown on this page, and thought it was a very nice (and polite + respectful) way of making the point that while Mohammed might well have insisted that he not be depicted by Muslims (to prevent idol worship), there are plenty of non-Muslims who value freedom of expression -- and that we can all live together with mutual respect.

With many people all standing up for their right to depict Mohammed if they so chose, we would make an important point about how we were not going to cower before a handful of Muslim zealots.

I did not create this event to encourage people to be deliberately offensive, by equating the silliness of those zealots with the entire Islamic faith and its bazillions of adherents, a few of whom I am lucky to count among my friends.

The histories and cultures of Islamic peoples are fascinating and inspiring, and the contributions of many Muslims to our world are innumerable.

Censorship is bad, mmkay, so I'm not going to delete all the posts on this Wall, but as the creator of this event on Facebook, I'll now mark myself as "not attending" because, frankly, I don't want to be around most of you people.

Hatred breeds hatred, and tolerance and respect breeds tolerance and respect. This event was not supposed to be about hatred but its opposite.

I am aghast that so many people are posting deeply offensive pictures of the Prophet. Y'all go ahead if that's your bag, but count me out.

And I encourage you all to make some Muslim friends -- those of you who clearly have never met a Muslim. Yeesh."

www.facebook.com...






Now, in what world is this lady living that she is appalled and aghast by the immature responses? They were responding in kind!




And I would not be surprised AT ALL if some group like the ADL were not behind the more "appalling" Mohammad pictures submitted.

With the furor over this Facebook page, what a great opportunity for the ADL and their keyboard commandos to jump in and stir up some chum, see what bites. They'll make a new report on it.

What did this lady expect in these tense times, Kumbaya???

It is too easy to make a Facebook anymore.

I propose waiting periods and licenses to use the internets!!! And background checks too.

Time Dilation mentioned in the Qur'an

This is just a copy and paste But I will post the link later


[Quran 50.38] We [Allah] created the heavens and the Earth and all what's between them in six days, and We were not touched by fatigue.



[Quran 41.9] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."



In God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens and Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). Similarly in Earth time, the age of Earth is 4.5672 billion years while the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years; this is also one third (4.5672 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). So it is the same ratio in Earth time or in God's Throne time. The theory of general relativity explains why time at God's Throne passes slower than on Earth. General relativity explains why 6 days passed at God's Throne but we measured it as 13.7 billion years (that is each day at God's Throne measures around 2.28 billion years on Earth). So according to the Quran:


God's Throne > Paradise/Hell > Earth

Using the same methods you can guess how long it took to make man.

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I LOVED some of the pics...

Why wait until May 22? Everyday should be draw Muhammad Day.

Granted, this one might be offensive, but isn't that the point? Found this one on the internetz.


***The intertubes can be offensive, use with cautionz.***


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[edit on 25-4-2010 by harrytuttle]

Originally posted by webpirate
The Muslims can use a cartoon to try to help them and their people out. However, as is obvious from this story, there are now sects from Israel who can't take the cartoon and labeled it as psychological warfare.

Sound familiar?

Yes, they sure know the art of creating cartoons and tv shows. When it comes to penetrate children with hatred... Hilarious sense of humor

On this site you will find a serie of cartoons :
Cartoons islam has killed for
Among them, and i'm so proud, the danish flag is there too
and what a surprise "Palestinian child urinates on Lady Liberty" from a Hamas publication. Drawings of jews also included...

Just only the muslims feels offended because it's not allowed to depict the prophet and as i've read "any living soul". That you're not to worship an image...Still some muslims are free to mock other cultures ?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Now the owner of the Facebook page is NOT going to participate in her own event, due to the "appalling" hatred she is seeing from those participating, depicting very hateful Mo pictures.

Here is her statement:

"Apparently this has turned into a mud-slinging fest, because most people posting on this event's Wall just don't get it.

Why did I create this event? I saw the fantastic cartoon now shown on this page, and thought it was a very nice (and polite + respectful) way of making the point that while Mohammed might well have insisted that he not be depicted by Muslims (to prevent idol worship), there are plenty of non-Muslims who value freedom of expression -- and that we can all live together with mutual respect."


Now, in what world is this lady living that she is appalled and aghast by the immature responses? They were responding in kind!



And I would not be surprised AT ALL if some group like the ADL were not behind the more "appalling" Mohammad pictures submitted.

With the furor over this Facebook page, what a great opportunity for the ADL and their keyboard commandos to jump in and stir up some chum, see what bites. They'll make a new report on it.

What did this lady expect in these tense times, Kumbaya???

It is too easy to make a Facebook anymore.

I propose waiting periods and licenses to use the internets!!! And background checks too.

This is exactly what I speculated would happen, and said so earlier on. Also, this topic has become a Muslim in general hatred topic. It was not my intention nor hers to create this type of atmosphere. I had to ask the mods very early on in this topic to watch this thread because it had turned into hatred and mudslinging.
This whole thing was supposed to have been about the right to draw a non derogatory picture of any religious figure. Including South Park. There has NEVER been anything derogatory said or done about Muslims or Mohammad. It has all always been over Trey and Matt's right to depict him in a non slanderous manner. Which is way less than they usually do when they rip on someone or something.

[edit on 25-4-2010 by webpirate]

Originally posted by blupblup Do you understand what this argument is about?

I have watched the episodes including the uncensored ones. I understand the so called "argument" which you are trying so hard to only limit to drawing of 1 religion.

Are you even talking about this specific argument or are you just rambling about all forms of Censorship and so on?

The core of the argument is the right to free speech in an art form against religion or anything including Muslims.

I really don't see how you can have an informed opinion on this when you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and no idea what South Park is about...

That is obvious from ur perspective only those who agree with you are informed and others have no idea.

There is no similar "Art Project" about Jews because they did not threaten to kill the creators and network people of the show for just Saying someone's name

No but people's life gets destroyed if they show or say anything against Jews or Holocaust or their views differ from them. People are scared to say anything or even present their views in public for they know the threat. I guess that is not a threat in your book and is right to free speech.

.... do you understand that??

Not just showing name but showing "image" which is considered offensive in that particular religion, is it simple enough now?

Making death threats for saying the name Mohammed.... It's beyond ridiculous.

Yes its equally ridiculous as threat of ruining someone's life and publicly humiliating coz after that the person is anyway finished.

Just stop trying to argue with me,

I did not start argue with you nor I consider this as argument. You need to relax a bit and chill out if you think this is argument.

No.... South Park never intended to show Mohammed, they were pointing out, through the medium of comedy, that it is a crazy state of affairs when you can show Buddha doing coke and Jesus surfing Porn, but have to put Mohammed in a bear suit or the back of a van because depictions of him are somehow banned.... funnily enough they're banned for Muslims,

Hell I support SP in showing watever they want to show as long as they support my free speech too.

None of what you're talking about has anything to do with this issue.
People show images of jesus, as you did, as a zombie... hell South Park have Jesus as a regular character.... yet no death threats from Extremist Christians... Please... read up on the matter a little and stop talking about completely unrelated things like swastikas?

It has to do everything with this matter as the base of matter is not just Muslims threat but the idea of freedom to speech and expression. If you dont understand the concept of free expression I advise you re-read the constitution where it is said; "“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”"
It does not mention any specific religion thus all are game. The core issue is when someone says it's okay to depict Mohd. in image even when it is considered derogatory & offensive to Muslim then it's okay to portray anything which is offending to othr religion/ group/ organisation aswell.

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Here are some links
Christian Group Attacks 50 Cent
Christian Group Attacks UC Berkley for Promoting Evolution
Christians attack "satanic" Eurovision song

+ tons more ..all calls by religious Christian groups to censor art, issues blah blah.

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Heh! you gotta admit this one beats all (self censored parts of pic for ATS guidelines)

Originally posted by Crimson_King

If this is the case why are organisations like ADL working inside USA who are famous to label anyone anti-semitic and Nazi who says anything against Jews or holocaust and are then hollered by mainstream media until the person is publicly humiliated and his/her life destroyed? Why no similar art project against Jews? Why are people not making swastika's and other images which are ridiculed in public because they are offending to Jews? Or tell me that its not true? Is it or not? Is there no threat then?

Maybe you should watch South Park. The Jews are mocked on a regular basis on that show. They are getting no special treatment.

The artists arent being called to draw pictures of Mohammed to offend Muslims. They are being called to draw pictures in large numbers to show people who are trying to use threats of violence that using threats of violence is not going to work. Its simple conditioning.

If children learn that throwing temper tantrums and kicking, spitting, screaming, etc., is an efficient way of getting what they want and controlling their parents, guess what? They have no motivation to grow up and act like civilized human beings and bargain, and discuss rationally and intelligently.

Its the same here. If people get their way by threatening violence, you have just increased the likelihood that there will be more threats of violence in the future by people who want to get their way. Not only among Muslim extremists, but among any group of nutters who want to control the actions of other people. Giving in to threats, terrorism, makes more terrorism likely. Its why we dont bargain for hostages as a nation.

I really dont know why thats so hard for some to understand. Its not complicated.

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And? Its the same issue when Christian extremists use violence and threats of violence to try to force their religious beliefs on people. Although because the issue here is death threats, you would have been better off going with the abortion clinic bombers, and those who shoot doctors.

en.wikipedia.org...

And guess what? How we deal with them is not "respecting their religious wishes," by abstaining from abortions. We punish them for being terrorists, we dont give in to their demands as you seem to be in favor of us doing in the case of those Muslims making death threats.

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You realize you're going to hell for that one, don't ya.

The fact that it got a chuckle out of me tells me I'll probably be joining you.
I'll just keep telling myself that wasn't really Christ that wasn't really Christ,..

Edit to ask, does Mohammed have a last name?

[edit on 25-4-2010 by Alxandro]

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564561
You realize you're going to hell for that one, don't ya. The fact that it got a chuckle out of me tells me I'll probably be joining you. I'll just keep telling myself that wasn't really Christ that wasn't really Christ,..Edit to ask, does Mohammed have a last name?[edit on 25-4-2010 by Alxandro]

Not religious, dont know and dont care abt any religion. My only issue in getting in this topic is core of free speech. For all I care religion can do anything they want too I dont give a *snip*. There is only one truth to life, it's death. If there is any God then he/she/it is everywhere even in that picture otherwise not. If God existed then why did he created Atheist & Agnostic and diff. religion? That is subject for some other topic dont want to derail this 1.

I vaguely heard its something like Prophet Mohd. not sure.