What energy source do aliens use to power thier machines?

reply to post by AliensAreDemons


To the board ...Better Idea... Google it, and avoid cultural programming.

To AliensAreDemons .Remember , faith is only good for people who want to have some. They tend to be put off by constant reminders, or seeing it everywhere they go ... like here on the internet for instance!

Edit to add, by the way, Zechariah was informative, but all I got from the other bible quote was a whole load of nothing, and neither mentions the word Vril. Not super helpful.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by TrueBrit]

Originally posted by YouCanCallMeKM

Antimatter.

It gives the highest energy output (when combined with matter) per unit mass, of any energy source we know of, so that would make it a logical choice for that reason. Of course we have a hard time making or containing antimatter but it's possible the aliens might have overcome those problems.

Great. So now you have obtained the antimatter, but now how do you use it? You use gas for a lawnmower. The engine is built to work on gas right. I wonder what machine is capable of taking this antimatter in and using it as pleased. I dont know if this is true, but wouldnt there be devastating consequence if antimatter came in contact with matter from our world? If so it would be a 1 shot chance to get it right the first time you try or else say bye to everything

That's like saying if you put a match to a giant tank of gasoline it will explode in a fireball so how do you use gasoline as a fuel?

I said we have problems not only making it, but containing it. But if we could make and contain antimatter, it would be metered out like any other fuel source, you have a fuel storage chamber, and a separate reaction chamber.

Once the matter and antimatter react with each other, there are several possibilities for how the energy could be used. Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive

The Alcubierre drive, also known as the Alcubierre metric or Warp Drive, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional "warp drive" from Star Trek, which can travel "faster than light" (although not in a local sense - see below).

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To understand 'Vril force' that comes from the "black sun" inside the place Admiral Byrd found, you should contemplate more specifically the "force" told of with the Merkabahs in Ezekiel 1:19-20 and contrast that with the " force" behind the coming grigori craft in Zechariah 5:9

For even more insight read the entire Vaimanika Shastra.
Then you will know how the amazing Merkabahs' propulsion differs from that of the man-made vimana or vailixi with their mercury plasma magnetic vortices.

Research 'Shauberger Implosion Turbines' used in the Nazi Bell, Haunebu, and Vril-ya that were retro-engineered from the rune riddled vimanas the Nazis dug up at Base 211 in Antarctica.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by AliensAreDemons]

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Considering 4D+, I wonder if different exotic elements could exist in those densities/planes/whatever that could not naturally exist here in our local 3D space/time of the universe (115?). And that, perhaps certain elements we take for granted here, would be annihilated there (He?).

In this case, the container for that exotic element might have to be some kind of hyperspacial field generator to keep the element from disintegrating. The same mechanics used to project further along the 4th axis (hyperdrive) would be used in the containment system. Maybe?

Anti-matter would give you the biggest bang for your buck, but it might not be necessary to power those crafts/machines. Unless you are travelling long distances, then space and weight are a major concern. But, if you could slip further into 4 space, trawl the element, process and compact it into your containers you wouldn't have to worry too much about it. Just don't let that containment field/hold fail!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by YouCanCallMeKM

Antimatter.

It gives the highest energy output (when combined with matter) per unit mass, of any energy source we know of, so that would make it a logical choice for that reason. Of course we have a hard time making or containing antimatter but it's possible the aliens might have overcome those problems.

Great. So now you have obtained the antimatter, but now how do you use it? You use gas for a lawnmower. The engine is built to work on gas right. I wonder what machine is capable of taking this antimatter in and using it as pleased. I dont know if this is true, but wouldnt there be devastating consequence if antimatter came in contact with matter from our world? If so it would be a 1 shot chance to get it right the first time you try or else say bye to everything

That's like saying if you put a match to a giant tank of gasoline it will explode in a fireball so how do you use gasoline as a fuel?

I said we have problems not only making it, but containing it. But if we could make and contain antimatter, it would be metered out like any other fuel source, you have a fuel storage chamber, and a separate reaction chamber.

Once the matter and antimatter react with each other, there are several possibilities for how the energy could be used. Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive

The Alcubierre drive, also known as the Alcubierre metric or Warp Drive, is a speculative mathematical model of a spacetime exhibiting features reminiscent of the fictional "warp drive" from Star Trek, which can travel "faster than light" (although not in a local sense - see below).

Anti-matter wouldn't give you an Alcubierre drive no matter how much of it you were able to harness!

Originally posted by big_BHOY
Anti-matter wouldn't give you an Alcubierre drive no matter how much of it you were able to harness!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive.

No, it won't give you one. It might be a good fuel source to power one, though. You don't pour gasoline on your car and light it to drive, do you?

Originally posted by Flux8

Originally posted by big_BHOY
Anti-matter wouldn't give you an Alcubierre drive no matter how much of it you were able to harness!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive.

No, it won't give you one. It might be a good fuel source to power one, though. You don't pour gasoline on your car and light it to drive, do you?

Flux8, you're exactly right.

Thanks for clarifying.

But in response to big_BHOY's point, we certainly don't know how to build an Alcubierre drive, and in fact as far as our limited knowledge tells us, FTL travel may not be possible.

But since we are speculating about alien technology, then maybe they figured out a lot of stuff we don't know how to do, so maybe they can build an Alcubierre drive even if we don't know how to do it, or some alternative type of engine just as beyond out current technology.

While nobody is sure if an Alcubierre drive can really be made, we are pretty sure of one thing:

If one is made, it will require huge amounts of power. And since matter-antimatter reactions release huge amounts of energy, there might be a fit.

I just came up with an idea;

I call it "GRAVITON FUSION" which would create more gravitons for the space craft's propulsion;
then you could use lenses to focus the gravitons into a laser like beam to create your own little wormhole on demand;
and after the gravitons fuse who knows what extra particles they will give off; maybe "antimatter" or "Gluons", or maybe just more "gravitons" particles


Gravitons cause the curvature of the space-time continuum;
So I think it will work

Here's a good article on Force Carrier particles

en.wikipedia.org...


Here is an article about Gluon's; its a good read

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 29-4-2010 by DjSharperimage]

Originally posted by Flux8

Originally posted by big_BHOY
Anti-matter wouldn't give you an Alcubierre drive no matter how much of it you were able to harness!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
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Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive.

No, it won't give you one. It might be a good fuel source to power one, though. You don't pour gasoline on your car and light it to drive, do you?

You won't use gasoline to try & warp the fabric of space itself!

An Aclubierre drive requires 2 'energy sources'. Anti-matter would meet 1 of them, but no matter who much of it you could harness, without the other, you won't be warping through space.

Here is a video on the power of Graviton Fusion;

news.bbc.co.uk...

Maybe I am going in the wrong direction for propulsion systems.....

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This is a good example of why 'alien technology' should not be dissiminated to the masses. Maybe the Roswell crash was a result of forgetting that the hyperdrive was in reverse! Whoops.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Flux8

Originally posted by big_BHOY
Anti-matter wouldn't give you an Alcubierre drive no matter how much of it you were able to harness!

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
...
Once again, in the Star Trek scenario, the energy produced would be used to provide power for an Alcubierre drive.

No, it won't give you one. It might be a good fuel source to power one, though. You don't pour gasoline on your car and light it to drive, do you?

Flux8, you're exactly right.

Thanks for clarifying.

But in response to big_BHOY's point, we certainly don't know how to build an Alcubierre drive, and in fact as far as our limited knowledge tells us, FTL travel may not be possible.

But since we are speculating about alien technology, then maybe they figured out a lot of stuff we don't know how to do, so maybe they can build an Alcubierre drive even if we don't know how to do it, or some alternative type of engine just as beyond out current technology.

While nobody is sure if an Alcubierre drive can really be made, we are pretty sure of one thing:

If one is made, it will require huge amounts of power. And since matter-antimatter reactions release huge amounts of energy, there might be a fit.

Of course we don't know how to build one nor the ramifications of what would happen even if we did have the ability to 'try' it.

From what's currently known about the 'Alcubierre Drive', it requires mind-boggling amounts of energy. Anti-matter being the perfect energy source, it should be able to do it right! The big problem here in actual fact, is that the AD really needs 2 forms of energy! A conventional one (which anti-matter would work perfectly for) & an 'exotic' one (this is actually the most critical component of the whole thing in that it's the stuff that actually allows you to bend/fold space). This is called 'negative energy'.

Not only do we need be able to utilise 'negative energy' but we somehow need to harness mind-boggling amounts of the stuff. The latest calculations have shown that to move a 10m craft (bear in mind that an interstellar space craft is likely going to be a few hundred m's) you will need an amount that's equivalent of converting the entire mass of Jupiter into energy. Even if we can somehow drag those numbers down further, your still talking about crazy numbers.

This 'negative energy' is the exact same stuff that's theorized in the use of wormholes.

That's why anti-matter on it's own won't give you an Alcubierre Drive now matter how much of it you can use. At the end of the day, an anti-matter drive is basically the same as the chemical rockets we use currently. It's essentially the most efficient Newtonian rocket that we currently know of.

Truthfully, with the amount of negative energy needed for a 10m craft, imagine scaling that up 10/20/30 times, then think that's what's needed everytime you start the engine up & I simply can't see it working as it currently is. If we can harness 'negative energy' in future, I think wormholes might be a better bet.