I'm Tired - I'm Exhausted

I'm going to try to reply to everybody here.


reply to post by DXFILMS


Thanks for your post. The Ghandi quote helps to put some things into perspective.

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


I have woken people up in the past, at least it seemed that way. It is hard to tell because most times they go back doing the same old same old. The blatant belief in the mass media is the worst of the problems, but they continue to follow it like it is their god.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


I can only hope you are right on that one.

reply to post by Faiol


Personally, I am ashamed of what the military is doing and what our government stands for. The wars in the Middle East are far gone from a war of freedom are indeed a war of empire. There are others who show unfounded patriotism towards the troops, however, though I respect them, I do not respect what they are currently doing.

reply to post by Dynamitrios


There will always be one or two people like you - threatened by my words. I wanted to help others, and believe me I still do - however when they are so arrogant as to listen to facts in the face of them - then I question whether when the time comes if I will help them or if I will say "No."

I don't have all the answers, but I know for sure as hell that I have more then the people who herald American Idol as their weekly ritual, and salute the main stream media for their exquisite "research and reporting". As far is if I was assigned to be some kind of missionary, that is another topic for another day, but I rightly believe I was.

You mention evolution but not at one time to you mention emotion. Human life is more than just "survival of the fittest" as some scientists like to put it - the existence of a soul puts everything in another perspective. Either you care about your species and its salvation, you care about nothing. There is no middle ground.

By the sound of it you would rather everyone simply die off so that evolution can take its course. To herald THAT philosophy over mine of spreading truth and awareness is just silly and heartless.

reply to post by XXXN3O


Thanks for your words. I will take them to heart.

reply to post by Faiol


My teaching is teaching to research. It is teaching to think for themselves. I am not simply telling people to believe as I believe, but I am telling them to formulate their own opinions.

reply to post by Subjective Truth


Thanks you ST, and I consider you a friend as well. I don't plan on stopping the good fight, I am simply considering focusing my resources elsewhere. People are too arrogant to want to change through truth and "preaching" that I do, so perhaps another method is in the works.

I will take your words to heart.

reply to post by ViperFoxBat


Though I have tried getting together with locals, the effects were negative to say the least. However, I never thought about using Craigslist. Perhaps there is merit in that idea, thanks.

reply to post by Xtrozero


For this country, I base my beliefs on, as Subjective Truth mentions - the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. I believe it is our duty and honor to pay tribute to those men who risked everything to give us what we have today. While their vision is now an empty shell of what it once was, I do believe that the hope for this country can be restored.

As for the rest of the world... one step at a time.

Just because humans might divert back to their same ways in the future, is not any reason not to hope for a better life. Even if it is 1 year of utopia, it will be better lived than through a lifetime of chaos and corruption.

I believe that utopia is created in the mind and not in the physical world. It is when human beings are lifted from all shackles of life, when they can live their life in peace, without fear of breaking the obscure laws or being killed for their beliefs - that is utopia.

reply to post by zeddissad


It just becomes so hard when you see that 90% as opposed to that 10%. You start to wonder if it is even possible to wake up more, or if they will just return to their sleep state.

Thanks for the reply.

reply to post by Common Good


I have thought about this more than once, that perhaps my words are working. However, even for those that I had believed were awakened in the slightest, they have disappointed me. I had convinced my own parents after the beginning of the current recession that gold prices would rise and they should convert their retirement into gold.

The act like they believed me and I thought they had listened. Instead, they chose to play the cards. Gold skyrocketed, they were stunned at my prediction and they finally started to listen. I told them that this "recovery" isn't happening time and time again and at first they agreed, but lately they have just become frustrated telling me that I don't know of anything. They tell me that I am wrong and that I am being immature

I tried to convince them that global warming and of the 9/11 situation, and they refused to listen to me. But when I convinced them to watch Jesse Ventura's Conspiricy Theory about the subject, their minds changed and they started to think- but not enough to actually care.

It just went to show me that people would much rather believe anything on the media then the truth before them. I'm glad they are semi-awake to the possibilities, but the fact still remains.

I'm tired of fighting a losing battle. The people can have the truth smacking them in the face and they will still ignore it. They are too bothered by the illusion before them.

It's human nature to be apathetic as long as you have food and a roof over your head. "The Three Little Pigs" is a classic example of how we humans do it. In fact, a couple Aesop's fables will describe the human condition better than the collected works of Freud. (And the pigs didn't even have cable TV or beer.)

Sorry buddy but your rant doesn't sound like the watchman it sounds like Travis Bickle's (Taxi Driver) before he goes on a shooting spree.
"And then they will turn to me."
And why would they do that? I hate to rain on your parade but most of us 'sheeple' as you refer to usare holding down jobs, and trying to raise good kids, and trying to get by and don't see any overwrought conspiracy against us.
Every day I see these kinds of rants, and I see nothing in them that appeals to my sense of right or wrong, my sense of honor, or my sense of duty.
You want to change the world, stop whining on ATS, stop trying to convince me that crop circles made by drunk UK'ers are really plans for a spaceship... or that my kid shouldn't get vaccinated against smallpox, or that Obama is a socialist... blah blah blah.
Can you imagine Gandhi saying, I'd love to take control of my own country but there's a cabal of mason's who are actually running things so I can't really do anything...

I agree with you. I feel the same, and you seem to have learned as I did; it's not worth it. Sure, it would be nice to help others and free them from the evils that our society is capable of...but it is also (in the end), not worth it.

I think that lately, people are slowely wake up. Not fast enough but more then a few years back. Look how many people worldwide think 911 has been a inside job.

Keep spreading the word. Dont try to convince people, just trigger theire minds a bit and show where they can find info. Tell them not to believe you but find out themselves on the internet. Dont forget that most people get theire information mainstream, they live in a total different world compare to the ATS community.

Never give up.

If you're so torn up with the things you know, and obviously are living life so miserably, why would you wan't people to "know" what you think you "know", and have all of your friends and family miserable as well? Ignorance is bliss, cliche to say, but it really is. Let these people be happy without thinking of whatever get's you so depressed. Myself, I try to encourage people to research the information I give them and let them create their own opinions. But I don't preach it to them, if the topic comes up, I say something that's associated with it. You shouldn't force your beliefs on anyone, in any way. Whether it be religion, anti-goverment etc etc. People have free will, and trying to force them to believe things that might not even be true isn't the best way to go.


Like a poster above me said; "You learn from your mistakes." If these people need to learn a lesson, the best way to do it is let them make a mistake. I've made a lot of mistakes throughout my 25 year life, and I have to say I learned a lot from it. I wouldn't go back and change a single thing. The mistakes I've made in the past are what made me who I am today, and my life today is beyond what I've dreamed of.

reply to post by gwydionblack


I have a suggestion for you. I do it if I'm tired and exhausted. Take a break and get some rest. Don't force it, you're not made of iron.

reply to post by gwydionblack


Let me start by making two things extraordnarily clear

1. This is NOT a flame

2. I am NOT threatened by whatever you may know or say

With that said did it ever occur to you that maybe your truth isn't truth afterall? Day in and day out we here all about how people have the truth yet it all comes out objective and the evidence they give us is flimsy at best. Frankly I don't think a single one of us knows the real truth. Most of the stuff on here is not really provable

If people really bother you that much do as the Christians should do...give up on us and let us 'sink'

I've found what I think it the truth...can't prove it I don't really bother. I just let people live as they want

IMO of course

-Kyo

the only difference between a christian and a truether (as far as OP goes).

is the last word of his post.

reply to post by jeanvaljean


Did I ever say I wanted people to follow me? To tag along behind blindly? No.

You get the wrong idea. They aren't defending against my truth with THEIRS they are defending against the general truth with their illusion of truth presented through society and the mass media.

By waking people up I don't preach to people to "believe what I believe or die" I tell them to think for themselves and to formulate their own views of the world based on UNBIASED INFORMATION AND RESEARCH. People are too lazy to get into that. And learning is for school only according to them.

reply to post by Tek-Neek55


Its actually quite funny to think about. There are actually so many people that are awake to reality and yet they still call of us crazy. It is truly amazing how that works.

reply to post by nik1halo


Good point, jeeze,.I'll tell you what, with that logic you should join the debate team.

"OH LOL, he likes Watchmen, pay no attention to him LAWLAWLAWL!"

reply to post by mutante


That is quite interesting. I will have to look into those works.

reply to post by Dragonelle


We are so far and few between that we technically are alone. I suppose we are like the sheep dogs, here to protect the sheeple from the wolves.

reply to post by kenochs


Wait so you are a self proclaimed "sheeple" and yet you carouse ATS... and you claim that there is NOTHING "that appeals to my sense of right or wrong, my sense of honor, or my sense of duty."

Where are you looking? What peaceful society and happy-go-lucky world do you live in that all of us are missing? I suppose the government is just "doing as it does" to keep us safe and vigilante, eh?

You can hold down a job and raise a family while still being aware of the world around you. What would it take to affect your sense "of duty"? Will it take you children growing up and being unable to have a decent education? Will it be reaching retirement only to realize that the government stole all of it? Or will it take something more drastic like someone close being killed in on of those "terrorist" attacks that the government harps on so much about?

You obviously don't know me or my posting record. I'm not the kind of guy that only sits on ATS and complains. I am out there. I am in the world fighting the good fight. Sometimes it is with weapons, sometimes it is with words. What are you doing?

You are "holding down jobs, and trying to raise good kids, and trying to get by and don't see any overwrought conspiracy against us. " As if the rest of the world can go screw themselves. You are trying your best and that is all that matters.

Then I say they will "turn to me" I refer to all of us people who advocate the truth and "waking up". If will be us "kooks" and "loons" who will be prepared for the worst when it comes. Be it through our knowledge and acceptance of what was coming, or be it through our physical survival preparedness (something I preach personally) they will look to us because we will be the only ones who knew what was coming.

So then each and everyone has to ask themselves. If it is your life on the line, if you took the time to prepare and wake people up, yet they ignored every last word that you said...

Where would you stand?



Would you be willing to suck up your pride, perhaps risk your own survival for those who were too blind to listen?

Or would you look those people in the eye and tell them -

"No."






reply to post by KyoZero


Like I said, I'm not trying to advocate HOW to think, I am trying to advocate THINKING in general. What you believe and how you get to that point is your own problem, however, it is actually taking the time to form their own opinions that these people seem to have trouble with.

They would much rather take the gift wrapped example given to them then to have to create something from scratch.

Maybe you should really think about your approach with people. You come off as arrogant. You really think you know the "truth"? Nobody knows the whole truth. Also, it is really hard to even care what you have to say when you categorize us all as "sheeple." How do you expect anyone to care about what you have to say when you criticize us then complain how tired you are of trying. You also say that when we finally all beg for your help (lol) you will tell us "no"? You are not God, and I can say without a doubt that I will not be seeking your help if the world comes crashing down around me. Maybe your intentions are good....but one would never know with your tone. In my opinion, you sound like a very angry, depressed person. However, that is just MY opinion. I really hope you don't take my response negatively. I just wanted to say that if you really want people to listen to you, you need to think about how you are coming across. I was offended. You can't force people to share the same views as you. but there are people willing to listen and learn. Don't write everyone off just yet.

You have done your job if you have "woken up" one person. Why so hard on yourself?

One person at a time...

Eventually...

The word will get out exponentially.

@OP:

A few members have advised you not to be so hard on yourself. I disagree. Your frustration and feelings of defeat are an honest expression. We should all feel this way. I do. We're losing, after all. Your feelings are telling you that you are discontent with the fruit of your endeavors. To me, this sounds like you're questioning how effective you've been with the time you've dedicated to your cause. Maybe it's time that you accepted that the majority of the people cannot be persuaded but instead only lead as sheep. Examine your enemy and adopt their methodologies. The packaging and marketing of your message is everything. Your primary focus should be networking with like-minded individuals OFFLINE and organizing yourselves into geographical clusters.

Don't waste the rest of your life directly educating a people that deserve their own fate. Instead, learn only how to manage them for their own good.

reply to post by LurkerMan


The grand ole no

Frankly I am not sure what makes people think we need saving? Conspiracies have been around since the dawn of this nation right? For the last several years the NWO has taken over, economy has crashed, and the police state has started

So why haven't I seen in my network of friends, family, coworkers, school chums...whoever...have I seen people being arrested for piddly stuff? Why is this network of people doing ok financially? Why hasn't each president (who is supposed to be the next world leader) taken over the world?

Empy promises...empty prophecies...it's all so empty IMO. See you OP think I am not open minded but frankly I am very open minded. If someone shoes me honest concrete proof then I am in. I will believe whatever you show me that is real.

you give me two pennies...then give me two more and tell me I have 4...I see four pennies. That is concrete. All the subjective guessing on this site isn't proof! Yet here we are expected to believe everything here. Listen and accept the truth like good little boys and girls so we can be wide open minded...don't disagree with these 'truths'

Kind of sounds like the NWO is already here....just on the wrong side

-Kyo

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."

"It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop."

"When anger rises, think of the consequences."

- Confucius


"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. "

"He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious. "

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy."

- Sun Tzu

I think these quotes have summed up my replies well enough.

It's safe to throw conspiracy theories around, because what you in fact do is casting the blame on a group without stating any facts whatsoever. It's a rhetorical move, but it doesn't impress me, nor anyone else whose IQ is equal to or above Western European standard. Instead of taking a handful of positive visions and at least making some of them reality, paranoid men regard themselves as victims of a group more successful than them. It's a mind-game: I can't beat X, so I'll keep saying X keeps me from doing good, therefore I have a moral argument against why I'm not doing good. Don't be fooled by this; it is laziness camouflaged as insight. Powerless people are sometimes sad, but powerless people who try to convert others to their cause is a societal problem. Cut them off.

I don't believe people who manifest bad behavior are completely lost. They grew up in a decadent society that offers them too much safety, protection and propaganda. They need to learn to stand on their own. When you can manage a full time job, a family, a house, and at least push one civil movement forward, you won't even have the time to waste your life on fear or paranoia. You'll be too lucky to be alive as a man, as a Western citizen, and as a human being of the 21st Century

reply to post by stephanies-chase


I will have to agree with this as well. Listen to the words of your OP

When we are finally crushed we will come to you for help...YOU...what makes you capable of saving all of us when the SHTF? It really does come off pretty high-and-mighty

-Kyo

Hello,

1st, You are not the only one exhausted.

2nd, This is crunch time, if you stop now, will "you" or "we" still succeed, in our wake up plans?

3rd, Nothing is easy in life, in fact a deceased philosopher Baruch Spinoza once stated, "All things excellent are as difficult as they are rare."

4th, Would you consider yourself strictly human? Or do you classify yourself as a certain sort of animal, or entity that is even beyond earthly excistences?

If you feel like horrible things are going to happen to you, you should go to the local hospital and have them juice you up with medications; I would trust doctors in these scenarios, you may not know this, but they have seen everything.

GL my firend and do not get pissed at ignorance,

Svesack

reply to post by KyoZero


not sure how that was a reply.

but i think the main issue here is state of mind.

i could go with the big long 5 paragraph reply that i just erased. or i could sum it all up with the 2 basic mind-states i see in this topic.

those who would prefer to be safe. if they can help it.

and those who prefer to wait untill they are in an actual state of "sorry" before they even so much as alter conscious.

this is like yin and yang. i think its more a matter of behavior than opinion.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


Dude take me to your world, a "perfect" system in place? talk about celebrating too early.

On second thought, good that you have a little confidence in this world, something I may be lacking at this point in my life.

Svesack