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Originally posted by Berserker01
Bravo.
They made an ass out of themselves, got arrested and prevented people who was there to hear the ambassador from doing so.
Instead of protesting out front, which is perfectly acceptable, they go inside and ruin it for everyone and you guys are cheering them on.
Well, I will see you guys next week. I have gotten my fill of ATS hypocricy.
Originally posted by john124
Perhaps it's the way they spoke their views. If they had stood up and shouted football chants would they still not be kicked out???
Both the pro-Israel and anti-Israel supporters there shouting and cheering were behaving fairly extreme, and both sides are quite crazy.
It would be ridiculous for any of these students to fail their exams because of this unless any of them are prosecuted and receive a criminal record for their outburst, but I would hope not because they weren't particularly threatening even if they did behave rudely.
This kind of tribal politics should have no place in universities. The problem is that arresting these students would only further worsen the issue.
Originally posted by Gregarious
reply to post by The time lord
In the past, Jews and Christians could coexisist with the Muslims, but they were required to pay an extortion fee, lovingly called a 'tax'. It is only now that they simply cut off our heads.
Originally posted by The time lord
If you are a non Muslim and you were at that event would you have personally stood up and interupted the guest speaker as in personally shout at him?
Originally posted by The time lord
If you are a non Muslim and you were at that event would you have personally stood up and interupted the guest speaker as in personally shout at him?
I'd be so pissed if I failed my exams because I stoop up for something I believed in......
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Republican08
I'd be so pissed if I failed my exams because I stoop up for something I believed in......
part of becoming an adult is learning when to shut up and when it's appropriate to speak your mind.
Even in a "free world" you are not free to walk into a Delhi and piss on the cheese.
You can't go around doing whatever you want, whenever you want. Because if it were true, there'd be even more people out there doing whatever they could to make sure you never spoke again. Can't have your cake & eat it too.
This is a ridiculous statement. I fail to see how voicing your opinion equates to urinating on someones property.
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mryanbrown
This is a ridiculous statement. I fail to see how voicing your opinion equates to urinating on someones property.
Its quite simple if you actually give it some "thought"
If you say "this" and "that" happens to you as a result, its called cause & effect
If you, representing your school, do something that embarrasses your school and makes the organization look bad, and fail your test a result
then you got what you deserved.
Its a lesson that can only be taught by trial & error because no idiot 17 year old moron ever believes the wiser, older person, when they say "Learn to keep your mouth shut"
Originally posted by TSawyer
There's really not much to discuss after 60 years of apartheid, genocide, and murder. What is there to discuss? How civilized must we pretend Zionists are? How much more organs yanked out before enough is enough? Where is the deadline? You'll probably understand that diplomacy failed when YOUR family has its organs stolen for 60 years, YOUR family is a subject of white phosphorous, YOUR home is evicted, and your children are shot dead in their streets. Is 60 years not enough for you to "get it". Was the Liberty attacks and 9/11 not enough? I think you'd change your opinion if you were the victim of Zionism. We never treated Hitler as a civilized ambassador, why should we treat these Zionists, who are doing the same thing, any different? Leaders? You do understand the core of the issue is that most of the world does not accept Zionism right? I'll ask one more time, and I hope it doesn't take another 60 years to answer: WHAT IS THERE TO DISCUSS? Your moral judgement is misdirected, funny you ignore that this man is an accomplice to all of the above crimes. Please fix your broken moral compass.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
We all have rights until a crime is commited.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
And simply voicing your opposition and walking out is not a crime.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
These students had a right to voice their opinion. And when they did their rights were violated. I don't care if you disagree with HOW they chose to exercise their RIGHT. I agree sovereignty comes with responsibility. But nothing they did at that venue warranted either an arrest, or threatening grades.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
And yes there is proof the students rights were violated. They were ARRESTED.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
And yes your rights are violated if you feel you need a license to travel. Or a myriad of other junk.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Just because you waive your rights freely does not mean they are not being violated.
Originally posted by Snarf
Even in a "free world" you are not free to walk into a Delhi and piss on the cheese.
You can't go around doing whatever you want, whenever you want. Because if it were true, there'd be even more people out there doing whatever they could to make sure you never spoke again. Can't have your cake & eat it too.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
This is a ridiculous statement. I fail to see how voicing your opinion equates to urinating on someones property.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Do you think perhaps years of indoctrination has lead some to the conclusion that with responsibility comes a loss in rights?
Originally posted by mryanbrown
This is more or less in a public setting.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Everyone is taking it far off course with exaggerations and contextual leaps.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
11 STUDENTS were arrested for 'PROTESTING'.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Take your biased adjectives out of the discussion.
Then we can bring it further back on topic about the US Ambassador being booed. It's because of the internationally recognized atrocities Israel has commited.
Originally posted by Jinni
Now I know many of you give the lip service that Israel is bad but how many of you are willing to make the sacrifice of lost earnings, business, education impact if you speak out?
[edit on 20-2-2010 by Jinni]
Originally posted by Alethea
The students were rude and ill behaved not to let the Ambassador speak. It was truly disgusting to see young 'educated' adults behaving like street thugs. Yes, they should all get a "Fail" grade and as punishment they need to be sent to a cheap Northern finishing school for a year to learn some manners.
Those people who make policy and have influence need to be allowed to speak freely and fully so that we may dissect their ideas and intentions in order to come to a better understanding of what they are representing and what their motives are.
Will these unruly disrupters influence my opinion of this man? No. I will not allow the actions of others to manipulate my opinion and neither should you.
The leaders must be given full opportunity to express themselves. Then, justice may rule. Only after they have completed their presentations is it worthwhile to debate the issues. Outbreaks like what happened keep the issues from being brought forth. Their own words will make or break them. Let them speak.
[edit on 20-2-2010 by Alethea]