Australian Net Filtering - Why is this not a big issue?

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Ha ha! I didn't even think of that! Very clever. I was referring to our budget deficit.

I have derailed this thread enough so I must gracefully bow out.

Edit: I just noticed the bad pun........



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i cant see how the internet can ever be restricted...its too big...how could governments restrict lets say access to a website?

Originally posted by duff_lyricist
i cant see how the internet can ever be restricted...its too big...how could governments restrict lets say access to a website?

Very easily.

* It could make 3rd party advertising illegal - and websites like ATS would go out of business.

* It could mandate censorship with filters, and lots of sites that shouldn't be "caught in the net" will be.

BUT.

The REAL problem is likely less with the potential for government censorship, and more with with media mega-corporations. ...They want to filter and prevent access so that we have to pay for every step of every little jaunt we take on the Net.

Of course, governments do the mega-corporations bidding. It's kind of a team thing.

Originally posted by duff_lyricist
i cant see how the internet can ever be restricted...its too big...how could governments restrict lets say access to a website?

The way they are doing it is this:

1. They have what is called an internet blacklist. This is made up of sites the government already knows about and doesn't like + sites that any Australian thinks fit the criteria of a banned site and reports.
2. The pass the law that makes EVERY ISP in Australia block access to these sites.
3. Australian ISPs simply disallow any access to these sites. This is the easy bit, you can do it on your computer right now. You can make it so that your computer has no access to certain sites.

Originally posted by SilentShadow

Originally posted by duff_lyricist
i cant see how the internet can ever be restricted...its too big...how could governments restrict lets say access to a website?

The way they are doing it is this:

1. They have what is called an internet blacklist. This is made up of sites the government already knows about and doesn't like + sites that any Australian thinks fit the criteria of a banned site and reports.
2. The pass the law that makes EVERY ISP in Australia block access to these sites.
3. Australian ISPs simply disallow any access to these sites. This is the easy bit, you can do it on your computer right now. You can make it so that your computer has no access to certain sites.

I starred you for this one SilentShadow - but I think you're missing a lot.

1. The REAL impetus for censorship is coming from the media mega-corporations - they want:
- the ability to charge fees for access outside the censoring filters, [Profit motive]
- a secure hold on advertising revenue, which means 3rd party advertising will be illegal and sites like ATS will go bankrupt. [Profit motive]

2. Media mega-corporations are way more motivated to censor than government is - they're also protecting other business interests: notably Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc. ...They have more to lose if truth gets out. [Profit motive]

3. Mega-corporations negotiate directly with government - and manipulate the public to support their agenda. It's the media that's scare-mongering and pushing issues like "national security" and "online personal privacy" to justify censorship - all red herrings - problems that can be solved without censorship. But won't be without public demand.

4. Site blacklists probably won't be the main mode of censorship. It's labor-intensive and costly to update site blacklists - and much cheaper to censor by "key phrases" and "terms." Also, laws are written to cover general terms, not specifically identified individual lawbreakers.

...When the censorship comes in, it will be according to key words and phrases - filtering programs will be written to censor out any site where any of those words, terms or phrases might appear even once. So a lot of good and "decent" sites will be caught by the filter, and unjustly censored off the net.



All in all a nasty business.

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I don't like censorship in any format. This is wrong and smacks of totalalitariansm. There is every likelihood of other countries adopting such conduct.

T

Originally posted by Tiger5
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I don't like censorship in any format. This is wrong and smacks of totalalitariansm.

Yep. It smacks of totalitarianism alright.

In this case, the global mega-corporations are securing a global corporate government, aka Corporatism.

Do you feel better knowing your new world government is Corporatist, not a Democracy?

There is every likelihood of other countries adopting such conduct.

T

They already are. For example:

French net filtering plan moves forward

What happened at the end of "1984'.
I never saw the ending on the net video I was watching.
With all the lies approved by the government something will happen
to show how they lie someday.

Perhaps a ministry of truth will be instituted or should I say
ministry of extreme alternate view totally allowed to present
a non government official truth.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
What happened at the end of "1984'.
...
Perhaps a ministry of truth will be instituted or should I say
ministry of extreme alternate view totally allowed to present
a non government official truth.

Hmmm. I think you're prescient.

Check this out:

Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
What happened at the end of "1984'.
...
Perhaps a ministry of truth will be instituted or should I say
ministry of extreme alternate view totally allowed to present
a non government official truth.

Hmmm. I think you're prescient.

Check this out:

Pentagon Quietly Explores De-Citizenship of US Citizen Terrorists

Looks like the Pentagon is the problem.
Running things with the CIA.
At the command of the Illuminati.

Same old, same old since 1945 at least.
Bush and Cheney were their lackeys for sure.
Ken Ley joined the group too late.
Whatever was that secret energy plan for America.

ED: I know from reviews the "1984" character was rewriting history
which makes me wonder why cause its already being written
in real time the way they want it. Even if Tesla's ether and free energy
exists everyone one knows the alternative Quantum Effects so there
is no ether any more.




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I wouldn't mind some controls,like on Muslim extremist websites. I don't think terrorist group websites would be covered by freedom of speech.

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
I wouldn't mind some controls,like on Muslim extremist websites. I don't think terrorist group websites would be covered by freedom of speech.

Terrorism is illegal - and already covered by law. New controls would have a much broader reach, which is of course what they want. Call it a legal right to subjective interventions.

...Broader terms would catch sites like ATS. Do you really want that?

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Now that you put it that way,nope!

Originally posted by soficrow
...Broader terms would catch sites like ATS. Do you really want that?

The early tests blocked a schools canteen website because... i cannot remember exactly. Something to do with the word teen or child being used too much.

I have no doubt that ATS will suffer blockage. I the site has 411 hits of the word Euthanasia and is a discussion board, by bye ATS.

I won't be able to bear missing my ATS.

Originally posted by SilentShadow

Originally posted by soficrow
...Broader terms would catch sites like ATS. Do you really want that?

The early tests blocked a schools canteen website because... i cannot remember exactly. Something to do with the word teen or child being used too much.

I have no doubt that ATS will suffer blockage. I the site has 411 hits of the word Euthanasia and is a discussion board, by bye ATS.

I won't be able to bear missing my ATS.

So you say the search engines are being tapped and end up at ATS too
many times.
Getting on Google is what makes the sites.
Words like Pentagon might be on a watch list cause I mentioned
"Pentagon Aliens" on twitter and the twit stalled and never got sent.

Net filters to hit social networks

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said he would consider introducing an internet ombudsman after Facebook tributes to two dead children were defaced with pornography.

Rudd said he would look into an idea put forward by Independent Senator Nick Xenophon to appoint an official who would be responsible for taking complaints and action against such material.

"We actually need to do everything we can to combat cyber crime," Rudd said.

"The role of cyber crime and internet bullying on children is, frankly, frightening and we need to be deploying all practical measures."

Original Source

Oh yay... even more things that are going to be filtered. If they are going to censor facebook... they

WILL CENSOR ATS.

The problem oh Mr Prime Minister is referring to is also against the operations of Facebook. Let Facebook deal with it (which they did).Why is it that the Australian government think they can run Facebook better than their administrators.

Thanks for the updates Silent Shadow.

Why WOULD the Australian government want to do Facebook's job for them? Sounds like they're into micromanagement, not to mention overkill and censorship.

...It's the Internet equivalent of book-burning.

Hmm. That could be the base of a really good conspiracy theory...

Originally posted by soficrow
Thanks for the updates Silent Shadow.

Why WOULD the Australian government want to do Facebook's job for them? Sounds like they're into micromanagement, not to mention overkill and censorship.

...It's the Internet equivalent of book-burning.

Hmm. That could be the base of a really good conspiracy theory...

G'day soficrow

They're doing it because Rudd is an incompetent megalomaniac.

He'll kill this country before he's finished.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Um... unfortunately im an Aussie and i LOVE this site. Ill be majorly pissed if they decide to block off ATS.

I agree with the post above. Rudds definitely going to be voted out in the next election.

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My worry is with euthanasia, safe drug taking and anti government websites and you tube videos being black listed, Soon the government’s voice will be the only one heard NOT COOL. I went to a protest in Sydney and there was only a handful of people there, so Aussies don’t really give a Sh*t. Now this law is being pushed by our LEFT government, what happens if say the Australian public votes labor out due to this issue, Rudd’s broken promises and ETS mess next election,(id bet this will happen) we will have a conservative government with a religious crazy as our PM, who will allow the same action to be taken. This is a no win situation. Best thing anyone can do is NOT VOTE as it makes absolutely no difference to any of our lives who is in power, and is an awesome way to say F*ck you to TPTB and make the most out of our current unrestricted access as its not going to last.