Communism, there is no worse destiny for mankind.

Communism wouldnt work. Humans are to greedy and individualy set that communism wouldnt suceed i would ideally love for communism to work but it's not in human nature for them to always look out for others before themselves survival of the fitest and all that.

If Capitalism was such an evil power, don’t you think they would stop all this anti Capitalism stuff? Go to any communist countries and see how long it takes them to throw you in prison for speaking badly about them.

If the capitalists don't do anything about 'anti-capitalism' stuff, would you care to explain Iran-Contra, Operation Condor or Operation Ajax?

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Communism, pure or not, has inherent defects that make it a system of downward spiral. For instance, there is no price system. There is no check and balance to see if what the collective is manufacturing or growing is filling in some empty niche, in other words, they can't possibly find out what to make and how much of it. There is no supply or demand to properly "tell" the people. This leads to waste of resources, waste of energy, and of course in the case of food: starvation and death. Ironically, socialism as a type of economy, is far from economical and therefore doomed to fail. Other instances where it falters include differing work ethics. What happens to the man who uses all of his energy compared to one who only works at 50% or 25%. Does he get more food to replenish the energy he used. No, he gets just the same as everyone else. He will work himself to death or slow down. Then less will get done. Eventually everyone will slow down. Why should they work so hard? No one else is and nothing changes if he works harder than the guy next to him. Production slows down. Crop harvests diminish. So on and so forth. Communism is a destructive ideology.

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Wow, now you start treating those who try to deny ignorance, and expose thine idiocracy, by calling us communists. wow. . . how childish.

I can hear Mc Carthy screaming from his grave.

Communism sucks actually. I can tell, I live in one of the last French cities held by a communist senator.
Since after the war, she and the mayos before her built buildings the Soviet way, to put max people in it, then named streets and squares in honor of communist people, " Stalingrad Avenue " , Lenine square " ... those ideas and ideals disgust me. Thinkig we are one big person makes me sick.
I don't want to give my child both a name and a "number".

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Originally posted by gdeed
There is only one kind of communism and it is hateful, vengeful, ugly, greedy and once your in it you never can leave unless they kill you.

Sounds a tad more like capitalism actually

I hate when people start crap like this thread using youtube videos as evidence, when they clearly know nothing about the topic at hand.

I know everything there is to know about communism. Communism enslaves people, nothing more.

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The root word of Communism is Commune. As in community, like we all work to better ourselves and mankind in general. To throw off the enslavement of corporatism and to work together for the greater good of the average person.

Communism was hijacked by the power hungry. If we were to do it the proper way it can lead to a wonderful life for everyone.

People should live in different countries so they can test out their 'beliefs'. I live in Vietnam and have spent four years here. The irony is that money becomes more important under communism/socialism. With out it you and your family will never have a better life.

Capitalism may not be the best system but it's the best we have at the moment. Communism has no middle class, you are either poor or you in the government. Western governments are DESTROYING the middle class whilst countries like India, China and Vietnam are building them.

I used to be a 'idealist' until I visited countries like Burma and North Korea, now I'm 'reformed'. Communism destroys creativity and actively discourages people from making a success of themselves.

Live it, before you preach it. Please!!! If you invest in the stock market, then YOU are part of the problem.

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Communism in its PURIST form is ideal however it's when modern communism takes hold that things begin to go awry. HOWEVER communism creates a giant totalitarian state that dominates every aspect of life and denies the ideal of individual liberty. INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY....the very basis on which this country was founded.

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Communism in its PURIST form is ideal however it's when modern communism takes hold that things begin to go awry. HOWEVER communism creates a giant totalitarian state that dominates every aspect of life and denies the ideal of individual liberty. INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY....the very basis on which this country was founded.

... and you really have individual liberty in capitalism ...

"Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life. - It means no leaders , total equality and democracy

And in which way pure communism takes your INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY ???

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... and you really have individual liberty in capitalism ...

"Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life. - It means no leaders , total equality and democracy

And in which way pure communism takes your INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY ???

In that the majority decides how you produce and what your produce.

Those that are hell-bent against communism and socialism don't really grasp the meaning behind the ideas.

Myself for instance, I enjoy my freedom of individuality, but at the same time I feel an overwhelming sense of responsibility to my community and to the common good of those around me. Does that make me a communist or a socialist? It might, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to help my neighbor when they need it. I'm not going to pass by the guy with the flat tire or the family spun out in the snow during a winter storm, that's just who I am and I expect the same of those around me.

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Yes, but you are quoting theories, ideas. Marxism is an ideology that should be put in the 'tried and failed' basket. All Party Members in Vietnam must attend the Ho Chi Minh University before they are allowed a seat at the assembly. What are they taught? Marxism and Hegelian Dialect. What is Hegelian Dialect?

Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

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Historically you could argue that communism has risen out of war ravaged and failing economic countries. Vietnam and communism is a good example. Communism would never have taken hold here if the people weren't poor and needing food. How else would the people ever had enough food unless there was some form of community organization.

Cambodia is another example. Pol Pot got into power after the war and then began his 'social experiment' to remove the intellectual class and move to an agricultural based society.


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Originally posted by gdeed

Originally posted by Phlynx
I actually like some of the ideas of communism thank you very much.

Good for you I hope you live under it. I hear it's a sell system just ask anyone who lives under it.

There's two types of Communism, the one that is forced upon the people, and the one that is chosen by the people. You should study the ideology before you start spouting nonsense.

i agree, but the one chosen by the people i would call a socialist democracy
notice however that countries which have been communist states have the highest education rates in the world
countries claim to be democratic but truth be told, capitalism is based on a hierarchy where you work a 9-5 job and get promoted, promised higher wages if you do so and so. and people fall for it, when it should be the proletariat who decide whats good for them, not be dictated by corrupt & greedy bigots.
THAT is true democracy

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Billions of people live without hope because they have been deprived of capitalism, pure and simple. All third world impoverished countries have no freedom/capitalism or they have limited inefficient state run companies that serve only the communist corrupt leaders that rule over them.



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Originally posted by harlinskee

notice however that countries which have been communist states have the highest education rates in the world

The common people have "no" education at all, but some of the lucky ones do get to hear or learn about their great leaders.

There is nothing good about communism except for their propaganda machine; it seems to work on Westerners.
Perhaps you are right about Westerner education being inferior; many spoiled rich kids are falling for communism.


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I live in a former communist state ... 90% of what exists here was built by communists. For example Ceausescu wasn't that evil as you are told, he was mad I admit, but he didn't know what was really going on in the country.

An example: there was a great food shortage, but Ceausescu didn't know about it because every time he went out party members would fill the stores around his route with food and move it from store to store. He had no idea people were starving.

Another example it took Ceausescu 3 weeks to build a passage in the center of Bucharest and no lives lost. I took Democracy 3 years and 4 lives to do the same on the outskirts.

There is no perfect way to gouvern a country beacause we are evil, stupid, lazy and greedy. Taken as an idividual we are all nice people, but as a group are are all useless.

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I live in a former communist state ... 90% of what exists here was built by communists. For example Ceausescu wasn't that evil as you are told, he was mad I admit, but he didn't know what was really going on in the country.

An example: there was a great food shortage, but Ceausescu didn't know about it because every time he went out party members would fill the stores around his route with food and move it from store to store. He had no idea people were starving.

Another example it took Ceausescu 3 weeks to build a passage in the center of Bucharest and no lives lost. I took Democracy 3 years and 4 lives to do the same on the outskirts.

There is no perfect way to gouvern a country beacause we are evil, stupid, lazy and greedy. Taken as an idividual we are all nice people, but as a group are are all useless.

The thing about Communist is that they need to kill off everyone that doesn’t get with the program, mostly the intellectuals. The funny thing is that most of the people that are for communism, while living the good life under Capitalism, are the Intellectuals. At least they end up getting what they deserve.

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i disagree, 3rd world countries in latin america are abundant with resources, but their leaders are cowards in the face of economic imperialism.
many of those countries have the ability to feed their starving population
but plutocracies such as america force the 3rd world countries into buying overpriced & unneccessary goods while exploiting them & exporting huge proportions of their natural resources that they could otherwise use to live off.
immortal tech knows how it is
i do not promote communism as a political ideology based on totalitarianism & the epitomy of a new world order, but i support the concept of socialism as a whole.

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Originally posted by harlinskee

many of those countries have the ability to feed their starving population
but plutocracies such as america force the 3rd world countries into buying overpriced & unneccessary goods while exploiting them & exporting huge proportions of their natural resources that they could otherwise use to live off.

America is blamed for everything because it is convenient for the Communist leaders to blame America. Communism doesn’t work and so who else they going to blame? Intellectuals, an "oxymoron" because I don't think they are all that smart, also blame capitalism because as we have seen capitalism doesn't fight back. Capitalism doesn't care if you use it to prosper or not. Socialism only works because it tolerates some capitalism, but socialism is on a slippery slope to communism since it’s already half-way there.

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I think we're mixing capitalism as an economic definition and democracy. Why?

Communism covers a wide range of social, political and economic aspects whereas capitalism really only covers economics.

America is a democratic republic with a capitalist economy, right? If so, then arguing that capitalism is better than communism is only arguing the economies of the two systems.

A lot of you, including the OP, are arguing that that a democracy is better than a totalitarian regime. Everyone will agree with you on that. What I don't agree with you on is you lumping communist economic ideals with communist social ideals.

I love having options in the supermarket. I hate knowing the top 5% of earners in the country make more than the lower 95% combined! I like affordable products. I don't like human cost at which they're produced.

Think about which argument you're having before you have it.