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Choice, measurement, Schrodinger's cat and information

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posted on Nov, 17 2009 @ 03:05 PM
I think information solves the riddle of Schrodinger's cat but the answer poses more questions.

Schrodinger's cat is not in a state of superposition because of decoherence. Information about the state of the cat gets entangled with the enviroment before the observer opens the box. So nature will cause the state of the cat to decohere into a live cat or dead cat. This occurs because the cat is a macroscopic vs microscopic. It's easier for big objects to become entangled with the enviroment vs smaller objects like subatomic particles that can stay in a state of superposition.

This raises more questions because you can't connect decoherence to choice. So the observer makes a choice to open the box. Maybe he calls his wife first or he eats lunch before he opens the box. The choice of the observer is seperate from natures measurement through decoherence.

This shows a seperation between the body and the mind. We know for instance we can put a fullerene in a state of superposition. We also see this with photosynthesis.

They were trying to establish exactly how organic photosynthesis approaches 95% efficiency, whereas the most sophisticated human solar cells operate at only half that. What they discovered is nothing short of remarkable. Using femtosecond lasers to follow the movement of light energy through a photosynthetic bacterial cell, Engel et al. observed the energy traveling along every possible direction at the same time. Instead of following a single trajectory like the electrons on a silicon chip, the energy in photosynthesis explores all of its options and collapses the quantum process only after the fact, retroactively “deciding” upon the most efficient pathway.

So your consciousness is seperate from your material body. Your material body takes all paths and then instinct is the efficient path but we have a conscious that can make a different choice.

For instance, look at sociopaths. They are successful because they operate on instinct without conscious. They can blend in as politicians, on Wall Street or in the community.

So instinct may say have everyone take mandatory physicals every year when they turn 50 and if they are sick kill them. This will control populations and save on healthcare.

A person with a conscious like myself will say, that's absurd because a person at age 50 has a right to life just like a person who's 20 years old.

So I think you have this difference between choice and measurement, body and mind or insinct and consciousness.

Consciousness has to exist outside of the material body.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by Matrix Rising]

posted on Nov, 17 2009 @ 04:04 PM
Quantum nonlocality is a paradox that was described first by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen (EPR), who published the idea in 1935. The EPR paradox draws attention to a phenomenon predicted by quantum mechanics known as quantum entanglement, in which measurements on spatially separated quantum systems can instantaneously influence one another. As a result, quantum mechanics violates a principle formulated by Einstein, known as the principle of locality or local realism, which states that changes performed on one physical system should have no immediate effect on another spatially separated system.

Our "local realistic" view of the world assumes that phenomena are separated by time and space and that no influence can travel faster than the speed of light. Quantum nonlocality proves that these assumptions are incorrect, and that there is a principle of holistic interconnectedness operating at the quantum level which contradicts the localistic assumptions of classical, Newtonian physics.


Note: Quantum nonlocality does not prove that "signals" travel "faster than light." Rather, it shows that at a deep level of reality the speed of light as a limiting factor is irrelevant because phenomena are instantaneously connected regardless of distance.

The Hows and Whys of Nonlocality
At the quantum level, "particles" do not possess definite, deterministic qualities until they are measured:

Explained in more detail at the link.

posted on Nov, 17 2009 @ 04:18 PM
Horizon Much?

Interesting points, so subconcious is our use of quantam physics, is this why we can unknowingly sense when a loved one is in danger without the restrictions of speed of light travel?

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