Where is your proof about Obama?!?!?!?!

Ok I am sick and tired of everyone saying they hate Obama and not providing any proof to back up their claims. I am an avid Obama supporter, but yet there are things that he has done and probably will do that I will disagree with. I.e. closing Gitmo. But all I’m hearing as of late is oh he’s a Muslim, not American, wants a Socialist government, wants a Communist government, Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah…….. The man is doing the best he can with the hand he was dealt. Lets examine some of the claims I have seen.

1) Muslim – Ok he lived in Kenya for a while, big deal. If he was Muslim he is no longer. He has stated on many an occasion that he is Christian. And if he is Muslim what’s the big deal? Like Christianity it’s a religion. Are you people so ignorant that you really hate all Muslims for the actions of a few. Should I run down a list of a few infamous Christians for you: Timothy McVey, Uni-Bomber, Hitler, KKK….. The list goes on and on.
2) Not American – Now this one I find funny the so called “birther movement”. These people want Obama to show above and beyond what any other prez has had to show. Even then it’s not enough. Why should he have to be different then any other prez. Why should he have to show the long form of his BC. To placate you? Give me a break. What other proof do you have. Oh yah I forgot the picture of him in school over there. While yes he admitted to not only living in Kenya but attending school there that no more makes him a citizen of Kenya then me a citizen of Italy because I lived there for a year.
3) Socialist/Communist – First off there is no way the American people would allow this to become a true socialist country. No matter how well liked Obama is he will only be president for max of 8yrs. Second, it seems to me that the only so called proof that Obama wants this to be a Socialistic/ Communist country is his healthcare bill, and with some others the fact that he bailed out some companies. (Which Bush started and I did not agree with then as well as now) I’m not even going to address the Communist part because I find that completely absurd. I can understand where some people are coming from with the Socialist part but lets take a look at some facts. The bailouts started by Bush we thrown together hap-hazardly, no real thought put into them. Basically it was (and if I’m wrong please correct me by showing proof) here AIG take these billions of dollars and do with it what you want just promise to pay us back. With Obama it was a bit more thought out but still could have been much better. It was here you go banks take this money and no as you please but until you pay it back we (the government) will have the controlling interest in your organization. This is not Socialism, I look at this as a very good incentive for these banks/firms that are “to big to fail” to pay this money back ASAP. Now it is also my understanding that Obama wants the corporations to restructure so that “to big to fail” is no longer the case. Once again people scream Socialism. That is not Socialism that is looking out for not only the American way of life but the world as a whole. We (America) started this GLOBAL recession. Bush put the final nail in the coffin with deregulating wall street.

So for those of you that disagree with me (and I know there are many) All I ask is that you show proof. Stop believing everything you hear and do your own research.

Originally posted by jmotley
Ok I am sick and tired of everyone saying they hate Obama and not providing any proof to back up their claims.

Uhm....I hate Obama. That is 100% undeniable proof that I hate Obama. I BROKE THE NEWS FIRST! If you need it in my actual writing just U2U me and I'd be glad to email you a pic of me holding up a sign saying "I hate Obama."

PS. Sorry, had to be a smart ass. Plus hate is a strong word. I generally dislike him I guess. OMG two different stories?! You better do some research to see why I flipflopped.

I once thought that I hated Obama. I don't now. He will prove who he is and what he's up to without my making any sort of judgments towards or against him. I am waiting and watching; so far my assumptions were accurate.

as for his citizenship it's not so easy mainly because ... the man has never not once commented on it for himself. the religion part is a little easier, as they say the proof is in the puddin...

Ramadan

Passover

Christianity

Bible

and for those who need that little extra

Usama explains Osama

the socialist part was gona happen anyway he just happens to agree with it

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if you do a search in the ATS forums - you can see these very topics covered, ad nauseum, for the last few years, let alone in the MSM.


It's a battle that common sense and intelligent thought will never win.

Because the moronic masses have bit...and they like the bloody taste of it.

It doesn't have to be TRUE - in order for them to believe that it is

It's best to leave the knuckle draggers to their fun and move on.

Let them hide in their dark corners screaming about how obama is a nazi (Snip)

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Now I am not happy with the President of the United States of America. I will not comment on his religion, nor will I go into the birther part, because as much as people hate to hear this, he is a citizen of the US, his mother gave birth to him, and she was, so he is. But the last part I will debate you on. According to his words during the election: Judge me by the company I keep. So that is what many people are doing right now. Now you want to know how we come to the idea of him being a communist/socialitist? Lets look at the people who have influenced him:
1) Reverend Wright. I am sorry to say this, but if you think the American people buy the fact he was not aware of what the minister was saying, then you are sadly mistaken. So what exactly did he do for all of those years while attending services that the Reverand Jeramiha Wright was giving?
2) Van Jones: A self proclaimed communist.
3) Anita Dunn: You remember her, after all she did state: The 2 people whose I admire the most, MAO, and Mother Theresa for their political views
and who admitted to controling the media during the election.
4) Carol Browner, a member of the Socialist Party.
5) John Holdren, Science advisor, who thinks that population control should be implimented.
6) Cass Sunstein, regulatory advisor, who thinks we should ban hunting and fishing.
7) Mark Lloyd, Diversity officer at the FCC, who admires Hugo Chavez.
8) Acorn: Voting Fraud, suggesting tax evasion, illegale activities, and immoral activities.
9) SEIU: Union, the head of SEIU, Embezzeled money from ACORN, and then they covered it up.
10) Vivek Kundra, Federal Chief Information Officer, was investigated for bribery and fraud.
11) John Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, supports the policy of Extrodinary Rendition.
12) Adolfo Carrion Jr., White House Director of Urban Affairs, used his office and position while in New York to make numerous developers made tens of thousands of dollars in campaign donations to Carrión around the same time he was considering approving their projects in the Bronx.
13) Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to President Obama. She introduced Barak Obama to the different advisors, is part owner of a slum in Chicago, and connections to the Chicago Politcal.
14) Tom Matzzie, CEO of Accountable America. During the presidentail campain, threatened to take anyone to court if they displayed publically or on the airwaves anything derogatory about Barak Obama.
And all of the Non Senate approved advisors, all of them, made large financial contributions to the Obama Campaign.
So, based off of those people you have a president who is in contact with: Socialist, extremist, criminal elements and communist.

Easy, my proof is that he didn't pull out the troops as promised. The bail outs, and the fact that he is pushing this health care bill despite the opposition of the people, which shows he could care less about what the people think. There are a lot of little things too that all add up. For the record I equally hate Bush, and the more I learn about what he did in office that wasn't common knowledge the more my feeling increase. Just thought I would add that to avoid any accusations about being racist or a right winger.

I won't address points 1 and 2. I however have a serious problem with your post #3.

Look at his health care bill - how its ideals are dripping with socialism. Look at his speeches to Acorn in Chicago where he talks about bringing about a a socialist order in America. Look at the mans admitted mentors and heroes - all Marxist and socialist leaders whom Obama claims he studied and learned from.

I am not saying he is a communist - but socialist yes this is very plain to anyone who understands what Socialism is and then compares that to Obama and the things he does (Bills, Laws he has proposed and the way he has voted) and the things he has said.

And Socialism is very close to and one step away from Communism.

You claim this country can never become a socialist country because the people won't stand for it. This is silly when you consider this country has already been twisted into another form of government under the peoples noses once already and no one saw it coming or was able to stop it.

This happened in the 20th century. You probably agree with this form of government yourself - sadly most Americans do. Our founding fathers were dead set against this form of government so much that they publicly stated this form of government was Evil and could never work for America and they were Not going to stand for it in government. What is this evil form of government called? It is called Democracy.

Children grow up today thinking they are living in a democracy because that is the spin the government has put in our textbooks for children to learn. We see on the news people like President Bush saying he wants to bring democracy to all of the world! Did anyone bother to tell the president we do not have a democracy in this country but we have a republic?? No.. even though this is true. For those of us who know the truth Bush made himself look like the most foolish president we ever had because he doesn't even know what type of government he is running!!! If it wouldn't be so tragic it would be very funny.

The system of government set up for us by our founding fathers was a Republic not a democracy. Yet over the last 100 years corrupt politicians and Big Business has turned us into a democracy against the peoples will and against the U.S. Constitution. Why have they done this? Because it is easier to be corrupt in a democracy than it is in a true republic that has checks and balances in place that work to protect the people. Oh we still have those checks and balances in place but because the corrupt politicians were able to make new laws to skirt them, they have become of non effect. The American people are partly to blame for letting this happen because we have not demanded proper oversight. We have this feeling in the country that Our Government Know Best and all the while they have usurped the power of the people and taken away our liberty and rights and freedoms.

If this National Health Care bill passes in the Senate and becomes law this will be the first major step toward them changing our government once again to that of a Socialist government. If people don't wake up to it NOW, yes it will happen.. and no one will lift a finger to stop it. Can this happen, oh yes you better believe it, right under our noses.




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I dislike just about all politicians but Obama seems to have stirred up a lot of crazies, almost more than Bush did during all eight years. Part of it is because people in America actually think Republican and Democrat exist, they buy into a false right-left paradigm when really all that exists is Have and have not, people controlling other people. People are so hopelessly asleep, so buried beneath layers of mindless programming that they actually defend their parties and the leaders of those parties to such irrational and maddening degrees that it threatens the stability of the nation as a whole.

Obama works for the same guys Bush did. So the dislike is both - Republicans and other zombies who still believe in the 2 party system and those like me who see through the whole thing for the illusion it is.

Obama is a bad actor - you can tell from a mile away he is being controlled and scripted. When he has to go it alone and adlib, he fails miserably. When it comes to oratory skills and ideology, MLK puts him to shame.

You want proof? Here you go...sans notes and teleprompter:

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I run with the crowd that hates Obama for what he is. The birther thing is a riot and the Muslim angle I think is just as funny. But I hate him because of him being such a liar above and beyond the political norm! Lets see I lost my employment because of his [like most democrats] stance on national defense. Cut back time! The communist and socialist thing fits with Obama. Chicago was the hotspot of communism in the US. They also are tied to the labor unions. He gives the UAW controlling interest in the auto companies that accepted "government money" or if you prefer the bail out. Unions like the UAW are no longer like they once were. They have created a industry that no longer serves it's original purpose to help the workers. Now they exist by bleeding off money from their workers. I ask you who looks out for the workers interest now? The UAW now runs 2 auto companies and they are now at the other end of the negotiation table. Thanks for the support ? Obama fed people a lot of bull and they ate it up yum! But hey as a Obama supporter you should not be surprised at what people believe since some of what was said about Bush was worse and I bet you believe it with all your heart

Been reading here for some time, but this is my first post/

I don't really hate Obama...I just don't trust him.

Here are just a few of the lies from his campaign:

Eliminate all income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 per year

Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009

Recognize the Armenian genocide

Provide a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs

Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials

Five days of review and comment before signing bills

Lobbyists won’t work in my White House...


These are just a few of the lies...plus he is just so smug when he speaks. (Which is quite often)

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Well there have been some really good points made here for not liking Obama, and just a few more lies I would point out are,

1- the fact that he promised that no person making less that 250,000 a year would see any new tax yet here we are about to get a new shiny carbon tax slapped on us.

2 - He said that he would end illegal wire tapping, and the very unconstitutional Patriot Act yet he not only recommissioned it, but expanded it.

I mean I could go on, but what I would really like to know is what the Obama supporters have to say. What has Obama done, or even attempted to do for this country?

Originally posted by calstorm
Easy, my proof is that he didn't pull out the troops as promised.

Not pulling the troops out. Are you serious? Your upset because he didnt just say ok come home. After the way Bush totally screwed this operation it would be even worse if Obama just pulled out the troops. That would give the taliban and Al-Qiada excatly what they want. With us gone they can easily move back in and take it over all over again. Then spread the word that America abandoned them and to join them for their Ji-had. No not a great soultion there.

The bail outs, and the fact that he is pushing this health care bill despite the opposition of the people, which shows he could care less about what the people think.

As I mentioned in my post the bailouts were started by Bush. Do I think the bailouts could have been handled better by both men, HELL TO THE &*^%$ YES. In my opinion they should have not been done in the first place. But you fail to show how that adds up to any of the things I stated in my post. Many presidents have made some pretty unfavorable decsions. They are there to run the country not appeal to everyones wishes. Despite what you may have heard you can look the polls up and as of today actually over half the population said they agree with the health care obama is pushing. According to Rasmussen polls 45% CBS is saying 60% even avarging that out you get over 50%. (I only looked for polls done within the Month of November) So I would actually sy it seems he is doing what the country wants.

There are a lot of little things too that all add up.

Like what?

I do not care about obama, but he is the american president, so that makes him a murderer, and figurehead for all your countries crimes. (plus for the secret service loons, this is true, and i not causing any trouble saying this, and does not mean i ever want to go to your country, this is called ranting).

Being american president he will get all this, for what his country does, same as any other leader. We hated bush too, and clinton before him, just for what your country was doing, not the people, although bush was a beast of a human.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Look at his health care bill - how its ideals are dripping with socialism.

Socialism -
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

There are some key words here. This Public option is not a government takover of health care. There will still be insurence companies. If they want to stay in busniess then they will just have to change the way they do bussniess. I can also see how this could be put to the bailouts also. One thing we have to remember is that these big companies asked no change that begged for the government to step in and give them money. Now while yes the government has a controlling intrest in these compaines it only has it until the money is paid back. and i sure dont see them ditrubuiting any goods around to the population.

Look at his speeches to Acorn in Chicago where he talks about bringing about a a socialist order in America. Look at the mans admitted mentors and heroes - all Marxist and socialist leaders whom Obama claims he studied and learned from.

I can not argue this point because I know nothing about the matter. I would be helpfull if you provided links.

I am not saying he is a communist - but socialist yes this is very plain to anyone who understands what Socialism is and then compares that to Obama and the things he does (Bills, Laws he has proposed and the way he has voted) and the things he has said.

Besides the health care, what bills, laws he proposed that show a Socialist agenda.

And Socialism is very close to and one step away from Communism.

Its also the next step from capitalism

You claim this country can never become a socialist country because the people won't stand for it. This is silly when you consider this country has already been twisted into another form of government under the peoples noses once already and no one saw it coming or was able to stop it.

This happened in the 20th century. You probably agree with this form of government yourself - sadly most Americans do. Our founding fathers were dead set against this form of government so much that they publicly stated this form of government was Evil and could never work for America and they were Not going to stand for it in government. What is this evil form of government called? It is called Democracy.

Children grow up today thinking they are living in a democracy because that is the spin the government has put in our textbooks for children to learn. We see on the news people like President Bush saying he wants to bring democracy to all of the world! Did anyone bother to tell the president we do not have a democracy in this country but we have a republic?? No.. even though this is true. For those of us who know the truth Bush made himself look like the most foolish president we ever had because he doesn't even know what type of government he is running!!! If it wouldn't be so tragic it would be very funny.

The system of government set up for us by our founding fathers was a Republic not a democracy. Yet over the last 100 years corrupt politicians and Big Business has turned us into a democracy against the peoples will and against the U.S. Constitution. Why have they done this? Because it is easier to be corrupt in a democracy than it is in a true republic that has checks and balances in place that work to protect the people. Oh we still have those checks and balances in place but because the corrupt politicians were able to make new laws to skirt them, they have become of non effect. The American people are partly to blame for letting this happen because we have not demanded proper oversight. We have this feeling in the country that Our Government Know Best and all the while they have usurped the power of the people and taken away our liberty and rights and freedoms.

I can agree with most of this statment. Our forefathers actually set up a demicratic republic. If this was a true democracy then we would make the laws not the politicans. You are the first person besides my american history teacher to know what our fore fathers said about democorcy.

I don't trust Muslims, and I don't trust foreigners. So Obama has no chance with me.

Proof???? I also believe in ghosts and UFO's and I don't have proof of that either.

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That has to be the most honest answer I ever heard to any question Just with this site we can keep the aluminum foil companies going strong! Unless someone has a cheaper alternative to aluminum for my hat!

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facts? like numbers?

1. 10.2% = unemployment in America (even higher if you count the under employed and those that have stopped looking)

2. $1.75 Trillion = the largest and most unsustainable deficit in our nation's history. "oh but it was necessary to save us from the abyss!" please refer back to #1.

3. 51 = the death toll in October 2009, Afghanistan. The deadliest month in the War's history. Obama spent the entire month putting off the decision to either follow his commander's reccomendations to curb the violence or not.

4. $999,999,999.99 = the amount obama said he wouldn't sign a healthcare bill that cost more. he's currently poised to accept a billion hundreds of billions more than that.

And if numbers aren't enough how about some quotes? I am a republican, but do not believe obama is a socialist. infact, i wished him well at the beginning of his term when many of my friends did not. I sincerely had hope for him. Since that time obama has said:

1. me, my party and my representative i put into office need to shut up, stop talking, and get out of the way, while he cleans up their mess.

2. democrat's think for themselves. I and my republican friends just kinda "do what we're told"

In conclusion, you don't have to be a muslim, anti-american communist to absolutely SUCK at your job. And obama sure does suck.

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Also, my friend, do not forget that some simply hate him based on policies. in our country, thats ok and healthy. obama simply stands for a lot of ideas like carbon taxes, universal healthcare, etc, that lots of people disagree with.

Plenty of my liberal friends hated bush for cutting taxes for the wealthy and attempting to privatize social security. you don't need proof for that kind of hate. but that doesn't make it any less valid of a feeling.