Iran warns Russia.................

Moscow, which is under Western pressure to distance itself from Tehran, has not followed through on proposals to supply high-grade S300 air defense missiles to the Islamic state.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton praised Russia last month for failing to provide the arms to Iran, which is at odds with the West over its nuclear and missile program.

Reuters

It seems Iran is getting nervous over threats to it's nuclear bomb program.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
A post here at ATS about Iran working on a nuclear bomb trigger-for their power generating program, you understand.

It also seems that Iran fears it cannot stop an Israeli attack with out the russian weapons.

Unfortunately for Iran, this gives Israel a green light to attack.

Unfortunately for Iran, it also puts much more pressure on Israel to stop Iran nuclear weapons program before they get Russian weapons.

This also has roots with US- Russian deals.....
The US cancelled plans for poland base of missile defense and Russia delays/stops sale of weapons to Iran.

If i was russia, i would be careful about believing usa, over those bases.

They do what they want, but you should never take the word of out and out murderers, like what russia is dealing with there.

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They can check with men on ground as well as sat. images-thats just too easy.

As for your personal attack on the US-it is completely off topic, please stay on topic or post elsewhere.

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I hope Russia stays strong on not supporting Iran during any war with Israel or the west.

Andy I would gladly buy you a one way ticket so you can live in Iran. Why don't you try living your "lifestyle" there, and then come back and tell me who the murderers are. Oh yeah, you will not be able to come back because the Iranain government executes people for those sorts of things.



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Seems like there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes right now regarding Iran. I'm worried that something will happen soon.

The Israelis are crazy enough to do it...

Russia will be the trigger for the war on Iran. Mark my words. If you look at information from other sources than the MSM, you could discover very interesting aspects to the madness that is being displayed ...

Also reported here;

www.kyivpost.com...


Medvedov has certainly shown more distance than Putin formerly did.
Obamas decision to scrap the Polish shield has undoubtedly enabled Russia to show a shift of tacs.
Looks like Iran is getting very nervous-and has always relied on Russia as a close Ally.
Medvedov is at last starting to come out of the shadows of Putin-and its not before time.

But when the israelis do attack you have to take into account that the busheshr nuke facility was built by russians, and still has russians staffing there, putin will not be happy if his citizens get whacked by the israeli air force.

I seem to remember that the rusians said that they went to war with georgians last year, beuase they said that they had to protect their citizens.could be a very complicated scenario.

I feel bad for them, nothing is going right.
us are stopping them from protecting themselves.
imagine if a nuclear bomb went off, the innocent people killed for their selfish pusruit of domination.

This is going to be a situation what requires the utmost caution. Russia and Iran have been allied for a long time, because Iran has Oil that Russia wants. But where Russia is much more vocal, I would be curious as to what the take from the point of China is. China is another ally of Iran, as they get oil from the Iranians as well. So this has to be approached with caution. I do not believe that Russia is going to let Iran be without means of protection and will try to work to where it is a win win in their favor, rather than the rest of the world.

Bah it's easily solved, Russia attacks Iran after pulling thier poeple out. Then then take over Iran with the 'help' of China. Oh look it's the Russian/Chinese version of Iraq. All in the name of saving the world from the evil dictators. Making themselves look like heros. In the way that America did when they first went into Afgan. I just hope they have the smarts to pull out after installing a puppet dictatorship of thier own and not make it into another Tibet/Iraq/Afgan/Georgia.

The Israeli PM went to Russia last month to work out a strategic agreement regarding the protection of Russian personnel working on Iran's secretive nuclear projects.

Russia love selling their outdated dysfunctional equipment and stale technologies to Iran, but don't want a nuclear weaponized power on their doorstep run by hair-trigger religious fanatics.

Iran has revv up it's rhetoric to cover their basic vulnerability. The US on their doorstep, Israel pissed off with their constant threats and funding of proxies wanting to destroy Israel. The Saudis see them as a threat to their hegemony. The Russians are fairweather friends.

Iran's economy is in the crapper with it's adventurism. The people have had enough of the sputtering 30 year Islamic Revolution.

Will the Revolutionary Guard take full control and out the mullahs completely? Has it already happened? Is there a mindset to go out in a suicidal blaze of glory?

Big concerns for th entire world.

Good post and raises some real points to think of.

* Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
* The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
* The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
* Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
* Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
* Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.
* The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
* In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
* Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
* The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.


1953 - CIA backed coup overthrows Democratic Iranian Government. Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.

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1953 - 1979 - The US supports the Shah of Iran. A brutal dictator. The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed. Israel also supports the Shah.

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1965 - Present - The PBS documentary series "Frontline", reported, in October 2007, CIA supports Anti-Iranian organizations such as the People's Mujahedin of Iran (also known as the MEK or MKO) which has been involved in terrorist activities within Iran. Iran has demanded that the US stop supporting the MEK in exchange for stopping its support of Shiite's in Iraq

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1980-1988 - Iran is invaded. USA support aggressor(Saddam Hussein)

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1988 - Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by US navy.

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1995 - In April 1995 a total embargo on dealings with Iran by U.S. companies was imposed by U.S. president Clinton. Trade with the U.S., which had been growing following the end of the Iran–Iraq War, ended abruptly. The next year the American Congress passed the Iran-Libya Sanctions act which threatened even non-U.S. countries making large investments in energy. The act was denounced by the European Union as null and void, but blocked some investment for Iran nonetheless.

Under ILSA, all foreign companies that provide investments over $20 million for the development of petroleum resources in Iran will be imposed two out of seven possible sanctions, by the U.S.

* denial of Export-Import Bank assistance;
* denial of export licenses for exports to the violating company;
* prohibition on loans or credits from U.S. financial institutions of over $10 million in any 12-month period;
* prohibition on designation as a primary dealer for U.S. government debt instruments;
* prohibition on serving as an agent of the United States or as a repository for U.S. government funds;
* denial of U.S. government procurement opportunities (consistent with WTO obligations); and
* a ban on all or some imports of the violating company.

The European Union has been critical of most of the U.S. trade sanctions against Iran. Some EU Member States have criticized ILSA as a “double standard” in U.S. foreign policy, in which the United States fiercely worked against the Arab League boycott of Israel while at the same time promoted a worldwide boycott of Iran. The EU Member States threatened formal counter-action in the World Trade Organization.

1995 - US imposes sanction that bans aviation companies from selling aircraft and repair parts to Iranian airlines directly. The U.S. denies aircraft manufacturer Boeing the freedom to sell aircraft to Iranian aviation companies. The International Civil Aviation Organization warned that U.S. sanctions against Iran were placing civilian lives in danger by denying Iranian aviation necessary spare parts for aircraft repair.

1998 - India and Pakistan - Irans neighbours - are given nukes.

2002 - The United States puts Iran in the Axis of Evil

2003 - America invades 2 countries on Irans borders.

2003 - Before invading Iraq, the Bush administration reportedly received a fax from the Iranian government, containing overtures to the United States. With the help of the American Iranian Council, Iran purportedly made a secret proposal for a "grand bargain", which would have resolved outstanding issues between the U.S. and Iran, including Iran's support for terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah and its nuclear program. The document came shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq and Bush administration officials, including Richard Armitage, thought the Khatami government and the Swiss ambassador in Tehran were "promising more than it could deliver". Others, such as Vali Nasr and Gary Sick consider it a missed opportunity. The fax never received a reply and there continued to be no official relations between the two countries. According to Trita Parsi, author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States, Lawrence Wilkerson, former secretary of state Colin Powell's chief of staff, told him "it was Cheney and Rumsfeld who made sure that Washington dismissed Iran's May 2003 offer to open up its nuclear program, rein in Hezbollah and cooperate against al-Qaeda."

2003 - Present - US planes and drones violate Iranian airspace, continuously.

2003 - Present - Israel calls for Iran to be bombed.

2003 - Present - CIA support and fund various terrorist and guerilla groups within Iran. Including the Jundullah. According to ABC news, citing U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources, U.S. officials have been encouraging and advising the Jundullah, they are responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran. The Jundullah militants "stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera"

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2003 - Iran tries to initiate a rapprochement with Israel by recognizing its existence in a proposal to the United States. The report claims that Iran's peace proposal with Israel was not accepted by the United States.

2003 - US supports Mujahideen e-Khalq and the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan to carry out provocations such as bombings on Iranian territory in order to provoke pre-existing ethnic tensions.

2005 - U.S. State Department allegedly refused to issue visas for Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mousa Qorbani, and a group of senior Iranian officials to travel to US to participate in an International parliamentary meeting held by the United Nations. According to UN rules, US has to grant visas to the senior officials from any UN member states, irrespective of their political views, to take part in UN meetings

2005 - Scott Ritter, former UN weapons of mass destruction inspector in Iraq, 1991–1998, claimed in April 2005 that the Pentagon was told in June 2005 to be prepared to launch a massive aerial attack against Iran in order to destroy the Iranian nuclear program. He claimed in June 2005 that the US military was preparing a "massive military presence" in Azerbaijan that would foretell a major land-based campaign designed to capture Tehran. He also claimed that the US attack on Iran had "already begun"

2005 - Another former CIA official, Ellen Laipson, said that "the Iranian fear of an attack by the United States has long been 'a standard element' in NIEs on Iran." In 2005, the United States passed the Iran Freedom and Support Act, which appropriated millions of dollars for human rights NGOs working in that country. Several politicians in both countries have claimed the Act is a "stepping stone to war,".

2006 - On November 2006, Ahmadinejad wrote an open letter to the American people,[91] representing some of his anxieties and concerns. He stated that there is an urgency to have a dialog because of the activities of the US administration in the Middle East, and that the US is concealing the truth about current realities.

2007 - The US armed forces raided the Iranian Consulate General located in Erbil, Iraq and arrested five staff members. Sources said that the US forces first landed their helicopters around the building, then broke through the consulate’s gate, disarmed the guards, confiscated some documents and certain objects, arrested five staff members, and then left for an undisclosed location. People living in the neighborhood were told they could not leave their homes. Three people who left their homes were arrested, and a wife of one of these men confirmed to reporters that the US forces arrested and took her husband away for leaving the house.

Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Mikhail Kamynin said that the raid was absolutely unacceptable and was a violation of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. The Kurdistan Regional Government also expressed their shock and disapproval of the raid.

2007 - President Karzai of Afghanistan has argued that Iran is "a helper and a solution" for Afghanistan while Prime Minister Maliki of Iraq has argued that Iran has a "positive and constructive" role in helping the Iraqi government improve security in his wartorn nation.

2007 - In November 9, 2007, American forces in Iraq released two Iranian diplomats after 305 days as well as 7 other Iranian citizens. The two Iranian officials were captured in "2007 US raids Iran Consulate General". The other seven Iranians being freed had been picked up in different parts of the country and held for periods ranging between three months and three years. Here is the list of those who were released:

* Mousa Chegini
* Hamid Reza Askari
* Adel Moradi
* Mohammad Ali Ahmadi
* Ebrahim Mowlaei
* Raed Saeedi
* Azam Karami
* Habib Ghorbani
* Mohammad Jafar Makki Mohammad

"The release followed a careful review of individual records to determine if they posed a security threat to Iraq, and if their detention was of continued intelligence value," the American officials said in a statement.

11 Iranian diplomats and citizens are still kept by American forces.

2008 - Israel requested help from the United States for a military attack against Iran. Israel reportedly asked for bunker-busting bombs for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex and for permission to fly over Iraq to reach Iran's major nuclear complex at Natanz. The Bush adminstration rejected the requests. The Bush administration did agree to sell a thousand GBU-39 standoff bunker penetrating bombs to Israel, but a strike against Natanz would require hundreds of these bombs.

2008 - Vice President Mashaei proclaimed Iran "wants no war with any country," insisting that Iran's actions during the Iran-Iraq War were purely defensive.

2008 - Israel conducted a major military exercise that American officials speculated might be training for a bombing attack on Iran. A senior Pentagon official said one of the goals of the exercise was to send a clear message to the United States and other countries that Israel was prepared to act militarily: “They wanted us to know, they wanted the Europeans to know, and they wanted the Iranians to know,” the Pentagon official said. “There’s a lot of signaling going on at different levels.”

2008 - The U.S. has escalated its covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources.[124] The president sought up to four hundred million dollars for these covert military operations, which were described in a secret Presidential Finding and are designed to destabilize Iran's religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since 2007. But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which involve the Central Intelligence Agency and the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), have been significantly expanded in 2008.

2009 - Army General David Petraeus said “the Israeli government may ultimately see itself so threatened by the prospect of an Iranian nuclear weapon that it would take preemptive military action to derail or delay it.

2009 - Iran's president says he is willing to build a new relationship with America, and is preparing proposals aimed at breaking the impasse over his country's nuclear programme.

Ahmadinejad said ' circumstances have changed' - an apparent reference to Mr Obama's election and Iran's progress in its nuclear programme.

He told the crowd: 'Today we are preparing a new package. Once it becomes ready, we will present that package (to you),' the president said. 'It is a package that constitutes peace and justice throughout the globe and also respects other nations' rights.'

2009 - The Russian foreign minister says threatening Iran with new sanctions over its nuclear activities will only prove 'counterproductive'.

2009 - The Pentagon is speeding up delivery of a colossal bomb designed to destroy hidden weapons bunkers buried underground and shielded by 10,000 pounds of reinforced concrete.

Pentagon officials acknowledge that the new bomb is intended to blow up fortified sites like those used by Iran and North Korea for their nuclear programs, but they deny there is a specific target in mind.

Other fun facts;

- The Iranian constitution states that Jews are equal to Muslims.

- Iran has the largest number of Jewish residents outside of Israel

- Teheran has 11 synagogues, many of these with Hebrew schools.

- There are over 25 synagogues in Iran.

-Allegations made by the U.S. State Department of Jews beeing discriminated against in Iran have been condemned by Iranian Jews. The Association of Tehrani Jews said in a statement, "We Iranian Jews condemn claims of the US State Department on Iranian religious minorities, announced that we are fully free to perform our religious duties and we feel no restriction on performing our religious rituals."

-In July 2007 Iran's Jewish community rejected financial emigration incentives to leave Iran. Offers ranging from 5,000-30,000 British pounds, financed by a wealthy expatriate Jew with the support of the Israeli government, were turned down by Iran's Jewish leaders.

- Iran has never threatened to wipe Israel off the map. That is a misquotation spread by the zionist media. Ahmedinejad stated that "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Two clearly different statements.

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Is it any wonder Iran wants nukes? It's a shame that Russia seem to be bowing to Washingtons tyranical agenda.

Iran says if Russia does not supply the missiles it will build its own;

english.pravda.ru...

Maybe this is why we are chummy with russia again. Iran ticks off our "friend"
now we have even more excuses to attack.

Originally posted by martin3030
Iran says if Russia does not supply the missiles it will build its own;

Good luck



S-300 was a culmination of decades of focused Soviet effort, and while being of vintage status, still remains a potent system. You can't reproduce a work of art on a whim.

What is happening between Russia and Iran is a long aticipated turning point.

While Russia benefits from turmoil and threats of war in the Middle East, that always translate to better prices for their vast oil reserves, Russia has a lot of reticence for a fully militarized and nuclear weopon capable Iran.

The Russians have been pleased to sell of their out-dated technologies and sub-standard quality weaponry to Iran, along with expertise. But they realize an empowered Iran also represents a competitor and potential enemy in close proximity to their border.

So Russia has played a cat-and-mouse game with the West flirting with Iran and seeming to be in bed with them. But Iran has played a very undiplomatic game of taunting Israel, subversive empire building by funding proxies in Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza and elsewhere. They are perceived as a threat to the Saudi enclave of Sunni-dominated regimes that control most of the region economically. Iran has isolated itself as a pariah state, promoting terrorism, interfering with sovereign states, alienating most of the Middle East, threatening to spark a regional war with Israel as their chosen opponent.

Russia will slowly withdraw it's technological support for Iran, who it does not want to see reach the level of military and nuclear potency it's gearing itself for. Their feelings are the same with also adjacent Pakistan.

How Iran will respond to this is anyone's guess. The Mullahs have quietly been overtaken by their Revolutionary Guard as primary controllers of foreign policies. Will they cool the rhetoric and antagonism of Israel and the West or crank it up? It looks right now as if they're itching for a fight.


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