Meet the Senators in the Creepy Right-Wing Cult Trying to Defeat Health Care Reform

reply to post by AnnieNakki

I don't know what polls you are reading...made up ones by faux news probably because the ones I read on the AP and the like say most favor a public option.

reply to post by grover


I personally can't wait till the states pull out their Ace in the hole, and call Sovereignty by 10th ammendment rights to pervent the bill in their states, and opt to take care of their own. I do believe this will happen. A LOT.

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MSNBC:
That’s especially true on the issue of health care reform. As Congress works on its legislation and as Obama campaigns to get an overhaul enacted, 42 percent now say that the president’s plan is a bad idea, which is a 10-point increase since last month. Thirty-six percent say it’s a good idea.

In addition, 39 percent — a plurality — believe that Obama’s plan would result in the quality of their health care getting worse. That’s 15-point jump since April.

And just 41 percent approve of the president’s job on health care, which is nearly identical to Bill Clinton’s scores from 1994, when he failed to get Congress to pass health care reform.
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Rassmussen:
Now that the Senate Finance Committee has passed its version of health care reform, 42% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down two points from a week ago and down four from the week before.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% are opposed to the plan.
www.rasmussenreports.com...

reply to post by grover


I believe she is quoting the number of people satisfied with their current health coverage. You know the 83% of people that have coverage.

Of course if I was conducting a poll to slant my numbers it would go something like:

If the government was to offer you a free public option for your healthcare coverage would you approve of it?

Polls and statisticians can make it look like people would like to live in a shoe-boxes in the middle of the road.
They could show that most eat handfuls of cold gravel every morning, go to work 28 hours a day, get up 4 hours before they went to bed, and their daddy's would kill them and stomp upon their brains singing hallelujah.
Try to tell that to young folks these days and they won't believe you.

First one to tell me the name of the skit and the comedian group gets a star.

[edit on 10/20/2009 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by AnnieNakki
If TPTB really cared about us, they would slow down and do the right thing.

Uhm, okay which tptb are you talking about here? The caring one, maybe they exist but it's not gonna be easy.

So if some 'creepy, right wing' representatives are trying to slow things down, so much the better.

Oh, no no no, they gotta go, no 'excuses'.

Originally posted by AnnieNakkiWhat I want to know is why there is the mad rush to pass this health care stuff.....poll after poll shows most Americans are happy with their health care....poor people already get free health care....so do illegal immigrants. It is illegal to turn poor people away from hospitals.

I'm unsure where to begin here. The idea that there has been some "mad rush" to pass health care reform is not only illogical and inaccurate, it borders on the insane. You do realize, of course, that health care reform was first debated in the US in the 50's and 60's; that again in the 90's under Clinton there was a strong push for reform; and that the current debate has been the main focus of this and the last legislative period. It's not as if anyone has rushed this through committee as they did the patriot act, and countless other bills.

Further, the claim that people are satisfied with their health care is extremely misleading. True, a majority of those that can afford it, or receive it through their employers plans are satisfied with there insurance, and generally with the level of care they receive from their doctors. But what that blanket statement fails to recognize is that there are millions of Americans (legal citizens with jobs and families) that cannot afford and do not receive, health insurance from their employers. These people in most cases are not "poor" and so do not qualify for government aid (medicaid), and are left to suffer...i.e. go without care, or face bankruptcy for even a simple hospital visit.

Plus, the idea that it is illegal to turn away poor people misses the point that it is only illegal to turn them away at the emergency room. They still have to pay for that ER visit ...it is not free... but it is the most expensive form of health care. So, they may get treated initially at the ER, but follow on treatment is generally unavailable, and without adequate insurance they will have to declare bankruptcy to take care of the initial ER visit. Which in turn raises the COSTS which are then advanced to the rest of us paying customers. Pay attention now, because all of this is true and is important.

Then, there are those with what they assume is adequate coverage who find later that they were, in industry terms, "under insured." Do you realize that the majority of Bankruptcies in America today are caused by medical expenses, and that in a majority of those nearly 80 percent HAD HEALTH INSURANCE - ( see - Himmelstein, D, E., et al, “Medical Bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a National Study, American Journal of Medicine, May 2009)

I never fail to be amazed at the seemingly good hearted intelligent people who are willing to ignore the numbers and facts and believe what their favorite politician or talking head says about health care. Ask around. Almost everyone I have spoken to has at least one acquaintance with a horror story from their health care provider (insurance company ...NOT THE DOCTORS/HOSPITALS).

There truly is crisis in America, and yet we continue to play partisan politics. The Dems solution has been atrocious, but the Republicans don't have a solution other than the status quo. The Baucus Bill only helps the Insurance companies, and yet there are people everyday on this and other web sites and news outlet saying that there is no problem and we should really be afraid of health care reform because its.... duh duh duhn "Soooocialismmmm"

If only people would grow up and quit being afraid of there personal boogie monsters we might get the stooges in DC to do whats in our best interest instead of the bidding of their corporate masters, and until people stop falling lockstep in line with the views of their party that's just not gonna happen.

P.S. - Uugh, I'm so sick of this debate I should see a Doctor...it's a good thing I have socialized medicine, as veteran I go to the VA hospital!

[edit on 20-10-2009 by Artephius Abraxas Helios]

Great post, Artephius Abraxas Helios!

This Family cult has freaked me out since I heard about it. Anything, taken to extremes, can be dangerous, and that goes double for religious zealots in high places. The health care bill is just the current focus, but the Family lives on and will bring their twisted religion into government whenever and however they can.

It's freaking creepy! That's my professional opinion!

I doubt these guys being in "The Family" has anything to do directly with their opposition to reform. As you can see, one of the biggest advocates of reform is Hillary Clinton. .

She is a member of that same prayer group!

There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," also known as The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

www.thenation.com...

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Typical... Its sad that the left is so desperate to demonize and discredit the people that don't agree with this whole health care reform idea.

"Creepy Right-Wing Cult Trying to Defeat Health Care Reform"

reply to post by Digital_Reality
The title may be misleading in saying that the group is "Right Wing," but the information is all true. This group shows all the signs of being a cult of zealots with an agenda other than the best interest of their constituents. Regardless of party affiliation, "The Family" aka "The Fellowship" is a menace to the free flow of ideas and good governance. They are worse than a special interest group or a lobbying firm, as they deal in spiritual blackmail and elitism. No place for that in my opinion, and yet both my Senators, Inhofe (R-OK) and Coburn (R-OK) are heavily involved. Might I suggest trying not to get so caught up in telling everyone how wrong Grover is, and instead read up on the group that the thread is actually about.

reply to post by Artephius Abraxas Helios


Thats the point, its misleading. Get it right and then we can have a decent discussion. I read the article just like I read all that I post a remark to.

"Obama supporters as "creepy" and "cult-like"

CNN's Carol Costello said that audience response at a Barack Obama rally is "a scene some increasingly find not inspirational, but 'creepy,' " quoting columnists who have likened Obama supporters to members of a cult or described their enthusiasm as "creepy." On-screen text during Costello's report read: "OBAMA-MANIA BACKLASH" and "PASSION 'CULT-LIKE' TO SOME." Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer similarly cited other writers to make the same assertion: "ABC's Jake Tapper notes the 'Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities' of 'Obama worshipers,' what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls 'the Cult of Obama.' "

Linky


See how that works? Same ole crap.



[edit on 20-10-2009 by Digital_Reality]

reply to post by Digital_Reality

You know good and well we are supposed to use the title of the article we are citing and a thread can be deleted if we change it...so I used the title of the article cited.

Enough said.

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by Digital_Reality

 

You know good and well we are supposed to use the title of the article we are citing and a thread can be deleted if we change it...so I used the title of the article cited.

Enough said.

Your right Grover, no matter how convenient it was for you. You did the right thing man.

I apologize for taking your post off topic Grover. In addition what I said about you in my earlier post that was "sniped" was inappropriate and id like to also apologies for that. Political subjects can cause people to not use discretion sometimes.

Thank you staff for being fair and communicating with me.


Back on topic...

I think that labeling this group of individuals as right-wing adds fuel to the fire in respect of how the media has been trying to group Republicans and Conservatives in this image of them being crazies and cooks.

These people do not represent all right wing politicians or right wing ideals shared by the general public. They certainly do not represent the people that do not agree with the health care bill as a whole.

Many of the polls are misleading, everyone knows that, until they agree with a certain poll results, then suddenly it's clear and proven.

People are happy with their health care = True
People are NOT HAPPY with their health insurance = TRUE

Do you want a government take over of health care? = NO, people say.
Do you want the choice of a non-profit public option? = YES, people say.

It's all in the wording of the question and the manipulation of the data, do people not already understand that.

The GOP are now, and have always been masters of poll data manipulation, which is not to say that the Dems don't engage in it too, but the GOP are thereal masters of the tactics.

A CHOICE of a non-profit public option IS NOT a "government take over of health care"

Go ahead with all the "slippery slope" arguments you want, but the facts do not support that assertion.

We NEED a non-profit public option as a CHOICE.

Oh, and to the people who say that it's illegal to turn poor people and illegal aliens away from the hospital. Well, you are mistaken. It is illegal to deny anyone EMERGENCY CARE, but it's perfectly legal to deny treatment for treatment because you can't pay, it happens all the time.

Don't believe me? Then call your local hospital or doctors office and ask him to see and treat you for, let's say........ Diabetes, chronic pain,
arthritis or anything else that's not considered an "EMERGENCY", then come back here and tell us your results.

perhaps they are just against socialism, as you should be as well considering freedom and socialism dont mix. im not against reform(such as making the insurance companies not drop someone as soon as they get sick, not increasing premiums constantly, making them cover someone who has pre existing conditions ect...) but each step we take towards socialism is not just a slap in the face to americans, but to all the people who have died to lets us live a free life. do you really want the government sayin " we insure you, so you have to be this weight, no pizza or fried foods or anything that tastes good becuase its unhealthy, no smoking or drinking, no sports becuase it's dangerous and you may get hurt" ect ect ect.....its a very slippery slope to allow the gov more control over our lives than the have allready gotten...do u really want america to be a nanny state like great britan?

reply to post by chrisd250
Wow, you're so right. I forgot how in Great Britain no one smokes or drinks or plays any sports. They all just sit around waiting for Big Brother to tell them what to do next, and it's really all because their social medicine programs have made them a socialist state.

Do you have any idea how paranoid you sound. Get over your irrational fears. First this thread is not about "spoooky sooocialismmm," it's about "The Family." Second, even if it was about Socialism, your over-simplistic views on what socialism consists of are inherently false and add nothing to the discussion. Does the fact that we give our Veterans socialized care through VA hospital take away your freedoms one iota? Do you honestly believe that medicare for the elderly or medicaid for the disabled is something that shames the soldiers that fought and died for your "freedoms"???? I think not, and thus your biased political rhetoric rings hollow. These measures do not affect your freedom or mine. Neither will a public option, or health insurance reform. Learn the difference in social measures taken to better serve a public and capital "S" Socialism. Then learn why you really hate "Socialism" so much. History can be your friend.

-Peace
AAH





[edit on 20-10-2009 by Artephius Abraxas Helios]

This is just another example of why religion needs to be purged from societies across the world as a whole.

It's a parasitic disease. It exhibits all of the same qualities, and behaves in the same way.

In this case, with the 'family', it's just a religious form of La Cosa Nostra. Religiously justified criminalism.

The Para.