2012 Mass Delusion

reply to post by masqua



small world there masqua... i was actually reading those links just yesterday (monday the 12th) which you use in your post today ....
www.mayacalendar.com
www.pbs.org
www.pbs.org

Originally posted by Skyfloating


These people rant on about how special and enlightened the mayans were, when in fact...

The Maya practiced human sacrifice. In some Maya rituals people were killed by having their arms and legs held while a priest cut the person's chest open and tore out his heart as an offering. This is depicted on ancient objects such as pictorial texts, known as codices. It is believed that children were often offered as sacrificial victims because they were believed to be pure

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Could acceptance of 2012 as an "end date" merely reflect that some identify with the superstitions and savagery of the Mayans?

I see no justification for a "sophisticated" civilization basing their future on a primitive shallow culture. But...people love sensationalism and something "new".

Your're right about the 2012 not coming "into vogue" until after the Y2K scares. Maybe people enjoy being "frightened"...too many Freddie movies already. No one had really heard about 2012 until a few years ago; now look how the story has snowballed. People need a new distraction now.


All in all, I think it brazenly shows the gullibility of the masses to accept rumors without questioning nor weighing their sources for accuracy, bias, and self serving motivation. It's the 100th monkey syndrome.

Perhaps the real warning of 2012 is that people are becoming more like these Mayans. Perhaps it is being used as a metaphor and we should be focusing on the behavior of the culture rather than any date. Could it really mean that if society continues on as it has that people will become more heartless, cruel, willing to cut someone's heart out for their own gain?

Could it be a warning that unless we break the shackles of the entities that seek to divide humanity (religion and politics) and to pit us against one another, that mankind will be doomed to repeat the past?

The only way out of this is for the whole world to see the truth of it all exposed for what it is. The bondages and secrets of lies and deceptions that has kept us manipulated and controlled must be brought to the light of day.

Originally posted by ET_MAN
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

Hi Skyfloating,

Hi, thanks for replying.

what you seem to be missing is part of history and the passing of a brown dwarf star that has taken place many times in the past and is a cyclic event of earth.


Which brown dwarf star? Does it pass on the 23rd of December 2012? What happened last time it passed?

The world will never end at least not for billions of years but it will change as it always has changed- it’s part of the cycle/evolution of earth.

Who is denying that? What does that have to do with 2012?

Seasons take place on a yearly basis and so do cyclic events of earth on longer periods of time. I know things will change in 2011 because I have seen/been shown these things and I do not expect you to take my word for it alone-

So its in 2011 and not in 2012?

And have no changes been ongoing in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013?

What kind of changes do you see?

only to look at the evidence/facts and there is plenty of it out there!

If there were, someone would have posted them here by now.

I am also positive that governments in high places know about this event and have long since been preparing for it.

What event? And why would they be preparing for something that no ancient civilization ever made mention of?

Once people really look at the hard evidence and realize all that has been kept from them listening to government eye-witness testimonies, viewing military documents and so on it would be irrational not to believe these people's testimonies and not to believe the many ancient civilizations testimonies/records.

There are no "military documents" on 2012.

There is proof on many levels for those who really want to face/know the truth. 2012 was never a year to worry about other than earth being changed for humanity but 2011 is a year to prepare for and I have "proof" of this event on a certain level/degree. Depending on how much "proof" you need as everyone differs on what they need to see. If 20+ government/military officials with credible positions/credentials came out and talked about it, that would probably still not be enough so called "proof" for the average person or would it?

I believe in a lot of things without needing any proof at all. But I least need a tiny speck of reason why something is believed.

You - representative of many other 2012 believers - keep saying "all the evidence" without showing any.

Well we have much more than just 20+ military, government official’s testimonies, there is overwhelming amounts of evidence to be found supporting that this event has happened in the past and will happen again- so much evidence that it’s absolutely pure “ignorance” “close-mindedness”, “Irrational” of a person do not consider the possibility of this event after viewing all the evidence first. People only have to study the past to view a glimpse of the future as this event is a cyclic event that has occurred many times before.

The Future is not fixed. What the Future is or is not, changes with every motion anyone takes. Events in time are not strictly linear cause-effect but due to trillions of factors. Thats why there is no evidence that can be collected of what will happen in the future.. And people who "see the future" are merely seeing options/possibilities.

A wise man would at least consider that such an event could in fact be a possibility and study/research all the evidence first before hastily making a decision.

Here you are implying that anyone who doubts 2012 hasnt researched it.

Or a person can always remain close minded/ignorant dismissing the possibility without ever researching/investigating.

As hinted at in the OP, I even read the Biography of the initiator of 2012.

I’m asking that you do your own research because obviously from some of the information provided in this thread it only goes to show that someone has not truly researched history/archeology and catastrophic events/catacylsm’s of the past.

Saying research has not been done is false.

Originally posted by ET_MAN
people like myself are spending a great deal of effort on putting this information out spending a lot of time and expense only to do humanity a favor and forewarn them of things to come for the benefit of their families/future.

So you have a vested interested in it being true.

Originally posted by St Udio
We are using the Maya calender end-date to lump together a profusion of ideas...I guess that Major Jenkins set the date at Winter Solstice 2012...
and that date has caught-on with the pop-culture

The mayan calendar does not actually end 2012. Thats an invention.

other things that reinforce our minds (conscious or subconscious) that something big is building up..the kondratieff cycle/wave... the Elliott wave... the bigger picture view of Societal/economic Entropy... DNA manipulation/chimeras/clones/ ~ we have advanced technologically to the point 'we' are pseudo-creators i.e. god like... we, collectively are in a Armageddon Anticipation Overload

Im not. And many others are calm, not projecting their subconscious fears and desires onto the planet.

hey go-with-the-flow, and chill.... 2012 is just another alternative to the Biblical end times and the establishment of the Millennial Kingdon (AKA: Malkut Pei) = "Kingdom of the Mouth" ...Established after a massive annhilation of spirit beings/fallen Angels/ goblins-[mazikin]/ goyim/gentiles[animals among men] and beings such as 'Amalek' & 'Samael' the progentors of Doubt within the chosen peoples+Unchastity+Murder+and Idolotry....

2012 will come and go just like any other year, because only 2% of the world population fully buy into it. You need 10% for mass-belief to effect events.

and these concepts are OK?

Oh they are fine, especially for the marketeers making profit off them...

Originally posted by Geladinhu
Here you are doing the same thing that the OP is doing in my opinion.
You are only using the interpretations of other people to argue, what good does that do? Don't we know already that each interpretation fits perfectly for the interpreter and that each interpreter is unique?

Thought the snake-oil-salesman before he interpreted the snake-oil to be beneficial for me.

Skyfloating,

What do you think is the reasoning behind our earth going through a number of documented Magnetic Pole Shifts (MPS) in it's history??

What do you think could cause such a thing to happen repeatedly as if it's almost cyclical?

reply to post by Skyfloating

The Maya practiced human sacrifice. In some Maya rituals people were killed by having their arms and legs held while a priest cut the person's chest open and tore out his heart as an offering. This is depicted on ancient objects such as pictorial texts, known as codices. It is believed that children were often offered as sacrificial victims because they were believed to be pure

Oh yeh! The Maya were special alright!

I swear this is the last timeI post this vid next to my avatar.
Funny I just keep finding reason to post it.

Originally posted by Alethea
Could acceptance of 2012 as an "end date" merely reflect that some identify with the superstitions and savagery of the Mayans?

Im glad someone caught that. Thats what I was implying.

people need a new distraction now.

...and will actively deny and resist any information contrary to their form of entertainment...

It's the 100th monkey syndrome.

It is.

Could it be a warning that unless we break the shackles of the entities that seek to divide humanity (religion and politics) and to pit us against one another, that mankind will be doomed to repeat the past?

Yes, it could be an entirely different type of warning than the one popularized.

Originally posted by Skyfloating



Trying to pinpoint an exact date for a future event is a folly because time is flexible and human-made-dates are arbitrary.


Er,we dont seem to have a problem with things like an eclipse.But Im with you on Indigo's.I dont think the world is going to end either,dont know whats gonna happen,but the maya WERE great at astronomy and hacking of limbs.

Originally posted by masqua
Maybe those human sacrificing ancient Mayans knew something we don't or they were just as much in the dark as we are. One thing I do know is that they referred to the Milky way as the Sacred Tree and a marker of note. Why...(?) no idea.

Astral-vision enforced by entheogens.

A starting date of 3114 BC, eh? Around 5126 of our Julian years for the total Long Count. Definitely NOT 33 or 60 millions of years. Question then should be - "What happened on the last Mayan Year Zero?" Obviously the world didn't totally end then either.

A shift did happen around that time. You (and others) are saying that the Mayans recorded that shift in civilization. Im saying that the start of the calendar (if it really did start at that date) is one of (many) planetary effects of that shift.

Something shifted and it caused many civilizations around the globe to make a jump...including one in the Americas who then started counting time (apparently).

But: Ive read that there are also calendars from that time (of other civilizations) that end at other dates. (?)

Also see kindreds post on Mayan Calendars.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Paroxysm
What do you think is the reasoning behind our earth going through a number of documented Magnetic Pole Shifts (MPS) in it's history??

What do you think could cause such a thing to happen repeatedly as if it's almost cyclical?

I dont know.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I dont know.

Apparently, neither do scientists. But many have theories...

Here's a pretty decent objective article regarding Earth's Magnetic Polar Reversals:

www.pbs.org...

When Compasses Point South

If all the compasses in the world started pointing south rather than north, many people might think something very strange, very unusual, and possibly very dangerous was going on. Doomsayers would have a field day proclaiming the end is nigh, while more rational persons might head straight to scientists for an explanation.

Fortunately, those scientists in the know—paleomagnetists, to be exact—would have a ready answer. Such reversals in the Earth's magnetic field, they'd tell you, are, roughly speaking, as common as ice ages. That is, they're terrifically infrequent by human standards, but in geologic terms they happen all the time. As the time line at the bottom shows, hundreds of times in our planet's history the polarity of the magnetic shield ensheathing the globe has gone from "normal," our current orientation to the north, to "reversed," and back again.

The Earth is not alone in this fickleness: The sun's magnetic shield appears to reverse its polarity approximately every 11 years. Even our Milky Way galaxy is magnetized, and experts say it probably reverses its polarity as well. Moreover, while a severe weakening or disappearance of the magnetic field would lay us open to harmful radiation from the sun, there's little evidence to date that "flips" per se inflict any lasting damage (see Impact on Animals).

It might sound as if scientists have all the answers regarding magnetic reversals. But actually they know very little about them. Basic questions haunt researchers: What physical processes within the Earth trigger reversals? Why do the durations and frequencies of both normal and reversed states seem random? Why is there such a disproportionately long normal period between about 121 and 83 million years ago? Why does the reversal rate, at least during the past 160 million years, appear to peak around 12 million years ago?

All these questions remain unanswered, though experts like Dennis Kent, the Rutgers University geologist who supplied NOVA with updated figures for the time line, are hard at work trying to answer them. In the meantime, not to worry. Reversals happen on average only about once every 250,000 years, and they take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.

Even the weakening currently under way may be a false alarm. The field often gets very weak, then bounces back, never having flipped. As Ron Merrill, a magnetic-field specialist at the University of Washington remarked when asked whether we're in for a reversal: "Ask me in 10,000 years, I'll give you a better answer." So hang on to your compass. For the foreseeable future, it should work as advertised.—Peter Tyson

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[edit on 14-10-2009 by Paroxysm]

"The amount of cheap gimmicks and products sold to the gullible, such as survival packs, protection sprays, "ascension robes" star-child-make-up and other such nonsense are evidence of the type of dumbed-down crowd being catered to here. "

WOW Where do I get these items from? Ebay? Amazon?

I fancy the make up and protection spray, what wonderous inventions all designed to stop 2012 from happening..

Right sarcasm over and anyone who buys this nonsense gets what they deserve IMO, 2012 will be just like Dec31st 1999 and Jan 1st 2000, everyone will be panicking and then wake up the following morning and wonder what happened? then realised nothing happened .
Then another date say 2016 will emerge as the new doom and the cycle of protection sprays and star child makeup wil begin again.

Survival packs are ok as they may come in handy at anytime , either house fire, social unrest , hostile takeover are more likely than the world splitting apart in 2012.

I can't help but wonder how many cults are going to 'suicide' themselves before the 2012 date is up, I'd say 6 -8 wil hit the news, but others will go unreported...

Your're right about the 2012 not coming "into vogue" until after the Y2K scares. Maybe people enjoy being "frightened"...too many Freddie movies already. No one had really heard about 2012 until a few years ago; now look how the story has snowballed. People need a new distraction now.

I had

I first heard about it in 1998- and I know that was the year as my now 11 yr old was just a new born.

The story came to me from the foothills of Nimbin- those crazy hippies knew about it long before it became 'popular'

But I guess you're right, it really has picked up momentum in the last few years- even mainstream folk are talking about it.

I don't believe that 2012 will see any kind of end of the world. I suspect that perhaps the whole MSM uproar about it may be there to make the populace doubt it. Make a few history channel programmes with the gravelly voiced man saying "The End Of Everything" a few times and people will dismiss it as another cry that the sky is falling.

But when we look at the world around us and beyond, we see patterns, cycles, everything is in constant motion, waxing and waning, nothing is ever constant, it's always in one state or another, moving towards the next soltise or peak. And yet, inside of this, we see more patterns. We see patterns of fractal time, numbers repeated both large and small.

The Mayan calendar doesn't just stop in 2012, the Dec 21st date is the end of a cycle, it started at 00000, and it will go back to that zero point in 2012. We know that the world didn't end last time, it seems rather unlikely that it will end this time either. So, what did happen last time? Did we cross from one hemisphere of the galaxy into the other? Have we been in a waxing cycle for thousands of years, and we're going to hit the peak of that in 2012, to be followed by thousands of years of a waning cycle? What will that mean for our society? For our planet?

It's easy to listen only to the doom and gloom pronouncements about the end of the world, and sit back and think of how silly it all is, but the truth is that any day has the potential to change the course of history.

Today could be the end of civilisation, or tomorrow, when some earthquake or lump of rock from space or world power with an itchy trigger finger makes life as we know it no longer feasible, and just like every civilisation to date, ours will reach the end of it's cycle, and something new will begin.

It's fine to question those claiming that the sky is falling in. It's fine not to believe any of it, or all of it. But don't for a second delude yourself that this civilisation will never end and that we're all guaranteed to grow old in it, still shopping at the same stores and doing the same things for recreation. All civilisations end, and ours will too.

reply to post by Paroxysm


Thats all pretty interesting and even sensible/believable...but what does it have to do with the 2012-movement... (?).

[edit on 14-10-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by DataWraith
WOW Where do I get these items from? Ebay? Amazon?

Go to any fair, expo, etc on the subject and you`ll meet all kinds of kooks with kooky devices and beliefs.

Right sarcasm over and anyone who buys this nonsense gets what they deserve IMO, 2012 will be just like Dec31st 1999 and Jan 1st 2000, everyone will be panicking and then wake up the following morning and wonder what happened? then realised nothing happened .

Problem is that people will take this as "more proof that the "spiritual/paranormal is for kooks". It makes us believers-in-unseen realities look like complete idiots.

I can't help but wonder how many cults are going to 'suicide' themselves before the 2012 date is up, I'd say 6 -8 wil hit the news, but others will go unreported...

There will be your usual cult that goes out into the Nevada desert to wait for UFOs to pick them up if they commit suicide.

Originally posted by lifecitizen

I first heard about it in 1998- and I know that was the year as my now 11 yr old was just a new born.

The Mayan and 2012 stuff was first written about in the 70s. It did gain momentum after 2000.