Generals say Cheney wrong on torture

Interesting editorial denouncing Cheney's torture regime written by two notorious peacenik lefties...one a former commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps and the other a retired commander-in-chief of U.S. Central Command.

We have seen how ill-conceived policies that ignored military law on the treatment of enemy prisoners hindered our ability to defeat al Qaeda. We have seen American troops die at the hands of foreign fighters recruited with stories about tortured Muslim detainees at Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib. And yet Cheney and others who orchestrated America's disastrous trip to ``the dark side'' continue to assert -- against all evidence -- that torture ``worked'' and that our country is better off for having gone there. www.miamiherald.com...

It'd be nice if some of the torture promoters were at least to learn a bit of a lesson about war crimes, and what got folks hanged at Nuremberg.

[edit on 11-9-2009 by JohnnyCanuck]

How dare you slam our soldiers? How dare you? They fought for your freedom.

Edit: Just to point out that my post was TIC.

[edit on 11-9-2009 by damwel]

Yea but you see these guys don't count. Cheney as the REAL generals who prove that torture worked. I mean Cheney makes his case by reminding us that we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11, so clearly their policies worked.

Of course I'm one of those tin-hat-wearing-nutjobs that would like to remind heir Cheney that we were first attacked on Feb. 26, 1993 just a month after Clinton came into office. So unless the perpetrators planned and executed this in a month's time (contrary to everything Cheney et al have told us about how they plan stuff) then the 1993 attack was planned under Bush Sr. and/or Reagan. And then there were no other foreign attacks until, well, HIS watch. My, my, my.

Oh come on you wusses!
Don't you watch 24? Torture is nasty, but hasn't Jack Bauer proved we need to do it?
Or...could it be we want to do it? That torture seems to be OK because it satisfies some primative need for what some see as justice?
Just like regular criminals, these guys are probably guilty of something and why bog ourselves with liberal notions of proof or law, after all they don't! Civilization is for pusses, not real he men!
Even if it doesn't get any useful info, it still makes us feel better!

It's good to see that the MSM is letting out articles that defy
our current policies. Torture is, and has always been both
morally wrong and a poor method of extracting information.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were the instigators of current interrogation
methods and as such such BE PROSECUTED for their crimes. Neither
were 'real' soldiers, they just liked to play at it while using the live's
of others for their games.

If you read the history of the Inquistion the parallels that you see
with current events are absolutely shocking. The roots of the
Inquisition were based on the catholic church trying to usurp the
power of the nation/states that existed at that time.

The methods of torture between then and now have changed little
but for use of electricity. We still use "ordeal by water" (water
boarding), sleep and food deprivation, incarceration without end,
suspension by wrists and on and on. They even place hoods very
similar to the pointed corazo on their victims. Just like 500 years ago
they still grab people off the street to fill their sadistic desires.

In the overall scheme of things torture may have as much to do with
the emotional energies being released as it does information
gathering. The Inquisition never ended, it simply changed
uniforms and continues as a sick method of intimidation and sadistic
release that defies logic and ethical consideration.

MI6 reports own officer over torture allegations

Friday 11 September 2009 13.24 BST

The Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, has reported one of its own officers to the attorney general over allegations of complicity in torture, the foreign secretary revealed today.

David Miliband disclosed the move in a letter to William Hague. The shadow foreign secretary had written to Miliband about allegations made by MPs, first reported in the Guardian, of complicity in torture or ill treatment of detainees and terror suspects by officers in the Security Service, MI5.

Miliband said the case was referred to the attorney general, Lady Scotland, by MI6 on its own initiative, "unprompted by any accusation against the service or the individual concerned".

"It is for the police to investigate. The government cannot comment further both to avoid prejudice and to protect the individuals involved. The scope and handling of any police investigation is a matter for the police themselves."

The Metropolitan police confirmed it had been asked it to investigate "the conditions under which a non-Briton was held" and the "potential involvement of British personnel".

The case is unrelated to that of Binyam Mohamed, which Metropolitan police officers are also investigating, a spokesman said.

Government officials declined to comment further on the allegations or divulge the country in which possible unlawful activity took place.

www.guardian.co.uk...