Why 911

Originally posted by JJay55

The fact is, the US would have never been on sacred holy Islamic ground without the full blessing of the Saudis. We would not have been allowed to be there period. Instead, the Saudis farm out most of their dirty work to Americans and other people the import while they sit back on their oilrich fatasses. Since they are an Islamic government it would be illegal for us to be there without their expressed permission, so no one "invaded" their countries.

Invasion.....

1. The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer.
2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.
3. An intrusion or encroachment.

Now unless i`m hugely mistaken NATO express ltd. done exactly this to both Iraq and Afghanistan, so i`m sticking with the invasion angle.

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Like I said, 9/11.

Do you finally get it?

posted by Donny 4 million
I know it is a little further north west but would you consider Tim McVey a terrorist?

posted by mmiichael

Mind if I jump in here?

There were two men on the scene attested to by multiple witnesses called John Doe #1 and #2, describe as "Middle Eastern looking" who were written out of the story despite initial reports.

This one really was a govt cover-up, from all appearances.

Of course it was. Good thinking. As you probably already know, those two "Middle Eastern looking" John Does were Israeli MOSSAD, just like the Israeli MOSSAD "Middle Eastern looking" John Does at the WTC across the river, videotaping and dancing for joy at the successful crime against America and the murder of thousands of innocents and 1st responders.

As you probably already also know, arrested Israeli MOSSAD "Middle Eastern looking" agents are always classified as John Does and quickly hidden and transported back to Zionist occupied Palestine.

But you were right about the US Government cover-up and Inside Job at Oklahoma City. Tim McVeigh only confessed to protect his innocent sister from the brutality of an out-of-control corrupt government. Another patsy for US Government crimes against its own.

We witnessed that brutality of an out-of-control corrupt government at Waco previously, didn't we, as they included innocent children among their murder victims? That is the first known time that the US Military was first used on American soil in a direct murderous attack on our own citizens.

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But now we can most definitely add 9-11 to that record of attacks on American soil against US citizens by the US Military, and maybe also Oklahoma City, because those planted explosives in the Murrah Building could have been planted by another US Military demolition team.

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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
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Is that Bullseye exactly where the plane hit ????

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No. Flight 11 hit up on the 94th-99th floors. That is also lower than the Flight 175 impact.

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9'11 is a time loop


Crossing from 9 to 11, without completion of 10.


The false flag operation was created so they could create a mega symbolic ritual out of it. Thus allowing them to control this reality and create the chaos that has sprouted with 9/11. The masons completed their tasks.



9/11 is what allowed the hegomy of "the freeland" America to attack the east. The ritual started on American soil. So it's ironic the way it happens. But in secret societies this is not in the least strange thing to do. The fact they did it in this way, invokes a lot of power, energy.


This power was then used to trick people into invading other countries to fight.


It worked.

Originally posted by SPreston
As you probably already know, those two "Middle Eastern looking" John Does were Israeli MOSSAD, just like the Israeli MOSSAD "Middle Eastern looking" John Does at the WTC across the river, videotaping and dancing for joy at the successful crime against America and the murder of thousands of innocents and 1st responders.

As you probably already also know, arrested Israeli MOSSAD "Middle Eastern looking" agents are always classified as John Does and quickly hidden and transported back to Zionist occupied Palestine.

But you were right about the US Government cover-up and Inside Job at Oklahoma City. Tim McVey only confessed to protect his innocent sister from the brutality of an out-of-control corrupt government. Another patsy for US Government crimes against its own.

Great detective work from a home computer. But it conflicts with the deep investigation of the reporter who was on the scene and interviewed dozens of people, examined documents and spoke with authorities in Oklahoma at the time.

Her conclusion were that the other parties involved in the Murrah building bombings were Iraqi military personnel. They've been named and identified.

No linkage with Israel or Mossad, except in the imagination of people like yourself.

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a brown Chevrolet truck almost identical to that once hunted by the FBI had been seen parked outside the offices of a local property management company several days before the bombing.

The owner was a Palestinian with a criminal record and suspected ties to the Palestine Liberation Organisation. Later she found that the man had hired a number of former Iraqi soldiers.

He had recruited them to carry out maintenance on his rental properties, but several were later discovered to be missing from work on the day of the bombing. Eyewitnesses have told Davis that they saw several of them celebrating later that day.

But what increasingly drew her attention was another Iraqi living in Oklahoma City, a restaurant worker called Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, whose photograph was almost a perfect match to the official sketch of "John Doe 2".

Al Hussaini has a tattoo on his upper left arm, indicating he was once a member of Saddam's elite Republican Guard.

Since then, Davis has gathered hundreds of court records and the sworn testimony of two dozen witnesses. Several claimed to have seen a man fitting Al Hussaini's description drinking with McVeigh in a motel bar four days before the bombing.

Others positively identified former Iraqi soldiers in the company of McVeigh and Nichols. Two swore that they had seen Al Hussaini only a block from the Murrah building in the hours before the bombing. With the case against McVeigh and Nichols seemingly watertight, the FBI has until now consistently refused to reopen it. McVeigh went to his death in the execution chamber two years ago, insisting he alone was responsible.

Davis thinks he may have done so out of loyalty to his family, not wishing to go down in history as a traitor to his country.

But she has evidence that up to 12,000 Iraqis were allowed into America after the Gulf war. Some of these, she suspects, are using their status as refugees for cover. "They are here," she said. "And they are highly trained and motivated."

The renewed interest in Washington is clearly linked to America's case against Saddam as broker of world terror.

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If the bombing of the Alfred E. Murrah building in Oklahoma City was a terrorist reprisal for the massacre of the Branch Davidians at Waco, why were no BATF or FBI agents injured? Why was EVERY BADGE-CARRYING FEDERAL AGENT absent from work at nine o’clock on a weekday morning, their offices staffed only with civilian clerical workers?

When the word first got out that no Federal agents had been present in the building, the BATF produced its Resident Agent Alex McCauley who told a long story about his own heroism and that of a fellow ATF man who allegedly fell three floors in an elevator, walked away from it, and then helped rescue others trapped by the bomb. This was quickly exposed as a fabrication in an angry interview by building maintenance supervisor Duane James, who described McCauley’s story as "pure fantasy". James examined the elevator in question and also the central control panel and pointed out a number of technical and logical reasons why the miraculous elevator incident simply couldn’t have happened in the way claimed. The McCauley account was quietly retracted and flushed down the memory hole by the ATF, with the help of the media. They now admit that McCauley was nowhere near the building when the bomb went off, although they refuse to discuss his exact whereabouts or the whereabouts of any other ATF agent at the time of the explosion.

Will BATF Agent Alex McCauley be disciplined for telling a self-serving lie which falsely made himself out to be a hero? If that was not the purpose, why did he make this palpably false public statement?

Why was U.S. Judge Wayne Alley, whose office was located in the Federal building, warned several weeks in advance in a Justice Department memo to be prepared for an unnamed "terrorist act" directed against the Federal building?

Judge Alley made the above admission to the Portland Oregonian immediately after the bombing. He has since refused to repeat it or allow himself to be interviewed again. Why?

Why did Ken Stern fax warnings to Federal judges and officials, legislators, and prosecutors warning of a possible attack on a government building of installation on the second anniversary of Waco on April 10th, 1995, nine days before the OKC bombing?
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By definition, a terrorist must take credit for his violence, or else there is no compelling reason to commit a crime. The specific purpose of terrorism is to gain a political end through the credible threat to commit future acts of violence. No one has claimed credit for the Oklahoma City bombing. Militia and right-wing groups, the alleged masterminds and presumed beneficiaries, have been particularly vehement in denouncing the explosion and in many cases have cooperated directly with Federal agencies to absolve themselves of any involvement. The only statement of alleged political motive comes from the very government which was attacked. Why is this?

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Snide remark noted. Regardless, Timothy McVey was framed and the Oklahoma City bombing was just another US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens. It seems they were slowly and carefully working their way up to 9-11. Common sense should inform every thinking American that the next US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens will be far far worse than 9-11. And the next. Alert Americans long ago should have learned not to trust their totally corrupt lying government.

Perhaps some MOSSAD agents posing as Iraqis were used, or some CIA Iraqi assets to set the stage.

Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
July 30, 1995

by Benton K. Partin
Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.)

The media and the Executive branch reported that the sole source of the devastation was a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate, transported to the location in a Ryder Truck and parked in front of the building. It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have resulted from such a bomb alone. To cause the damage pattern that occurred to the Murrah building, there would have to have been demolition charges at several supporting column bases, at locations not accessible from the street, to supplement the truck bomb damage. Indeed, a careful examination of photographs showing the collapsed column bases reveals a failure mode produced by demolition charges and not by a blast from the truck bomb.

To understand what caused the damage to the Murrah Building, one needs to understand some basics about the use and nature of explosives. First, blast through air is a very inefficient energy coupling mechanism against heavily reinforced concrete beams and columns. Second, blast damage potential initially falls off more rapidly than an inverse function of the distance cubed. That is why in conventional weapons development, one seeks accuracy over yield for hard targets.

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The theory that Middle Eastern terror played a role in the Oklahoma City bombing is not a new one. In the immediate aftermath of the Murrah Building explosion, terrorism expert Steven Emerson went on television and suggested Islamic terrorists may have been responsible. Ostracized when proven wrong, Emerson admits his mistake in his recent book, "American Jihad," and stresses, "I have refused to support the conspiracy theorists who insist that McVeigh himself was actually involved with Muslim groups."

That's exactly what Davis insists: That McVeigh worked alongside Middle Eastern terrorists in plotting the Murrah Building attack and that law enforcement has refused to investigate the connection. The theory is anchored in the government's own prosecution and the elusive "John Doe 2" figure who has baffled Oklahoma City experts for years.

Immediately following the Murrah Building attack, prosecutors issued warrants for John Does 1 and 2, along with artist sketches of the men who were reportedly seen together prior to the bombing. John Doe 1 turned out to be McVeigh, a dead ringer for the sketched rendition. With McVeigh and his co-conspirator Terry Nichols in custody, prosecutors came to the conclusion that there was no John Doe 2, and that witnesses who say they saw a man with McVeigh right before the attack were confused. (Since Nichols was not with McVeigh immediately before the attack, he couldn't have been John Doe 2.)

"It's like all the [erroneous] talk about a white van being used in the Beltway sniper case," says Cate McCauley, an investigator appointed by the U.S. District Court to assist with McVeigh's appeal. "There was no John Doe 2." But Davis argues the man she's identified as a former Iraqi soldier is the real John Doe 2.

"The whole idea was pretty much dead in the water a couple years ago," notes Mark Potok, who covered the Oklahoma City bombing for USA Today as the paper's Southwest bureau chief. "Now it's come back to life like a zombie. I think it's being used by people who'd very much like to go to war with Iraq."

To be fair to Davis, she's not suggesting there's a Saddam Hussein link hidden in her dossier. "I don't think this is a reason to go to war with Iraq," says the Oklahoma city wife and mother. "Was there Iraqi sponsorship? I am so far away from connecting those dots. I don't think anybody's going to find evidence between Iraq and Oklahoma City unless we go over there and literally find documents outlining the attacks. All I know is those guys [with McVeigh] were Iraqi soldiers."

But don't tell Gaffney and his circle of hawks. He wrote a column for Fox News suggesting Davis' reporting "implicates Saddam Hussein" in deadly terrorist acts against America.

"I just think it's folly. The Oklahoma City case attracted every conspiracy theorist on the planet, including some second-rate reporters who believe they've stripped the cover off the conspiracy of the 20th century," says Potok, now spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center. "Nothing against Jayna Davis, but she's gotten an idea in her head that's not based on real evidence."

Others are even harder on Davis and her crusade. "She's gone off the deep end," says former CIA official Cannistraro. He told Rep. Burton the same thing, after his staff requested a meeting with the terrorism expert this fall to discuss Davis' investigation. "I looked Burton right in his eye and told him this was bull# and that he was wasting his time. He seemed taken aback. I'd be amused if the whole thing weren't being used as a pretext for war." Burton's office did not return calls seeking comment.

In mid-November Burton's investigators announced the most newsworthy finding from their conspiracy investigation: One of Davis' witnesses had lied. He not only lied about his military background, but about seeing a video surveillance tape that showed a Middle Eastern man getting out of McVeigh's rented Ryder truck just moments before a homemade bomb inside brought down half the Murrah Building. The witness may soon be prosecuted by the Justice Department.

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The common modus operandi of the US Government INSIDE JOB attacks on their own citizens seems to be the hauling away of debris and the burying of the evidence in secured areas, and the confiscation and censorship of damning security videos by the political arm FBI. Shades of 9-11 at OKC.

Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
July 30, 1995

by Benton K. Partin
Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.)

Conclusions
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The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building. The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.

It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup, before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence.

When the picture at Tab 4 was made, all evidence of demolition charges had been removed from the building site (i.e., the stubs of columns B3, A3, A5, A7 and the demolished junctures at the header with columns A3, A5 and A7. All ambiguity with respect to the use of supplementing demolition charges and the type of truck used could be quickly resolved in the FBI were required to release the surveillance camera coverage of this terribly tragic event.

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As a missile and missile warhead expert, General Partin gives a very interesting description of how they destroyed Flight 800 and the inevitable US Government cover-up. Do we have the most corrupt government in the world, or no?

But think logically now. Who has attacked America before? Remember the Liberty and 54 deliberately murdered American sailors and the Zionist Israelis? Remember the MOSSAD Israelis across the river from the WTC? Did the Zionist Israelis take out Flight 800? Remember the terrorists Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir and the Irgun/Stern Gang murders of British troops? Did they ever face justice? The American Government always covered up for the Zionist Israelis didn't they?

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BRIGADIER GENERAL BENTON K. PARTIN

In September 1953 General Partin entered the Air Force Institute of Technology in the first two-year Graduate Air Ordnance Program, where he received a master of science degree in aeronautical engineering in 1955. In September 1955 he was assigned to the Ballistics Research Laboratories, Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Md. There, as an interservice exchange project engineer, he worked on a variety of armament projects; primarily on warhead and fuse developments for both Air Force and Army missiles.

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Sam Gronning, a professional blaster for more than thirty years, says:

"I have been a blaster for over thirty years and there is no doubt in my mind that ANFO could not have been by itself the medium for that powerful an explosion.... even enhanced at that distance, I doubt that an external explosion could of created that extensive damage at the reported weight of the bomb."

"My knowledge comes from practical handling of explosives," added Gronning. "And my belief is that 4800 lb. of ANFO wouldn't have scuffed the paint on the building."

"No truck bomb of ANFO out in the open is going to cause that kind of damage we had there... In thirty years of blasting, using everything from 100 percent nitrogel to ANFO, I've not seen anything to support that story... I have set off 16000 pounds of ANFO and was standing upright just
1,000 feet away from the blast."

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Originally posted by SPreston
Timothy McVey was framed and the Oklahoma City bombing was just another US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens. It seems they were slowly and carefully working their way up to 9-11. Common sense should inform every thinking American that the next US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens will be far far worse than 9-11. And the next. Alert Americans long ago should have learned not to trust their totally corrupt lying government.

Perhaps some MOSSAD agents posing as Iraqis were used, or some CIA Iraqi assets to set the stage.

I can only make intelligent guesses as to who was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings but note the consistent attempts to discredit Jayna Davis.

Zero indication or even motivation for Mossad involvement but inevitably hardcore conspiracist invoke them at every turn.

Conspiracy information generators are obviously in bed with the Muslim world because they give them a clean bill of health despite at every opportunity despite what has been happening since the 70s.

The constant default to false flag notions has always been a joke to serious journalists and investigators. If the US wants to rally support against Iraq or anywhere it's easier, less painful, and less risky to stage an event with well planted doctored evidence. To even think 9/11 was such a false flag is ludicrous. Crippling the US economy at the heart of the financial district of NYC when a hundred other scenarios would have incurred less loss and equal PR gain. People don’t shoot off their foot for attention.

What one can surmise from the incomplete information made available on terrorist activities in the US is that, first, the US admin was prepared to look the other way, in some cases. Part of this may be due to not wanting to raise the spectre of duplicity by allied Muslim states like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan receiving protective largess and billions of dollars in foreign aid while plotting against US interests.

As we now know from 9/11, there were proprietorial wars for information between the FBI, CIA and NES. How much is attributable to bad communication or plain ineptitude is hard to say. It is validated that the Saudis, Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, Jordan, French intelligence services were sharing information in advance. Why it wasn't followed up appropriately is still unanswered. How much was incompetence, how much was self serving agendas?

I recall from a reporter friend that McVeig wanted to make a last minute confession the night before his execution. Either this was staunched or what he had to say was suppressed. But Terry Nichols traveling to the Philippines and his contacts with the Muslim world terrorist organizations cannot be swept under the rug. Silence there, too.

The US will continue to sit on this story because it is politically inconvenient for them now. It would be interesting to have the full story.

But predictably the conspiracists will deny any planning and involvement of Muslim networks because it doesn’t fit into their chosen simplistic agenda view of America always guilty, Muslims always innocent.


Mike








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posted by SPreston

Timothy McVey was framed and the Oklahoma City bombing was just another US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens. It seems they were slowly and carefully working their way up to 9-11. Common sense should inform every thinking American that the next US Government INSIDE JOB attack upon its own citizens will be far far worse than 9-11. And the next. Alert Americans long ago should have learned not to trust their totally corrupt lying government.

Perhaps some MOSSAD agents posing as Iraqis were used, or some CIA Iraqi assets to set the stage.

posted by mmiichael

I can only make intelligent guesses

The US will continue to sit on this story because it is politically inconvenient for them now. It would be interesting to have the full story.

Your opinion is noted.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
I know it is a little further north west but would you consider Tim McVey a terrorist?

Mind if I jump in here?

There were two men on the scene attested to by multiple witnesses called John Doe #1 and #2, describe as "Middle Eastern looking" who were written out of the story despite initial reports.

This one really was a govt cover-up, from all appearances.

Jayna Davis, a former Oklahoma City television reporter, amassed a 2,000-page dossier showing that a Middle Eastern terrorist cell made up of former Iraqi soldiers helped McVeigh.

Won't say any more for now.


Mike

Looking at the way AQ recruits it's easy to see that they target those who are impressionable, have anger issues, have pluralistic beliefs, and can be manipulated. Johnny Walker Lindh is another example. Fatty boy Adam Ghadan is another. There are many out there and AQ will build their numbers substantially as they move to expand in 2010-2013.

Also note that the other factors of infiltration are already in place. The US government, our nuclear plants, our water resources, our universities, our infrastructure has people in place that can easily turn. So it's important to be vigilant in our jobs. Many employers have placed a "diversity" position who are to cover sensitivity issues... why do we need this? Hello? That movement only opens a door to infiltration. A workplace shouldn't involve personal issues that need a diversity counsel... except in Sharia law.

I'm all over the place in my posts... hope I'm sparking some common issues that are recognizable. Thanks for the good discussion.

So, basically you two Mike and JJ, Are saying those two john does could have been Israelites as well?
Or are Israelites not ME? (middle eastern)
OH never mind SP put that to bed already.

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Anyway if Tim was duped by others would that then make Lenin of Russia a terrorist for murdering the Russian Czar? (Not actually state sponsored)
I know that guy was not a ME.
Feel free to jump in.

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posted by JJay55

Looking at the way AQ recruits it's easy to see that they target those who are impressionable, have anger issues, have pluralistic beliefs, and can be manipulated. Johnny Walker Lindh is another example. Fatty boy Adam Ghadan is another. There are many out there and AQ will build their numbers substantially as they move to expand in 2010-2013.

Please do not lie to us and tell us you did not know that Adam Gadahn was really Zionist Adam Pearlman, grandson of former AntiDefamation League of B'nai Brith board of directors member Carl Pearlman. It is certainly a small world isn't it? Should we assume Pearlman is MOSSAD and the FBI wanted poster just cover?

MOST WANTED TERRORISTS - FBI - ADAM YAHIYE GADAHN

Should we also assume that you JJay55 are also covering for Pearlman the pretend Al Qaeda terrorist? Of course you are a counter-terrorism educator with a 40 year background in Islamic studies and have many years of experience working with seasoned professionals in this effort, and of course you would never lie to us would you?

What is your real purpose here on ATS JJay55? Are you spreading disinformation and 'terrorist' propaganda? Don't we already get enough propaganda from Homeland In-Security and FEMA and the Obama Regime and the prostitute Mainstream News Media?

Adam Yahiye Gadahn: The Fake Terrorist

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

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Sent in by a reader: I recently saw the article you linked about Adam Pearlman and his brand new feature film in which he plays the character Azzam Al-Amrika. As someone who speaks Arabic, I thought it would be interesting for WRH readers to know a little bit about this particular name. First, Azzam in Arabic means either "determined" or "resolved". Second, "Al-Amrika" (it's sometimes spelled "Amerika") translates back to "America". Interesting use of words Mr. Pearlman is using for a name, I'd say. But even without having to translate the whole name, no Arab has the last name of Amrika. The name, translated, almost sounds like a Bush soundbite.

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posted by JJay55

Actually I'm a counter-terrorism educator with a 40 year background in Islamic studies. I teach at a university level and have many years of experience working with seasoned professionals in this effort.

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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
So, basically you two Mike and JJ, Are saying those two john does could have been Israelites as well?
Or are Israelites not ME? (middle eastern)
OH never mind SP put that to bed already.

WHAT! Can't you read.

Of course lunatic fringe conspiracy sites like Rense.com and your average trailer park resident will say Mossad was involved in the Oklahoma bombings. Even though there is zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise. How about ex-Nazis, aliens - can't rule them out.

There are names, witnessing and testimonies of Palestinians and Iraqi military in the area and in contact with McVeigh and Nichols. What the level of their involvement is still to be determined. But suspicious highly.

The fatigued notion that no one ever does anything bad internationally - it's all false flag US plants helped by Mossad - carries currency only with the denizens of conspiracy land.

Egyptian, Saudi, Pakistani, French, British, German, intelligence shared information has elaborated on worldwide Muslim terrorist organizations, many of who operate cells in the US.

Little point in arguing the Oklahoma bombings here as one gets drowned out by the Usual Suspects histrionics and Youtube silliness.

There are people in the US who if an al Qaida Pakistan originated nuke fell on them would somehow figure it was a CIA/Mossad false flag operation.

And if you point out the sheer lunacy of all this you get labeled a disinformation agent.

Well if not being deluded by Kiddie Konspiracy notions means you're a disinformation agent - then I'll sign up any day.


Mike

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We did not see you criticising our resident counter-terrorism educator Ms JJay55 for trying to pass off a Zionist Mr Adam Pearlman as an Al Qaeda 'terrorist' did we?

posted by JJay55

Actually I'm a counter-terrorism educator with a 40 year background in Islamic studies. I teach at a university level and have many years of experience working with seasoned professionals in this effort.

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Originally posted by SPreston
We did not see you criticising our resident counter-terrorism educator Ms JJay55 for trying to pass off a Zionist Mr Adam Pearlman as an Al Qaeda 'terrorist' did we?

Just because this is a forum where any fruit loop conspiracy notion gets a pass doesn't mean your lunatic fringe websites and Youtubes are correct in their wild assumptions.

Pearlman is a pathetic mental case. Jewish and a great PR coup for the loosely affiliated al Qaida. But I'm sure you think al Qaida is a Zionist front. It fits your level of sophistication and worldiness.

Thousands across the world, Muslim, Christian, Jews, Hindus - have dealt with these people first hand. They've seen events, spoken to participants, examined documentation, read official reports. They acknowledge there is an al Qaida. And it isn't friendly.

When something serious comes down the pike some day, with foreign interests doing harm to innocents in the US or somewhere else in the West, will you be joining them? You seem to be one of their biggest defenders. The finger is always pointed at the US and Israel. It's never pointed at the Muslim world.

On some contorted level you see yourself protecting the world from the Evil American administration and their Zionist minions. I'm sure your new Middle Eastern friends will welcome your great knowledge and insights.


Disturbing.


Mike






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Back to my topic. If you guys want to talk about McVeigh... start your own thread.
Why 911? Because Islamic terrorism picked that date. It has nothing to do with America, our choice of the date, or anything that we influenced. Islamic terrorism is influenced by Islam.
Research the Coptic Christian holiday, it will show clearly the patterns that will be used in the future.

jj and mike

Since I read your replies to SP of late and see so much bias, prejudice and denial. I decided to check out what you seem to be avoiding. Don't blame you.
Do you see any terrorist behavior here!

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Lekem, is an acronym for הלשכה לקשרי מדע ha-Lishka le-Kishrei Mada (Bureau of Scientific Relations), was an Israeli intelligence agency. It collected scientific and technical intelligence abroad from both open and covert sources. It was disbanded in 1986 following the arrest of Jonathan Pollard for espionage on behalf of Israel. Pollard was a United States Navy intelligence employee in the Naval Anti-Terrorist Alert Center in Washington, D.C. He was paid for delivering large amounts of classified documents to Lekem agents at the Israeli embassy. Pollard was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Then In 1973 it killed an innocent Moroccan waiter Ahmed Bouchiki in Norway. The agency confused him as the leader of a Palestinian group ‘Black September’, which was responsible for the Munich massacre.

This was later known as the ‘Lillehammer affair’. The incident caused a diplomatic row with the Canadian government, as the six Mossad agents involved in the murder had used Canadian passports.

In 1975, Mossad arranged a secret meeting between the Israeli and Jordanian heads of state. It also arranged a second meeting in 1977. Mossad agents were sent to Uganda, to free 100 hostages held in a plane from Tel Aviv. The agency assisted in ‘Operation Moses’ in late 70’s. This operation was used to immigrate Jews from Ethiopia.

In 1980 Mossad agents killed Yahya al-Mashad, an Egyptian nuclear physicist. The agency provided vital information to the government about the Iraqi nuclear assets. This information was used in the air attacks on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. In the same year, the agency’s attempt to use British passports to infiltrate china created uproar in Britain.

The agency provided intelligence during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Mossad organized an attack on PLO headquarters in Tunisia that killed 56 Palestinian citizens. Mordechai Vanunu was kidnapped from Rome by the agency in September 1986. He was an Israeli citizen who informed western media about Israel’s covert nuclear program.

The agency failed to assassinate Saddam Hussein in 1991. It suffered several failures in 1997. Most notably the assassination attempt on Hamas leader, Sheikh Khaled Mashal. Israel had to release 70 Palestinian prisoners in order to save the life of Mossad agents involved in the affair.

Mossad helped Turkish intelligence kidnap the Kurdish separatist leader Abdullah Öcalan from Kenya in 1999.

In 2001, the agency warned CIA of Al-Qaeda’s plans but they not taken seriously. Two Mossad agents Eli Caram and Uriel Kelman tried to obtain New Zealand passports illegally in 2004. The New Zealand authorities apprehended the men, sentenced them to six months in prison and imposed diplomatic sanctions on Israel. The Israeli foreign Minister later apologized for the incident.

Israeli government asserted that the operation was an unauthorized deviation from its policy of not conducting espionage against the United States before an admission in 1998 of Israeli responsibility. In 1987 the Israeli government set up a commission to investigate the affair, which found it would be in Israel's interest to take responsibility for the case.

See also: Rafi Eitan

uss liberty 67?
invasion of palistine 53?
[edit] Directors of Mossad
Reuven Shiloah, 1949-1952
Isser Harel, 1952-1963
Meir Amit, 1963-1968
Zvi Zamir, 1968-1974
Yitzhak Hofi, 1974-1982
Nahum Admoni, 1982-1989
Shabtai Shavit, 1989-1996
Danny Yatom, 1996-1998
Efraim Halevy, 1998-2002
Meir Dagan, 2002-prese

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[edit on 12-8-2009 by Donny 4 million]

Originally posted by JJay55
Back to my topic. If you guys want to talk about McVeigh... start your own thread.
Why 911? Because Islamic terrorism picked that date. It has nothing to do with America, our choice of the date, or anything that we influenced. Islamic terrorism is influenced by Islam.
Research the Coptic Christian holiday, it will show clearly the patterns that will be used in the future.





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How bout this---
No crystal ball no camel bricking, no skinny moon. just a plain ole statement on Muslim terrorism.

Terrorism has peaked: ex-Mossad boss
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Daniel Flitton
The Age
April 8, 2008

THE one-time chief of Israel’s shadowy spy service Mossad believes the threat of global terrorism has passed its peak — a judgement at odds with warnings by US officials.




For a man who spent 32 years fighting terrorism linked to the world’s most intractable conflict, it is perhaps unexpected optimism. But Shabtai Shavit, Israel’s chief spy in the 1990s, says the blows dealt to al-Qaeda since the September 11 attacks have greatly disrupted Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network.

“The leadership of al-Qaeda is permanently on the run,” he said last week during a visit to Melbourne. “When you are fighting for your personal survival, you have less time and energy to invest in thinking, plotting, (or) planning for additional terrorist attacks. I think, personally, that global jihad is already beyond its zenith.”



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