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Nice to see a level-headed, unbiased commentary coming out of the right.
Don't you think that the Dems are looking for re-election at the end of this cycle? If every middle-class privately insured person gets screwed by this system, are they going to want to support Obama with their money and their votes?
As to providing medical care for those working poor who are going bankrupt if they get ill...where's that Christian ethic to love they neighbour? What about helping out a fellow American?
How come Canada has the wherewithal to do it, and the States can't? This apparently retarded unemployed pot-smoking hippie twit seems to think you American are better than all that. If only you could convince yourselves.
Originally posted by Erasurehead
To me the most outrageous part of this bill is in SEC. 1233. Mandatory “end of life” counseling for seniors to discourage seeking health care near the end of life. Too expensive to waste health care benefits on someone that is only going to be around a few years anyway.
Unbelievable.....Whats next, government run assisted suicide centers for seniors?
[edit on 7/22/2009 by Erasurehead]
Originally posted by mikerussellus
Canada can't do it. Well, I take that back, they can do it. If they don't provide medicine to people who need it and let people die.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by mikerussellus
Canada can't do it. Well, I take that back, they can do it. If they don't provide medicine to people who need it and let people die.
If you know as little about the American plan as you do about Canada's, I'd suggest you read up before you say anything more.
Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by marg6043
yes, it is understood that those who "aren't deserving" of HC will get it. but can you honestly sit there and say that our tax money which goes to so much other nonsense, mostly killing people... shouldn't be used to help others? even if a percentage of them happens to be unemployed or lazy or whatever they are accused of being?
there is more good than bad being done. those who try to argue that bad is being done have weak arguments that they recycle from other nonsense they have read somewhere on wikipedia or from another post. nobody has said anything original regarding the healthcare topic in a while. its more obama bashing than anything when (as someone already stated) it is a bill from previous administrations.
anyways healthcare is a bitch and if you dont have it you wouldn't be so adament in knocking the idea of helping people out. there is NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM CAN GET WORSE. it is in complete shambles. pharmeceutical companies run sh*t and insurance companies could give a crap less whether you die or not.
Originally posted by dannyfal
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by mikerussellus
Canada can't do it. Well, I take that back, they can do it. If they don't provide medicine to people who need it and let people die.
If you know as little about the American plan as you do about Canada's, I'd suggest you read up before you say anything more.
THANK YOU
i think its funny when people say something thinking they look smart when in fact they just do the opposite
Originally posted by dannyfal
i work for a living. i'm not a retard i have a pretty high IQ. i work but don't get healthcare.
if your employer all of a sudden stopped paying for your healthcare, you'd most likely tuck your ego between your legs and keep your mouth shut.
if you don't know what your talking about, you shouldn't say anything. its as simple as that.
sometimes i think some of these people don't even deserve to be members of ATS. all they do is spread hate and ignorance. they might as well join the government.
by the way, if i were your parents i would be the one that was ashamed
Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by Question
Oh, and if you think the government hasn't handed YOU anything.... your completely delusional. where do you think the schools, roads, post office, etc. come from?
there are better ways to express your opinion other than making yourself look like a fool
Originally posted by mikerussellus
There are people that don't have cars, do I have to PAY for them to drive as well? There are people that didn't eat steak last night, do I have to have the government take my money so someone who didn't work for it eat a nice dinner? Why do I have to get penalized because I worked for what I got? I have a great health plan. I worked my butt off to get it. You say it can't get worse?
If people need help then let them go to churches, charities, what ever. Hell, if someone needs help bad enough, I'll help them. But to have the government mandate that we HAVE to help those who won't do it themselves, it is disgusting!
Once this bill passes then all bets are off in terms of freedoms in this country. When we are told what to do, how to do it, when to do it, or we get fined/jailed or denied treatment then you will see the true face of what the government looks like!
-this makes me so damn sick! I need a doctor! I'll wait, 8 weeks? Ok. Denied treatment? Ok. I'm gonna die? Ok.-
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
Originally posted by mikerussellus
As to providing medical care for those working poor who are going bankrupt if they get ill...where's that Christian ethic to love they neighbour? What about helping out a fellow American?
Originally posted by Question
Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by Question
Oh, and if you think the government hasn't handed YOU anything.... your completely delusional. where do you think the schools, roads, post office, etc. come from?
there are better ways to express your opinion other than making yourself look like a fool
WE pay for those with our state and federal income taxes you t*it! Funny that you mention that though, because it doesn't seem like the govt. is doing a good job even at that in the first place!