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A state of the art Royal Navy destroyer is to enter service without its vital missile system working in a move branded "disgraceful" by a committee of MPs.
The new Type 45 destroyer will become operational without being able to fire its advanced Astor air defence missiles because of a series of failings by the Ministry of Defence, according to the Public Accounts Committee.
The destroyer, which has been suggested to provide air defence security during the 2012 Olympics
Originally posted by Vitchilo
Why are they so fast to put this destroyer to sea? Do they need it somewhere? North Korea, Iran... where? Otherwise this is just stupid and may results of deaths.... meaning those responsable will be responsable for death by negligence.
[edit on 23-6-2009 by Vitchilo]
Originally posted by Harlequin
theres a bit more to the `upgrade to the stealth F35` than meets the eye - although money is a factor right now - so is getting the engine the UK wants , and getting access to put the UK`s own weapons on it.
edit:
to the OP
please put the news source
[edit on 23/6/09 by Harlequin]
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
you know...we could sell you an aircraft carrier full of planes. how does that sound? they can hold about 70-something planes if i remember correctly. do we have a deal?
Originally posted by Harlequin
theres a bit more to the `upgrade to the stealth F35` than meets the eye - although money is a factor right now - so is getting the engine the UK wants , and getting access to put the UK`s own weapons on it.
edit:
to the OP
please put the news source
[edit on 23/6/09 by Harlequin]
Originally posted by john124
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
you know...we could sell you an aircraft carrier full of planes. how does that sound? they can hold about 70-something planes if i remember correctly. do we have a deal?
yes throw in a few F-22 raptors and maybe a B2 stealth please
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Originally posted by Harlequin
theres a bit more to the `upgrade to the stealth F35` than meets the eye - although money is a factor right now - so is getting the engine the UK wants , and getting access to put the UK`s own weapons on it.
edit:
to the OP
please put the news source
[edit on 23/6/09 by Harlequin]
Yeah I hear the F 35 is great at destroying the real threat that now comes from within our own boarders who go on tubes to blow people up. It seems all his stealth weaponry is just expensive toys, The uk is never gonna need these planes.
If theres a ww3 it'll be over in a week, wiping out most of the population with nukes. The money would be better spent on schools and hospitals if you ask me, not fancy weapons of war
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
Originally posted by john124
Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
you know...we could sell you an aircraft carrier full of planes. how does that sound? they can hold about 70-something planes if i remember correctly. do we have a deal?
yes throw in a few F-22 raptors and maybe a B2 stealth please
www.navy.mil...
hmmmm....have your lawyers call mine.
but in all seriousness
www.deagel.com...
the type 45 destroyer is apparently built for anti-air capabilities....which it now distinctly lacks. truly amazing
I don't know what to say... I mean it will be a sitting duck for christ sake! All that expensive hardware and it won't be able to shoot down whatever is attacking it from the air that is incoming at high speeds.
* Guns o 1 x BAE Systems 4.5 inch Mk 8 mod 1 gun. The Darings are designed to accommodate a 155 mm gun upgrade currently being studied by the RN.[13] o 2 x Oerlikon 30 mm KCB guns on single DS-30B mounts o Fitted 'for but not with' 2 x Phalanx 20 mm close-in weapons systems
* Anti-submarine o MFS 7000 sonar o The embarked Lynx HMA 8 helicopter or Merlin HM1 helicopter is capable of carrying Sting Ray torpedo. The Merlin HM1 helicopter is fitted with its own dipping sonar and carries sonobuoys.
The 4.5 inch Mark 8 naval gun has a Naval Gunfire Support (NGS) role. The proposed upgrade to a 155mm gun would increase range and explosive effect as well as giving commonality with Army 155mm guns in logistics and a possibility of a co-development of advanced ammunition for inter-service use in the future.[13]
* Aircraft o 1 Lynx HMA 8 helicopter - Sea Skua anti-ship missiles and Sting Ray torpedoes or 1 Merlin helicopter - Sting Ray torpedoes, dipping sonar and sonobuoys. o The flight deck of the Type 45 is big enough to accommodate aircraft up to the size of the Chinook.
It says it is a "disgrace" that the long-delayed HMS Daring, the first destroyer in the new class, will enter service this year "without a principal anti-air missile system (PAAMS) having been fired from the ship, and will not achieve full operational capability until 2011". The Commons public accounts committee says the new Type 45 destroyer has been the victim of serious mistakes including a "culture of over-optimism", "poor management arrangements" and "inappropriate commercial structures".
Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by john124
I don't know what to say... I mean it will be a sitting duck for christ sake! All that expensive hardware and it won't be able to shoot down whatever is attacking it from the air that is incoming at high speeds.
The 45 does have some other defenses:
Type 45 destroyer
Guns:
* Guns o 1 x BAE Systems 4.5 inch Mk 8 mod 1 gun. The Darings are designed to accommodate a 155 mm gun upgrade currently being studied by the RN.[13] o 2 x Oerlikon 30 mm KCB guns on single DS-30B mounts o Fitted 'for but not with' 2 x Phalanx 20 mm close-in weapons systems
Antisubmarine including torpedos:
* Anti-submarine o MFS 7000 sonar o The embarked Lynx HMA 8 helicopter or Merlin HM1 helicopter is capable of carrying Sting Ray torpedo. The Merlin HM1 helicopter is fitted with its own dipping sonar and carries sonobuoys.
Countermeasures:
The 4.5 inch Mark 8 naval gun has a Naval Gunfire Support (NGS) role. The proposed upgrade to a 155mm gun would increase range and explosive effect as well as giving commonality with Army 155mm guns in logistics and a possibility of a co-development of advanced ammunition for inter-service use in the future.[13]
Aircraft:
* Aircraft o 1 Lynx HMA 8 helicopter - Sea Skua anti-ship missiles and Sting Ray torpedoes or 1 Merlin helicopter - Sting Ray torpedoes, dipping sonar and sonobuoys. o The flight deck of the Type 45 is big enough to accommodate aircraft up to the size of the Chinook.
Missels could be loaded at sea at any time.
Irregardless, the lack of missels implies brainless political correctness!
[edit on 23/6/09 by plumranch]