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Originally posted by seagull
Call to prayer...
Church bells...
Both appeal to me. I've heard both, and neither bother me in the least. If a minister got on a bullhorn on Sunday morning and recited the Lords Prayer to attract worshipers, I wouldn't care...
They don't come pounding on my door to proselytize/witness.
Neither forces me to worship their God. When they try to force me to with the "sword", then I'll have an issue, not until.
American's are proud of our "live and let live" attitude towards other belief systems...it saddens me to see that maybe, just maybe, it's not quite as widespread as I thought.
Originally posted by Rook1545
Originally posted by KSPigpen
Yeah, I'm sorry, Mr. Quick to condemn my beliefs. Don't tell me who I should give praise to. How arrogant. I don't call my God Allah, jehosephat, simon or pickle monster. Don't tell me who I should sing praises to.
If you have that attitude, take your call to prayer out in the desert with you where the rest of us don't have to listen to it. I am perfectly FINE with you praying to whomever you choose, provided you don't force it on me. Then we have an issue.
It may very well be one god, and I have argued for that numerous times, but don't EVER think you have the right to tell me what I should call him, or how I should worship him.
If I have to listen to some RUBBISH telling me four or five times a day that there is nothing worthy of worship but ALLAH, I will barf and probably get a little anti social.
You're a laugh riot. You call someone else quick to condemn, yet you shoot off your mouth, spewing your own special brand of bigotry and inorance. The reason you don't call YOUR god Allah, is because YOU don't speak Arabic. If you did, even as a Christain, you would call him Allah.
It is your right to call it rubbish, but personally I hate having to listen to YOUR Christmas music. It is stupid and pointless. I hate hearing it in stores, I hate hearing it on the radio, I hate hearing it on commercials. YOUR music, celebrating YOUR religious beliefs, should be completely banned from being played in public.
See what I did there, I acted like you and got all holier than thou. It goes both ways.
Originally posted by Heatburger
I've got no problem with it. It's not forcing beliefs on me as many on here seem to think, it's simply portraying something significant to Muslims.
Church bells don't sway me to go to church, nor is the Call to Prayer going to suddenly convert me to Muslim. It's meaningless to me, but I feel it's something that should be accepted, because of the principles this country was based on.
For those citing no choice not to listen? We have no choice not to listen to church bells either...
America is not a Christian-only nation, we have a RIGHT here to worship God, Allah, whomever. One could form a religion worshipping the car they drive, and that's perfectly OK. We are not all Christians and at some point people have to get over that fact. Period.
Originally posted by habfan1968
While certain freedoms are allowed by the Constitution this is not one of them.
Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by Heatburger
Led Zeppelin is significant to me but I wouldn’t be allowed to play it five times a day at full volume.
Freedom of religion and tolerance doesn’t mean people have carte blanche to do as they please. Playing a call to prayer over a loud speaker does affect other people, as long as that is the case these people have a right to say no we don’t want it.
Originally posted by jackflap
To all those who think that this should be tolerated and accepted. Find out what the Muslim religion teaches about non believers. Then tell me that we in this country are held to a higher standard and should welcome this demonic cackling to reverberate through our towns. I believe we are being warmed up to our executioners in more ways then just this. This is no joke.
Originally posted by Jigore
I'm surrounded by church and I can hear their bell ringin all day. Even if im not christian, I do not care. So if a muezzin start singing, well Im not muslim and I do not care either.
As long as it's not a 5 in the morningm obviously...
I hate this double standard many people seems to have.
Originally posted by habfan1968
Just as a point of reference, the US was built by Christians and it was like this way before any other religious entities entered and started imposing their flawed belief systems on Americans and Canadians. Islamists, all of them radical or not will not be happy until our countries are crappy like their homelands.
Originally posted by jackflap
To all those who think that this should be tolerated and accepted. Find out what the Muslim religion teaches about non believers.
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by jackflap
To all those who think that this should be tolerated and accepted. Find out what the Muslim religion teaches about non believers.
Ok fair enough.
And what does the Bible say?
Leviticus 20 -9
"For whatsoever man there be that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."
So its ok to kill a child who cursed at their parents?
Lev 20-13
"And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Kill all homosexuals...
Theres plenty more read the book. Looks like both religions are equally abusive eh?
However, I am aware that modern Bible believers gladly discard this book and pretend it does not affect them.
Well why can't Muslims pretend the bad parts of their book no longer apply to them as well?
Think about it.
Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by Heatburger
Led Zeppelin is significant to me but I wouldn’t be allowed to play it five times a day at full volume.
Holy Cow! Why not....LOL....
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I would not like this anymore than I would like a Christian Preacher getting on a city wide speaker saying the Lord's Prayer. I bet hose who support this - would have issue with the Lord's Prayer being forced upon you to hear.
This is not equivalent to ringing bells. Bells are an instrument that makes musical type sounds. A religious prayer with words is (no matter the religion) can not be compared to musical sounds.
And I would find church bells annoying too. I also find it annoying when my neighbor blasts his annoying rap music.
This stuff should be kept inside and not forced upon EVERYONE to hear.
The city where I live there is a noise ordinance - meaning - you can not even drive your car down the road blasting your radio to the entire world to hear.
JMO.